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DirtySouthsider
01-06-2005, 03:30 PM
The Score just reported that the deal went through.

Mohoney
01-06-2005, 03:31 PM
George Offman reports a one year, $2.25 million deal for AJ.

The_Cheesiest_Idiot
01-06-2005, 03:31 PM
i was gonna post it. but decided to wait cause i can't spell his last name

quakeroats
01-06-2005, 03:31 PM
Not bad at all. More Ex Twins isn't that bad....

JUribe1989
01-06-2005, 03:31 PM
YES!!! I just heard it one ESPN 1000

bobj4400
01-06-2005, 03:31 PM
1 yr 2.5 mil

Flight #24
01-06-2005, 03:31 PM
At 1-yr, $2.25mil? No brainer. Now go get Iguchi.

JUribe1989
01-06-2005, 03:32 PM
1 year deal, perfect idea!

ChicagoHoosier
01-06-2005, 03:32 PM
Personally, I like it but need to see how he meshes with the other players.

I'm back on the bandwagon again. Just ordered my Minnie-9 package this morning.

Unregistered
01-06-2005, 03:33 PM
As per AM1000

EDIT: Post #300 on the "breaking news". :D:

VenturaFan23
01-06-2005, 03:33 PM
George Offman just broke in with the news.

Brian26
01-06-2005, 03:33 PM
Well, I like his bat. Hopefully he gets his head screwed on straight.

MushMouth
01-06-2005, 03:33 PM
At 1-yr, $2.25mil? No brainer. Now go get Iguchi.

Outstanding value

I'm quite happy with this offseason. Iguchi would be icing, but we've addressed what had to be addressed imo. We have a legit shot at the division and should be a fun team to watch all spring-summer.

Chek2002
01-06-2005, 03:34 PM
I like this signing, not bad.

HomeFish
01-06-2005, 03:34 PM
Holy ****.

Kenny, you did good. :bandance:

oeo
01-06-2005, 03:34 PM
WOOT!

:bandance: :supernana: :bandance:

TommyJohn
01-06-2005, 03:35 PM
I foresee a huge thread merge.

EDIT: Done while I was typing it. :tongue:

Rocky Soprano
01-06-2005, 03:35 PM
For the money, great pickup. As everyone is saying, I hope he has his head on straight!

Frater Perdurabo
01-06-2005, 03:35 PM
Three other threads have been started on the topic. Talk about everyone having loaded guns....

Anyway, I'm going to withhold judgment. His left-handed stick should prove useful in the #6 spot. Let's hope he plays adequate defense and manages the pitchers well.

frontrunner3
01-06-2005, 03:36 PM
Great move, especially at 2.25 mil. I hope A.J. has a chip on his shoulder everytime we play the twinks.

ja1022
01-06-2005, 03:37 PM
Originally I wasn't a big fan of the idea, but at that price he's worth the risk. We know Ozzie won't take any **** from him.

munchman33
01-06-2005, 03:37 PM
SWEET!!! I got a good feeling about this. :D:

JUribe1989
01-06-2005, 03:37 PM
I could see him defending his teammates in a fight, hopefully against the Twins!

Erik The Red
01-06-2005, 03:38 PM
If he can still swing Iguchi, this will be the best offseason in years. Hell, it's ALREADY the best offseason in years.

I can't wait for the people who were bashing the Lee trade to eat their words. We basically traded Lee for Podsednik, Vizcaino, AJ, El Duque, and possibly Iguchi. What more do these people want from KW?

ChicagoHoosier
01-06-2005, 03:38 PM
Three other threads have been started on the topic. Talk about everyone having loaded guns....

Anyway, I'm going to withhold judgment. His left-handed stick should prove useful in the #6 spot. Let's hope he plays adequate defense and manages the pitchers well.
Agree on the thread merge, which i see has already taken place. So guys, what's our batting order now? Not sure I see AJ in the #6 hole, but what do you think? Assuming Thomas is not playing the first two months?

ChiWhiteSox1337
01-06-2005, 03:39 PM
What a bargain!!!! This white sox team is looking to be the best one in years. :supernana:

Paxson93
01-06-2005, 03:39 PM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Thursday, January 6, 2005

WHITE SOX AGREE TO TERMS ON ONE-YEAR CONTRACT

WITH CATCHER A.J. PIERZYNSKI

CHICAGO - The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms on a one-year, $2.25

million contract with free agent catcher A.J. Pierzynski.

Pierzynski, 28, batted .272 (128-471) with 28 doubles, 11 home runs and 77

RBI with San Francisco in 2004, his only season with the Giants. His 77 RBI

ranked fifth among major-league catchers behind only Cleveland's Victor

Martinez (108), Detroit's Ivan Rodriguez (86), the Yankees Jorge Posada (81)

and Florida's Paul LoDuca (80).

"A.J. is one of the premier offensive catchers in the game and provides us

with another left-handed bat in the lineup," said Ken Williams, White Sox

general manager. "After speaking with A.J. a number of times during these

negotiations, I am confident his signing will make us a better baseball team."

Hangar18
01-06-2005, 03:40 PM
Hangars Assessment:
The Good: We filled a couple of Needs, one being a Bat in the lineup.
The Bad: Had any other team been interested, he wouldnt have "fallen"
to us like this, and we'd be heading into the Season with more Holes
than the previous Season. This was a move that shouldve been made
3 yrs ago.

Overall: Hangar Likes this move. We are a better team for this. As
for any "attitude" problems he may have, the Players and the Fans will
keep him in line.

OEO Magglio
01-06-2005, 03:41 PM
:bandance: :supernana: :bandance: :supernana: :bandance: :supernana:

Jerome
01-06-2005, 03:42 PM
Big improvement over what we had last year.

With the money and years involved, it is a no-risk situation. (Unless he really is a clubhouse cancer.)

If we got Iguchi that would be sweet!

Frater Perdurabo
01-06-2005, 03:42 PM
My projected lineup, assuming Frank returns:

Podsednik CF/LF
Rowand LF/CF
Frank DH
Konerko 1B
Dye RF
A.J. C
Uribe SS
Crede 3B
Harris 2B

MeanFish
01-06-2005, 03:43 PM
Agree on the thread merge, which i see has already taken place. So guys, what's our batting order now? Not sure I see AJ in the #6 hole, but what do you think? Assuming Thomas is not playing the first two months? I'll take a stab at this...

Podsednik
Rowand
Dye
Konerko
Everett
Uribe
Pierzynski
Crede
Harris

I've got Uribe above Pierzynski because on days where Everett is hitting lefty, it's important that we space out our left-handed bats.

Edit: of course, this is without Frank.

SSN721
01-06-2005, 03:43 PM
Awesome, still alittle skeptical on his defensive skills and clubhouse prescense, but overall, seems to be quite a steal for such a quality bat in a black hole position we had. I am pleased with the deal. Now go get Iguchi or Cora. :bandance:

JKryl
01-06-2005, 03:43 PM
FINALLY, I'm happy about the off season. Not perfect, but well done.

Frater Perdurabo
01-06-2005, 03:43 PM
Does this mean that either Burke or Davis is gone? Seems to me that Burke would be the odd man out since Davis can speak Spanish for Contreras and Hernandez.

anewman35
01-06-2005, 03:44 PM
Hangars Assessment:
The Good: We filled a couple of Needs, one being a Bat in the lineup.
The Bad: Had any other team been interested, he wouldnt have "fallen"
to us like this, and we'd be heading into the Season with more Holes
than the previous Season. This was a move that shouldve been made
3 yrs ago.

Come on! :whiner: You're complaining about what MIGHT have happened if other teams did things differently. Hanger, we DID sign him. We are NOT heading into the season with more holes than the previous season. How is this in the bad column?

Jjav829
01-06-2005, 03:44 PM
Agree on the thread merge, which i see has already taken place. So guys, what's our batting order now? Not sure I see AJ in the #6 hole, but what do you think? Assuming Thomas is not playing the first two months?
I'm not a big fan of this move, but I'll learn to like it.

I'd bat him 6th. You signed this guy because of his bat and the fact that he's a lefty. Move that lefty bat up in the order. It also depends on whether Iguchi signs.

Rocklive99
01-06-2005, 03:44 PM
UGH!

Average bat, no arm, and clubhouse cancer, way to go Kenny
I wanted Iguchi :(

Palehose13
01-06-2005, 03:44 PM
If he can still swing Iguchi, this will be the best offseason in years. Hell, it's ALREADY the best offseason in years.

I can't wait for the people who were bashing the Lee trade to eat their words. We basically traded Lee for Podsednik, Vizcaino, AJ, El Duque, and possibly Iguchi. What more do these people want from KW?
Wow. You can say that again. The Sox should be favorites to win the Central division this year.

I'm guessing there will be a very different vibe at SoxFest this year.

Good job Kenny! :bandance:

Nick@Nite
01-06-2005, 03:45 PM
Link (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_press_release.jsp?ymd=20050106&content_id=928270&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp)

anewman35
01-06-2005, 03:45 PM
UGH!

Average bat, no arm, and clubhouse cancer, way to go Kenny
I wanted Iguchi :(
An average bat is way more than we got out of catcher last year.

HomeFish
01-06-2005, 03:46 PM
UGH!

Average bat, no arm, and clubhouse cancer, way to go Kenny
I wanted Iguchi :(

As if Davis/Burke is better? It's not like we're dumping I-Rod for this.

hose
01-06-2005, 03:46 PM
I like the move.....YES.

If I learned to like Rodman when he was a Bull I'll learn to like AJ:o:

Flight #24
01-06-2005, 03:46 PM
I'll take a stab at this...

Podsednik
Rowand
Dye
Konerko
Everett
Uribe
Pierzynski
Crede
Harris

I've got Uribe above Pierzynski because on days where Everett is hitting lefty, it's important that we space out our left-handed bats.

Edit: of course, this is without Frank.
Get Iguchi, and plug in a solid OBP at the #2 slot (something that should translate decently since the strike zone is IIRC the same from Japan to the US). Then you go:

Pods
Iguchi
Frank/Rowand
Konerko
Dye
AJP
Rowand/Everett
Crede
Uribe

When Frank's out, bat ARow #3 and Carl later. When Frank's back, drop ARow to #7. Uribe only bats last because Crede could clog the bases for Pods.

Frater Perdurabo
01-06-2005, 03:46 PM
Hangars Assessment:

So now you refer to yourself in the 3rd person? :wink:

:gulp: :)

Baby Fisk
01-06-2005, 03:49 PM
This comforts me because the Sox once again have a notable "slavic" contingent (remembering the years of Kluszewski, Luzinski, etc.). :cheers:

(This is assuming that Pierzynski is not a total headcase.)

Tekijawa
01-06-2005, 03:50 PM
I like it... Succesful Off-season, Iguchi would be nice, but I like how everything has come together.

Ol' No. 2
01-06-2005, 03:50 PM
As nice as it will be to have a good LH bat in the lineup, I still have reservations about his ability to work with the pitchers. I guess we'll see. I'll be more than happy to be wrong.

Eddie Gaedel
01-06-2005, 03:52 PM
As nice as it will be to have a good LH bat in the lineup, I still have reservations about his ability to work with the pitchers. I guess we'll see. I'll be more than happy to be wrong.
i'll second that. pitchers have grumbled about the way he works. time will tell...

jabrch
01-06-2005, 03:52 PM
If I learned to like Rodman when he was a Bull I'll learn to like AJ:o:
My thoughts EXACTLY. I was going to post a Laimbeer/Rodman comparison. You beat me to it. I never liked him as a Twin, but I have a feeling I will learn to like AJ as a Sox.

jabrch
01-06-2005, 03:55 PM
Get Iguchi, and plug in a solid OBP at the #2 slot (something that should translate decently since the strike zone is IIRC the same from Japan to the US). Then you go:

Pods
Iguchi
Frank/Rowand
Konerko
Dye
AJP
Rowand/Everett
Crede
Uribe


Harris had a .343 obp last year Flight. How much better do you expect from Iguchi having never seen MLB pitching?

Flight #24
01-06-2005, 04:01 PM
Harris had a .343 obp last year Flight. How much better do you expect from Iguchi having never seen MLB pitching?
Dunno, but in Japan, he posted a couple of years at or above .400 (at least that's what I recall from the Iguchi thread). I'm hoping that that translates into something at least in the .360+range, possibly even in the .380 range, which would be awesome.

Relatively well protected between Pods & Frank (for most of the year), I'd think he could do that. But I really have no fatual basis for that other than his japanese stats.

Ol' No. 2
01-06-2005, 04:02 PM
Get Iguchi, and plug in a solid OBP at the #2 slot (something that should translate decently since the strike zone is IIRC the same from Japan to the US). Then you go:

Pods
Iguchi
Frank/Rowand
Konerko
Dye
AJP
Rowand/Everett
Crede
Uribe

When Frank's out, bat ARow #3 and Carl later. When Frank's back, drop ARow to #7. Uribe only bats last because Crede could clog the bases for Pods.I think I'd put Everett before Dye, if only to get the R-L-R-L-R thing going.

I don't want Crede hitting 9th no matter how low his BA goes. What's the point of having a fast guy at the top of the order if you preceed him with one of the slowest guys on the team?

Can Iguchi play SS? If not, the Sox still need a utility IF to backup at SS/3B.

Over By There
01-06-2005, 04:03 PM
Guys with double-digit-letter last names ending in -ski... yeah!! Forget appealing to the hispanic market, now we can go after Pols like me! :cool:

la chispa
01-06-2005, 04:04 PM
This can only help the Sox. Right?

DaveIsHere
01-06-2005, 04:04 PM
Guys with double-digit-letter last names ending in -ski... yeah!! Forget appealing to the hispanic market, now we can go after Pols like me! :cool:
Werd, My mom was Polish......now all we need is a Lithuanian on the team and we will be good to go!!!!

Nick@Nite
01-06-2005, 04:05 PM
I hope Ozzie tells A.J. to leave his deck of cards at home.

Other than that, Ben Davis is a better hitter from the left side, and now there's A.J.... I guess Ben will spend extra-time in the batting cage working on his hitting from the right side.

eshunn2001
01-06-2005, 04:06 PM
I actually do not like AJ's style at all. He is not really good defesivley he swings at everything (useually makes contact) . But for 2.25 MIL That is an awesome signing. That helps us out greatly. Good job KW

The_Cheesiest_Idiot
01-06-2005, 04:07 PM
there's more pols in chicago than there are in WARSAW!!!

mweflen
01-06-2005, 04:08 PM
i am shocked and overjoyed. not so much because of the player (yeah, some of his past comments/news stories are not encouraging), but because KW has actually done something to fill a position that's been a hole since... i dunno, the last half of 2000?

The RBIs that Pierzynski can bring to the table, added to Dye's, eases the Maggs/Carlos blow considerably. And our lineup now only has 2 black holes/question marks (Crede/Harris) which might still be helped by an Iguchi signing.

Hope!!! :wired:

hi8is
01-06-2005, 04:08 PM
Hangars Assessment:
The Good: We filled a couple of Needs, one being a Bat in the lineup.
The Bad: Had any other team been interested, he wouldnt have "fallen"
to us like this, and we'd be heading into the Season with more Holes
than the previous Season. This was a move that shouldve been made
3 yrs ago.

Overall: Hangar Likes this move. We are a better team for this. As
for any "attitude" problems he may have, the Players and the Fans will
keep him in line.[moderator edit]

Enjoy your vacation. It's permanent unless you want to plead your case to one of the moderators offline.

Meanwhile, scram.

The_Cheesiest_Idiot
01-06-2005, 04:09 PM
I won't be posting anymore. O MY!

Rocklive99
01-06-2005, 04:09 PM
Okay I overreacted a little, and after looking at stats the bat is a nice addition

but is anyone else but me worried about his arm? It's bad enough hearing Hawk yelling at our pitchers when to look back at baserunners. Not to mention how important a pitcher-catcher relationship is, and how there have been problems with him and guys like Mark?

Baby Fisk
01-06-2005, 04:10 PM
Guys with double-digit-letter last names ending in -ski... yeah!! Forget appealing to the hispanic market, now we can go after Pols like me! :cool:It's a fine balance! :cheers:

JoseCanseco6969
01-06-2005, 04:10 PM
Well I will chalk this up as a wonderful birthday gift from KW to me. Thanks KW for making my 22nd B-day even better!:D: now lets get drunk!:gulp:

DonkeyKongerko
01-06-2005, 04:10 PM
Good player, Great price!! :D:

Over By There
01-06-2005, 04:11 PM
:troll sniff... sniff... I think I smell the Roadhouse, with subtle undertones of a "time out."

mweflen
01-06-2005, 04:11 PM
For the record, i agree with Hangar18. This is not something that should have been left to a last gasp signing of a player whose value had depreciated due to rumor and innuendo. Catcher has been a gaping hole in our lineup for a long, long time.

Nonetheless, I'm happy to finally see it filled, and have high hopes for A.J.'s bat in the lineup.

Flight #24
01-06-2005, 04:12 PM
I think I'd put Everett before Dye, if only to get the R-L-R-L-R thing going.

I don't want Crede hitting 9th no matter how low his BA goes. What's the point of having a fast guy at the top of the order if you preceed him with one of the slowest guys on the team?

Can Iguchi play SS? If not, the Sox still need a utility IF to backup at SS/3B.
Looks like in Japan, he's had about 2700 PO+A at 2B & 1500 @ SS. Seems that he played SS from '97-2000 and 2B since.

Baby Fisk
01-06-2005, 04:12 PM
sniff... sniff... I think I smell the Roadhouse, with subtle undertones of a "time out."Yep, someone's lookin' for a hiatis.

The_Cheesiest_Idiot
01-06-2005, 04:14 PM
iguchi played SS till he hurt his shoulder then moved to 2b

bafiarocks03
01-06-2005, 04:16 PM
This is crap!! WE don't need another catcher!!!!!:angry:

NSSoxFan2
01-06-2005, 04:16 PM
I LOVE this deal. A.J. is going to be a big part of our team's success or failure. KW, although some people here despise him, does the best he can do with the money he is given to work with.:bandance: :bandance: :bandance: :bandance: :bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

Ol' No. 2
01-06-2005, 04:16 PM
Looks like in Japan, he's had about 2700 PO+A at 2B & 1500 @ SS. Seems that he played SS from '97-2000 and 2B since.Any of those 1500 at SS recent? Or are they early in his career? If he can play SS, then Willie can, in effect, become the utility guy (they move Iguchi over and put Willie at 2B). If not, then they still need a backup. Maybe Valdez still makes the team, which pretty much guarantees only 11 pitchers and only 2 catchers.

NSSoxFan2
01-06-2005, 04:18 PM
This is crap!! WE don't need another catcher!!!!!:angry:
Um, lemme see here. Alright, look at our catching situation before this deal. Davis and Burke. Ben Davis will never hit above .250 as a full time catcher, ever. Jamie Burke isn't really a major league catcher right now. A.J. led the majors in RBI's for catchers last year, and he is a left handed bat.

SO, how is this crap, and how did we not need to fill the catcher position?

Flight #24
01-06-2005, 04:19 PM
Any of those 1500 at SS recent? Or are they early in his career? If he can play SS, then Willie can, in effect, become the utility guy (they move Iguchi over and put Willie at 2B). If not, then they still need a backup. Maybe Valdez still makes the team, which pretty much guarantees only 11 pitchers and only 2 catchers.
Doesn't look like it. As mentionedabove, looks liek the shoulder's prevented him from playing SS. But who knows, maybe if signed they can give him a bit o'time there. Just enough to be serviceable.

Hangar18
01-06-2005, 04:19 PM
Come on! :whiner: You're complaining about what MIGHT have happened if other teams did things differently. Hanger, we DID sign him. We are NOT heading into the season with more holes than the previous season. How is this in the bad column?
ok, im slightly complaining, we got away with it this time.
BUT YES, Im happy with this move, anything that helps OFFSET the
offseason offensive losses helps ........ I hope he works out with the pitching:D: now SIGN IGUCHI

FightingBillini
01-06-2005, 04:19 PM
For the record, i agree with Hangar18. This is not something that should have been left to a last gasp signing of a player whose value had depreciated due to rumor and innuendo. Catcher has been a gaping hole in our lineup for a long, long time.

Nonetheless, I'm happy to finally see it filled, and have high hopes for A.J.'s bat in the lineup.
I agree. But there are no better catchers available. Should KW have called Queerzinski and offered him whatever he wanted? Hell no. You gotta play hardball. I think this is more of a risk/potential signing for KW. He knows that AJ will hit considerably better than Davis/Burke no matter what, but he might end up blowing up the clubhouse. There is a possibility that he may not perform good, and may start fights with teammates. There is also a very likely possibility that he has an allstar season in '05. You have to consider the risks with the possible benefits. Im sure KW went into this thinking "he will improve the team, but he isnt a susperstar. If we dont get him cheap, no big deal". The same with Loaiza in '03. Im sure KW thought in the back of his head he had the stuff to possibly win 21 games, but he wasnt going to offer him the gauranteed money a 20 game winner generally makes.

Nick@Nite
01-06-2005, 04:20 PM
but is anyone else but me worried about his arm? It's bad enough hearing Hawk yelling at our pitchers when to look back at baserunners. Not to mention how important a pitcher-catcher relationship is, and how there have been problems with him and guys like Mark?I'm also a little worried about his supposed bad-attitude-rep. Last season, I heard him being interviewed on the radio by Jim Rome, who went right at him asking about the 'playing cards instead of going over hitters with his pitchers' spat. I don't remember exactly what A.J. said, but I remember him coming across as pretty articulate while defending himself (for what that is worth).

It'll be up to Ozzie to ensure everyone in the clubhouse understands that A.J.'s slate starts out clean, so to speak.

Rocky Soprano
01-06-2005, 04:20 PM
This is crap!! WE don't need another catcher!!!!!:angry:You're right, we should of found a way to get D'Angelo back

Over By There
01-06-2005, 04:21 PM
Um, lemme see here. Alright, look at our catching situation before this deal. Davis and Burke. Ben Davis will never hit above .250 as a full time catcher, ever. Jamie Burke isn't really a major league catcher right now. A.J. led the majors in RBI's for catchers last year, and he is a left handed bat.

SO, how is this crap, and how did we not need to fill the catcher position?
Don't bother reasoning - she probably just has a crush on Ben or Jamie and doesn't want them to leave like beloved D'Angelo and Miguel.

IronFisk
01-06-2005, 04:23 PM
This is crap!! WE don't need another catcher!!!!!:angry:
:dtroll:

Palehose13
01-06-2005, 04:23 PM
This is crap!! WE don't need another catcher!!!!!:angry:
You're right, we didn't need another catcher...we actually needed A catcher.

Baby Fisk
01-06-2005, 04:23 PM
SO, how is this crap, and how did we not need to fill the catcher position?I think she meant to say: "We need another cute young catcher!!!!!!!!!!!"

mweflen
01-06-2005, 04:23 PM
I agree. But there are no better catchers available.
The point is, that better catchers have been available at various times in the past 4 seasons via free agency. It's nice that KW has finally filled the hole at a relative bargain price, but it would have been nicer over the past 4 seasons to have it filled by an even better player, albeit at a higher price. (((I-Rod, anyone?)))

anewman35
01-06-2005, 04:25 PM
The point is, that better catchers have been available at various times in the past 4 seasons via free agency. It's nice that KW has finally filled the hole at a relative bargain price, but it would have been nicer over the past 4 seasons to have it filled by an even better player, albeit at a higher price. (((I-Rod, anyone?)))
You're right. We should complain any time the White Sox don't sign the best player available at a certian position. They're a major league baseball team, they can afford it. If the Yankees can have a $200 million payroll, so can we!

DaveIsHere
01-06-2005, 04:26 PM
So what do yall think, keep Burke as the backup or Davis? I pick Burke


Maybe we can keep Davis on as a DH while Frank is out

Flight #24
01-06-2005, 04:26 PM
The point is, that better catchers have been available at various times in the past 4 seasons via free agency. It's nice that KW has finally filled the hole at a relative bargain price, but it would have been nicer over the past 4 seasons to have it filled by an even better player, albeit at a higher price. (((I-Rod, anyone?)))
C'mon, until this offseason we had future all-star Miguel Olivo! In all seriousness, at the time, Miggy was considered enough of a talent that you'd want to focus resources in other areas.

AJ was an all-star in 2002. In USCF, he'll probably hit .300+ with 15-20HR. That turns an offensive weak spot into a strength, and at a great price. And I'll bet that between Ozzie & KW they are fairly certain that he'll work better with pitchers and in the clubhouse than the rumors out of SF.

Risk
01-06-2005, 04:26 PM
Good move, Kenny.:gulp: :bandance:

Now we have another lefty in the line-up who swings a good stick, with the added bonus of filling an obvious hole at catcher.

Like an earlier poster said, if they could learn to like Rodman with the Bulls, then I think I can learn to like A.J. (sorry, don't want to even try spelling that last name) as long as he helps the Sox win more games.

Now Kenny, go get Iguchi

Risk (aka Mr. Happy):D:

HomeFish
01-06-2005, 04:28 PM
In celebration, I have ordered Chinese food.

Mickster
01-06-2005, 04:28 PM
Clubhouse cancer aside, this is a great move, fills a hole and adds a LH stick. Why complain?

cburns
01-06-2005, 04:29 PM
I can't believe the transformation this team has made in ONE offseason....the starting lineup/pitching staff from last year to this year is a HUGE turnaround, hopefully for the good...but man...when KW decides to do something, he really does it.

SoxFan78
01-06-2005, 04:30 PM
Clubhouse cancer aside, this is a great move, fills a hole and adds a LH stick. Why complain?
Why Complain? Because this is whitesoxinteractive.com! We would find some way to complain if the White Sox went all the way...

brewcrew/chisox
01-06-2005, 04:31 PM
I expect him to hit .400 against the Twins next year, and I antcipate at least one fight with Toriiiiiii. I can imagine it now as Hunter is battng, "So I hear you are from the hood? Pine Bluff, Arkansas? Yeah, you were harded by waiting at the mall for your mom to pick you and your friends up and take you to Dairy Queen. You's a thug alright, playa."
:supernana: :supernana:


LOL

This season, let's see if Hunter tries that BS he pulled with Burke last year. I assure you that if Hunter tries to go out of his way to mow down AJ, he will get a face full of forearm.

DaveIsHere
01-06-2005, 04:33 PM
LOL

This season, let's see if Hunter tries that BS he pulled with Burke last year. I assure you that if Hunter tries to go out of his way to mow down AJ, he will get a face full of forearm.
I am lookinig forward to that, yes I am drooling

daveeym
01-06-2005, 04:33 PM
Why Complain? Because this is whitesoxinteractive.com! We would find some way to complain if the White Sox went all the way... Dang it all those years without a championship and the sox go and sweep in the world series. I got screwed out of 2 world series tix.

mweflen
01-06-2005, 04:34 PM
C'mon, until this offseason we had future all-star Miguel Olivo! In all seriousness, at the time, Miggy was considered enough of a talent that you'd want to focus resources in other areas.

AJ was an all-star in 2002. In USCF, he'll probably hit .300+ with 15-20HR. That turns an offensive weak spot into a strength, and at a great price. And I'll bet that between Ozzie & KW they are fairly certain that he'll work better with pitchers and in the clubhouse than the rumors out of SF. I'm happy with the move. I just can't help thinking what difference a .290 hitter with 70-odd RBI could have made in 2001-2004. File it under "better late than never."

hold2dibber
01-06-2005, 04:36 PM
Couple of thoughts. First, I'm hopeful that AJ will realize that his "clubhouse cancer" rep probably cost him millions of dollars this offseason and that he's determined to lose the label and earn himself a big contract next year - in fact, I'm guessing the reason it's a one year deal is that AJ wants a chance to redeem himself in the market. I think he'll work extra hard and be on best behavior. And while the Sox have lost some bop from last year's team, by adding another above-average (lefty!) stick (to replace the horrible bats of the Davis/Burke platoon), the offense becomes more balanced and (hopefully) consistent. And that was the point this offseason. I don't know if KW's plan will work, but I have to give him props for doing a pretty good job of executing the plan he laid out.

Tekijawa
01-06-2005, 04:36 PM
.326 Career Hitter at Comiskey and that's before it became a wind tunnel... He's slow (26 GIDP's Last year) so I really don't want him batting anywhere near Konerko but I feel a lot better with him at the plate than Davis or Burke... I'm sure our staff can learn to work with him, Kenny can get him a Tivo for the Twins games so he can watch tape with the pitchers this year.

BigHurt09
01-06-2005, 04:36 PM
this is a great offseason top 3 in the whole league so far behind yankees and seatle

A. Cavatica
01-06-2005, 04:37 PM
Heck, he'll get along GREAT with the pitchers since none of them speak English and A. J. doesn't speak Spanish.
:bandance:

jenmcm76
01-06-2005, 04:37 PM
So what do yall think, keep Burke as the backup or Davis? I pick Burke
My first thought was that Burke's on the way out, since he's getting up there in years (he'll be about 33.5 when the season starts) and has yet to appear in 100 major league games TOTAL for his career. Davis, on the other hand, while not all that great offensively, has played in close to 500 pro games, and has the upside of being about 5 and a half years younger than Burke (plus, he's a hottie for all the teenyboppers out there). But Burke can also play 1B, 3B and RF... Whaddya all think?

Erik The Red
01-06-2005, 04:37 PM
...And I'll bet that between Ozzie & KW they are fairly certain that he'll work better with pitchers and in the clubhouse than the rumors out of SF. Exactly. If they believed differently, we would have passed on him.

mweflen
01-06-2005, 04:39 PM
Heck, he'll get along GREAT with the pitchers since none of them speak English and A. J. doesn't speak Spanish.
:bandance:
Does Garland speak english? Oh wait, he speaks "dude." :smile:

hold2dibber
01-06-2005, 04:40 PM
My first thought was that Burke's on the way out, since he's getting up there in years (he'll be about 33.5 when the season starts) and has yet to appear in 100 major league games TOTAL for his career. Davis, on the other hand, while not all that great offensively, has played in close to 500 pro games, and has the upside of being about 5 and a half years younger than Burke (plus, he's a hottie for all the teenyboppers out there). But Burke can also play 1B, 3B and RF... Whaddya all think?
Burke's gone. They just signed Davis for $1 million and, as you note, he's younger and considered to have potential. Burke is a career minor leaguer/journey man. Not sure if Burke has options left - if he does, I wouldn't mind seeing him in AAA.

PaleHoseGeorge
01-06-2005, 04:40 PM
I like the fact he is left-handed, and I'm glad he is back in the A.L. Central Division because he clearly knows quite a bit about the hitters our newly-improved pitching staff will be facing.

I just hope he can play 140+ games. When A.J. sits, we figure to have an absymal hole in the bottom of our line up.
:mad:

I know two undeserving guys who ought to be taking their girlfriends out for steak tonight.

:weewillie :crede
"We kept our everyday jobs!"

Baby Fisk
01-06-2005, 04:41 PM
If you think I am questioning his sexuality or attempting to insult others, then you need to get a clue. Peirzynski is a difficult name to spell. It is a strange name, almost queer? I suggest that name so the spelling police wouldnt jump down someone's throat everytime they talk about our new catcher.
GMAFBWhy not just call him A.J.?

jenmcm76
01-06-2005, 04:43 PM
queer http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3 Fr%3D2%26q%3Dqueer) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (kwîr)
adj. queer·er, queer·est


Deviating from the expected or normal; strange: a queer situation.
Odd or unconventional, as in behavior; eccentric. See Synonyms at strange (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=strange).
Of a questionable nature or character; suspicious.
Slang. Fake; counterfeit.
Feeling slightly ill; queasy.
Yeah, its really demeaning to call someone strange or "of a questionable nature". If you think I am questioning his sexuality or attempting to insult others, then you need to get a clue. Peirzynski is a difficult name to spell. It is a strange name, almost queer? I suggest that name so the spelling police wouldnt jump down someone's throat everytime they talk about our new catcher.
*****

AJ... yep - real hard to spell.....
(I don't want to GYAFB - you opened up that can of worms!)

Baby Fisk
01-06-2005, 04:44 PM
Because then he sounds like a Backstreet Boy:cool:
Yeah... that would be really queer.

CWSGuy406
01-06-2005, 04:45 PM
.326 Career Hitter at Comiskey and that's before it became a wind tunnel... He's slow (26 GIDP's Last year) so I really don't want him batting anywhere near Konerko but I feel a lot better with him at the plate than Davis or Burke... I'm sure our staff can learn to work with him, Kenny can get him a Tivo for the Twins games so he can watch tape with the pitchers this year.
Sorry, but that's kind of a poor assessment.

While Pierz had a lot of GIDP's last year, he also had a lot more chances with a runner on first, with Bonds getting on six out of every ten times at the plate...

ma-gaga
01-06-2005, 04:46 PM
I just hope he can play 140+ games. When A.J. sits, we figure to have an absymal hole in the bottom of our line up.
Well, he should be able to, he's young enough and he's been durable. Gawd this deal pisses me off.

ma-gaga
01-06-2005, 04:49 PM
oh yeah... because I know this is coming. AJ has started out slowly the last 3 years. His April/May stats are terrible. He really hits well in June and July, but he's been a notoriously slow starter.

jabrch
01-06-2005, 04:50 PM
We sign a catcher for 2.25mm who is a career .294/.336/.348 hitter and people bitch about it. I'm amused.

Rocky Soprano
01-06-2005, 04:51 PM
Does Garland speak english? Oh wait, he speaks "dude." :smile:
HAHAHA!

Good one.

JUribe1989
01-06-2005, 04:51 PM
We sign a catcher for 2.25mm who is a career .294/.336/.348 hitter and people bitch about it. I'm amused.
Very amused, dont know why people are complaining

chisox77
01-06-2005, 04:52 PM
Signing A.J. for a one-year deal is a good, smart move.

Solid offseason for the White Sox. I may go with the 13-game plan now, and acquire a beautiful new set of green seats for me and my friends. See you all on the third base/left field side, about 20-30 rows from the field. Let's see, I'll have an Italian Beef, a slice of pizza, cold draft beer, and a wedge of funnel cake (churros in later innings!).

Go Sox!

ma-gaga
01-06-2005, 04:53 PM
Would you rather have had Davis/Burke the whole year?I'm a Twins fan.

This deal pisses me off, because it's a freaking steal for the W.Sox. :angry: AJ is one of my favorite players. You'll like him a lot. He's well spoken and he walks the walk.

FarWestChicago
01-06-2005, 04:54 PM
I'm a Twins fan.

This deal pisses me off, because it's a freaking steal for the W.Sox. :angry: AJ is one of my favorite players. You'll like him a lot. He's well spoken and he walks the walk.I was cracking up when it was obvious some didn't understand why you are angered. http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/redneck.gif

longshot7
01-06-2005, 04:54 PM
My theory is as follows:

Queerzinski (yes, I will continue calling him that) went back to the Twins to get a job as a backup to Mauer. Thats why it took him so long to decide. They told him to go fist himself. Out of sheer anger and hostility, he changed colors and joined the Sox.
I agree with Valen. Keep your slurs to yourself please, intentions or not.

hold2dibber
01-06-2005, 04:55 PM
Would you rather have had Davis/Burke the whole year?
I believe ma-gaga is a Twins fan - if he's pissed off about it, that means its because he thinks its good for us.

anewman35
01-06-2005, 04:58 PM
Ooh, I hadn't realized this:

Pierzynski is not eligible for free agency until after the 2006 season, so he could end up staying in Chicago for two years.
Just makes me like the deal even more.

JUribe1989
01-06-2005, 04:58 PM
We can just let him go after 1 year if he doesn't perform so it is a great deal to me.

PaleHoseGeorge
01-06-2005, 04:58 PM
I'm a Twins fan.

This deal pisses me off, because it's a freaking steal for the W.Sox. :angry: AJ is one of my favorite players. You'll like him a lot. He's well spoken and he walks the walk.
Hey Ma, how long do you think we'll have to wait before some overconfident Sox Fan posts assurances that FINALLY the Central Division crown is the Sox to lose?
:wink:

Bullwinkle: "Nothing up my sleeve..."
Rocky: "But that trick NEVER works!"

:)

BridgePortNative
01-06-2005, 04:59 PM
The RBIs that Pierzynski can bring to the table, added to Dye's, eases the Maggs/Carlos blow considerably. And our lineup now only has 2 black holes/question marks (Crede/Harris) which might still be helped by an Iguchi signing.

Hope!!! :wired:Why do you think Harris is a question mark? Last year he has proven himself to be a major league caliber player. He was great defensively at 2nd and his hitting wasn't terrible. This season he could learn a few things from Scotty P. , then you wouldn't be calling him a question mark. :cool:

FarWestChicago
01-06-2005, 05:00 PM
Hey Ma, how long do you think we'll have to wait before some overconfident Sox Fan posts assurances that FINALLY the Central Division crown is the Sox to lose?
:wink:Oh I'm sure one of the Depressives can manage a Manic swing. http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Joel Perez
01-06-2005, 05:01 PM
You can never have too much of anything. Way to go Kenny! :gulp: A Shiner Bock big gulp to ya!

Wonder if this is Kenny's encore, or if this is it for the offseason...don't know if Iguchi will sign or not, seeing on what I read here at WSI. Still...:bandance: :bandance: :bandance: I'm dancing at work right now!!!

BigHurt09
01-06-2005, 05:01 PM
i think its a top 3 offseason so far out of the whole major league

mweflen
01-06-2005, 05:04 PM
Why do you think Harris is a question mark? Last year he has proven himself to be a major league caliber player. He was great defensively at 2nd and his hitting wasn't terrible. This season he could learn a few things from Scotty P. , then you wouldn't be calling him a question mark. :cool:
Harris showed improvement last year, no doubt. But he's far from a starting player on a team with legitimate hopes of contending. As it stands, he's a mediocre hitter, a pretty good fielder, and a headcase on the basepaths. If we can upgrade him, I say go for it. Your very statement that he needs to "learn something" from Pods shows that he is still indeed a question mark.

Maximo
01-06-2005, 05:04 PM
I can't believe the transformation this team has made in ONE offseason....the starting lineup/pitching staff from last year to this year is a HUGE turnaround, hopefully for the good...but man...when KW decides to do something, he really does it.
Most importantly, with the recent additions, the "heart and soul" of this team is beginning to change. In all honesty, I don't remember any heart and soul with the Sox for a long, long time.

Eckstein would have made this complete. Since he's no longer an option, I'd be happy with Iguchi.

At least this off season bears the resemblance of a plan. That's a helluva lot better than 12 months ago.

Slats
01-06-2005, 05:05 PM
Does this mean we finally get a pierogi vendor?

BridgePortNative
01-06-2005, 05:07 PM
Harris showed improvement last year, no doubt. But he's far from a starting player on a team with legitimate hopes of contending. As it stands, he's a mediocre hitter, a pretty good fielder, and a headcase on the basepaths. If we can upgrade him, I say go for it. Your very statement that he needs to "learn something" from Pods shows that he is still indeed a question mark.
Good Point.

Nick@Nite
01-06-2005, 05:07 PM
I like his ability to consistently make contact at the plate last year was pretty good...

A.J. Pierzynski Stats (http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/sf/stats/sf_individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=150229)

The SO's to AB's ratio isn't eye-popping and he can't take a pitch (few BB's), but it's still pretty good stats considering where the Sox were at C prior to today.

Lip Man 1
01-06-2005, 05:09 PM
For what it's worth:

From the AP story on the signing:

"Pierzynski has gotten a bad rap in both leagues, irritating umpires, coaches, opposing hitters and even his own teammates at times. In May, Pierzynski was on the defensive after three pitchers anonymously criticized his work ethic and claimed he was bad-mouthing Giants' hitters to opponents while behind the plate.

"Is the bad blood over? Yeah," he said at the time. "I take pride in my team. I want my teammates to respect me."

Twins manager Ron Gardenhire came to his defense, saying the Giants just needed to get to know their new catcher. San Francisco manager Felipe Alou was unwavering in his support of Pierzynski, and he seemed to fit in as the season went on."

Now to somehow get a second baseman and send Harris back to the bench or better yet triple A.

Lip

Vernam
01-06-2005, 05:09 PM
Hangars Assessment:
The Good: We filled a couple of Needs, one being a Bat in the lineup.
The Bad: Had any other team been interested, he wouldnt have "fallen"
to us like this, and we'd be heading into the Season with more Holes
than the previous Season.I wouldn't argue with you, Hangar, but according to this logic, anyone who signs with the Sox is, by definition, damaged goods. It actually makes a lot of sense! Just depressing . . . :wink:

I like the theory that AJ's going to kick some Twin's a** next time there's a brawl. Wonder whether Hunter's going to try running him over!

VC

Chisox003
01-06-2005, 05:10 PM
I just heard this now and well...... :supernana:.......

Great signing, but to add the exclamation !! on to it and prove the AJ haters who question his "defense" wrong, heres a little something about our "would have been" starting catcher.... "Pitchers posted a 5.15 ERA with Davis catching for the White Sox, as he threw out 22 percent (9-for-41) of attempted baserunners with his new team and 24.4 percent (11-for-45) overall between Seattle and Chicago. The White Sox finished 20-21 in his starts." WhiteSox.com

Oh and this...."His average reached .257 on Aug. 19, but Davis hit just .148 over his final 26 games -- including an 0-for-25 stretch from Sept. 14-29." Ok, so he started out hot, but deep down we all knew this was the biggest ben got....

Welcome AJ!!

SoxBoy14
01-06-2005, 05:13 PM
Thank goodness the Sox have a catcher again! A.J. Pierzynski is tougher and better than Burke, he's also an intimidator, nothings wrong with alittle bitterness. Good move by Williams to replace Olivio.

eshunn2001
01-06-2005, 05:18 PM
(plus, he's a hottie for all the teenyboppers out there). But Burke can also play 1B, 3B and RF... Whaddya all think?
Oh boy, If we start keeping guys around here because they are Hott I am out of here.

SoxBoy14
01-06-2005, 05:19 PM
I'm liking the new addition to the team, he's better in my opinion that Ben Davis or Burke.

Iwritecode
01-06-2005, 05:20 PM
Well, he should be able to, he's young enough and he's been durable. Gawd this deal pisses me off.
Well if your upset then it must be a good deal. :D:

Palehose13
01-06-2005, 05:29 PM
For those of you who felt that A.J. had no other choice but Chicago, from whitesox.com:

Pierzynski picked the White Sox over reported interest from Los Angeles, Texas and Toronto.

zach074
01-06-2005, 05:31 PM
It is only good in my opinion if he produces and if he keeps his head on straight, if he dosent do both its a waste of the money.

HebrewHammer
01-06-2005, 05:33 PM
If we add the Japanese 2B, where would this rank in terms of off-seasons? Wouldn't this have to be one of our better ones? If not our best? Either way, I'm starting to get excited about this club, we needed a tough guy/gamer type. If AJ was catching in the Torii Hunter game there is no way he gets tossed around like Jamie did.


:bandance: :bandance: :supernana: :bandance: :bandance: :gulp: :gulp:

CHISOXFAN13
01-06-2005, 05:34 PM
It is only good in my opinion if he produces and if he keeps his head on straight, if he dosent do both its a waste of the money.

That would pretty much be the case with anyone you sign.

JUribe1989
01-06-2005, 05:35 PM
For those of you who felt that A.J. had no other choice but Chicago, from whitesox.com:Texas has a pretty good amount of money this offseason and LA has been a big roller this offseason. I'm surprised, but maybe he just wants to get back at the Twins for trading him. I sure hope so.

FedEx227
01-06-2005, 05:39 PM
I love this deal, AJ is a solid player, who'll finally give us some what of a mean streak, something we no doubt lacked last year. The game where Hunter ran over Burke (which many consider the turning point of the year) would've been much different with AJ, I doubt Hunter would've walked back to the dugout untouched...

I love this, we get some solid hitting at the Catcher spot, Ben wasn't a great hitter, and Burke couldn't throw the ball..AT ALL. Great deal by KW, getting Pods, AJ, El Duque, Taguchi for Carlos Lee is solid.


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sti3
01-06-2005, 05:39 PM
For those of you who felt that A.J. had no other choice but Chicago, from whitesox.com: I think a big part is he wanted to stick it to his old team.

We sign a catcher for 2.25mm who is a career .294/.336/.348 hitter and people bitch about it. I'm amused.You didn't really need to throw in that anemic slugging percentage did you? Granted he played most of his career in the humpdome... Actually at Sox Park they were pretty sick.

uribeisgod5
01-06-2005, 05:40 PM
HELL YA, i am a very excited person, this was a great addition, it filled the second biggest hole on the team....now if we could just get a third baseman....

JackParkman
01-06-2005, 05:44 PM
Apologies if this is already posted.

White Sox agree to one-year deal with Pierzynski}
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CHICAGO (AP) — The Chicago White Sox got the veteran catcher they’ve been lacking Thursday, agreeing to a $2.25 million, one-year deal with A.J. Pierzynski.
Pierzynski is one of the better offensive catchers in the league, a career .294 hitter who has batted above .300 twice and was an All-Star in 2003. Over the last four years, he ranks second among all catchers with 127 doubles, third with a .293 average and seventh with a .438 slugging percentage.
Pierzynski’s numbers took a dip last year, after he was traded to the San Francisco Giants from the Minnesota Twins in the offseason. Though he had a career-high 77 RBIs and tied his career best with 11 homers, his .272 average was his lowest in four full seasons in the majors. His slugging (.410) and on-base (.319) percentages also were lows.
He had a .999 fielding percentage, and threw out 15 baserunners. He has a .994 career fielding percentage.
The Giants put Pierzynski on waivers last month after signing Mike Matheny. But Giants general manager Brian Sabean praised Pierzynski, saying the catcher had done his job “under difficult circumstances.”
Pierzynski has gotten a bad rap in both leagues, irritating umpires, coaches, opposing hitters and even his own teammates at times. In May, Pierzynski was on the defensive after three pitchers anonymously criticized his work ethic and claimed he was bad-mouthing Giants’ hitters to opponents while behind the plate.
“Is the bad blood over? Yeah,” he said at the time. “I take pride in my team. I want my teammates to respect me.”
Twins manager Ron Gardenhire came to his defense, saying the Giants just needed to get to know their new catcher. San Francisco manager Felipe Alou was unwavering in his support of Pierzynski, and he seemed to fit in as the season went on.
Pierzynski is not eligible for free agency until after the 2006 season, so he could end up staying in Chicago for two years.

EMel9281
01-06-2005, 05:46 PM
Okay, so now that we can end the spectulation about AJ, we can beg the next question?

Who goes?

Burke or Davis?

Or do we carry 3 catchers again?

Personally, I say cut Davis. Let him start the year in AAA, or trade him for whatever you can get, i.e. a case of Gatorade and a bat boy to be named later (Name that reference and I'll send you $64).

anewman35
01-06-2005, 05:47 PM
For those of you who felt that A.J. had no other choice but Chicago, from whitesox.com:
That can't be right! Nobody would EVER sign here unless they had no other choice! All the players hate JR SO much!

California Sox
01-06-2005, 05:48 PM
Burke's gone. They just signed Davis for $1 million and, as you note, he's younger and considered to have potential. Burke is a career minor leaguer/journey man. Not sure if Burke has options left - if he does, I wouldn't mind seeing him in AAA.
Not necessarily. Davis is a much better hitter left-handed. (At least in 2004. A .463 OPS versus LH pitching is not going to cut it. He's been better than that in the past.) There are going to be quite a few ABs to be had right-handed as the Sox are more likely to rest AJ versus southpaws. I predict both Davis and Burke will go to camp and try to suck up to Buerhle who seems to like having his own personal catcher.

FedEx227
01-06-2005, 05:51 PM
we gotta hold onto Big Ben just for the Garcia-Davis hookup...

I liked Burke, but hes not a major league catcher, maybe with some fine tuning, but like it was previously said hes getting old.

EvilJester99
01-06-2005, 05:52 PM
I believe AJ will also be Arb. eligible in 2006 so the Sox could actually have him for 2 years....if he performs I am sure they will probably give him an extension by the year is over anyway...JMO

zach074
01-06-2005, 05:53 PM
.I love the name! How come the sox are always bad in baseball movies?

kittle42
01-06-2005, 05:53 PM
That's a stretch... so if I called him Gay. J. Pierzynski you would automatically assume I was saying he's a happy guy?
Yes.

Unregistered
01-06-2005, 05:53 PM
I think a big part is he wanted to stick it to his old team. I keep reading this, but I thought the general sentiment was that he was still enamored with his old club. So much so that he was criticized in the Giants locker room for watching Twins games instead of preparing for his own team's game. If he loves his old team so much, I can't see why he'd want so badly to "stick it" to them. :?:

chisox77
01-06-2005, 06:00 PM
Make a solid offseason better. Sign Tiguchi, KW! Go ahead, make the move. On another thread (asking how many wins the White Sox will have in 05), I predicted 93-69. Would it be crazy to think that the Pale Hose can win into the high 90s? Seeking some opinions on this.

HomeFish
01-06-2005, 06:07 PM
Would it be crazy to think that the Pale Hose can win into the high 90s?

Absolutely yes.

SouthSideHitman
01-06-2005, 06:08 PM
Harris had a .343 obp last year Flight. How much better do you expect from Iguchi having never seen MLB pitching?
Given what we saw from Matsui, we could reasonably expect him to do pretty well, even in his first season. Even if he he's only roughly equivalent, he would make us a much better team. Him and Willie provide a nice lefty/righty mix. He also gives you power AND speed, unlike Harris, who has one homer. Either one coming off the bench is pretty good.

Guys with double-digit-letter last names ending in -ski... yeah!! Forget appealing to the hispanic market, now we can go after Pols like me! :cool:
That's right! Chicago is the second-largest Polish city in the world, after Warsaw, let's get the Polacks in the lineup and the seats!

beckett21
01-06-2005, 06:08 PM
we gotta hold onto Big Ben just for the Garcia-Davis hookup...

I liked Burke, but hes not a major league catcher, maybe with some fine tuning, but like it was previously said hes getting old. Exactly. I'm sure Davis will still be Freddy's catcher. Burke is the odd man out.

Great signing BTW. :thumbsup:

eastchicagosoxfan
01-06-2005, 06:13 PM
In the poll, I voted yes. Only because the other choice was no. It's not a resounding yes. Just curious, and maybe some people know the answer, but is the rap that he's a bad teamate, or does this guy have some Thurman Munson in him, and he needs the right manager to make his traits a positive for the team? It's his third team in three years. Was anybody else bidding?

sti3
01-06-2005, 06:17 PM
I keep reading this, but I thought the general sentiment was that he was still enamored with his old club. So much so that he was criticized in the Giants locker room for watching Twins games instead of preparing for his own team's game. If he loves his old team so much, I can't see why he'd want so badly to "stick it" to them. :?: You've never felt a combination of anger and sadness? Never cried when a girl dumped you and later picked yourself up, wiped away the tears, and then said to yourself "I'll show her!"?

Foulke You
01-06-2005, 06:21 PM
I'm a late comer to this discussion. I'm happy with the signing. We now have improved the catching situation. If KW can get Iguchi or another 2B, I might start getting very excited about this season.

BigHurt09
01-06-2005, 06:21 PM
i think the sox are top 3 in best offseasons so far do you agree?

EMel9281
01-06-2005, 06:23 PM
I'm a late comer to this discussion. I'm happy with the signing. We now have improved the catching situation. If KW can get Iguchi or another 2B, I might start getting very excited about this season.
Robbie Alomar is still out there, since the Cardinals signed Grudz today...

Paulwny
01-06-2005, 06:24 PM
Good, possibly great signing. Apparently there's been a change of heart in the organization, filling holes with some fa's before the season starts, not waiting to trade for players at the AS break.

FedEx227
01-06-2005, 06:25 PM
Robbie Alomar is still out there, since the Cardinals signed Grudz today...
I'd much rather get Robbie as the season gets going, trade another prospect at least.. I say Honel this time


i think the sox are top 3 in best offseasons so far do you agree? How many times are you going to post that before you realize nobodys going to answer...

........
.................(waits for self to answer)......

bmac5001
01-06-2005, 06:27 PM
sweet, i like it. sure, he's gained a bad rep around the majors, but i'm willing to take a chance based on his skills. hopefully he leaves those other things behind. and at one year, if he turns out to be a douchebag we can say bye-bye to him. it's a win-win situation really.

A.T. Money
01-06-2005, 06:30 PM
Is it me? Or are the Sox beginning to look like they are doing some things right for a change?

AJ used to terrorize us, and it's great that we finally are starting to put together a complete team. I'm actually quite excited now.

DaveIsHere
01-06-2005, 06:32 PM
Is it me? Or are the Sox beginning to look like they are going some things right for a change?


Dont jinx it



Actually it seems like KW has been reading this board, the team looks a lot like what a lot of have said we need

Mohoney
01-06-2005, 06:38 PM
Does this mean that either Burke or Davis is gone? Seems to me that Burke would be the odd man out since Davis can speak Spanish for Contreras and Hernandez.
Personally, I would keep both. Burke can be Buehrle's primary catcher and play a little 3B.

BRDSR
01-06-2005, 06:41 PM
i'll second that. pitchers have grumbled about the way he works. time will tell...
I believe one pitcher once grumbled about the way he worked and they eventually got it sorted out after the whole thing had been in the newspapers. If you ask me, that was as much a fault of the pitcher for taking it to the press instead of straight to him. He'll definitely have to screw up on the White Sox before I get on his case about something like that.

konerko1413
01-06-2005, 06:43 PM
i think it will be interesting to see what they decide to do with the 3 catchers now, unless they use one for trade vait i can see good reasons to keep all of them

AJ- nothing much to say, hes onee of the best hitting catchers in the game, he deffinately stays

the real question is with Davis and Burke

Davis has the best arm of all three, and i think it will be important to have that arm considering the sox are not very good at holding runners on, especially with the addition of el duque, conteras and garcia it seems only throw over to first if its an obvious base stealing threat or they are reminded

with just that said it would appear that Burke is the odd man out but he is not that bad of a hitter and he can play not only catcher but also 3rd, 1st, and coner outfield.

Personally i feel it would be best to keep all three but that would leave one or two men out somewhere else, either in the pen (adkins, cotts) or on the bench (but i really dont see us not having gload, everett, a utility man, or borchard [just yet])

any thaughts?

SABRSox
01-06-2005, 06:54 PM
Here's some stats nobody's mentioned yet:

2004 Win Shares

A.J. - 13
Burke - 5
Davis - 3 (w/ CHI) -1 (w/SEA) 2 (total)

Fantastic signing!!! :smile:

SoxxoS
01-06-2005, 06:59 PM
i think it will be interesting to see what they decide to do with the 3 catchers now, unless they use one for trade vait i can see good reasons to keep all of them

AJ- nothing much to say, hes onee of the best hitting catchers in the game, he deffinately stays

the real question is with Davis and Burke

Davis has the best arm of all three, and i think it will be important to have that arm considering the sox are not very good at holding runners on, especially with the addition of el duque, conteras and garcia it seems only throw over to first if its an obvious base stealing threat or they are reminded

with just that said it would appear that Burke is the odd man out but he is not that bad of a hitter and he can play not only catcher but also 3rd, 1st, and coner outfield.

Personally i feel it would be best to keep all three but that would leave one or two men out somewhere else, either in the pen (adkins, cotts) or on the bench (but i really dont see us not having gload, everett, a utility man, or borchard [just yet])

any thaughts?
Yeah. We just signed Davis for a way to much 1.5 (I think) dollar deal. He is definitely staying.

:reinsy

"What am I, a bank?"

zach074
01-06-2005, 07:04 PM
i think the sox are top 3 in best offseasons so far do you agree?
No i dont, and i dont agree with stealing sig's either.

A. Cavatica
01-06-2005, 07:10 PM
Personally i feel it would be best to keep all three but that would leave one or two men out somewhere else, either in the pen (adkins, cotts) or on the bench (but i really dont see us not having gload, everett, a utility man, or borchard [just yet])
I never think it's a good idea to keep three catchers, but since Burke can play 3B we could find a spot for him if he wanted to. I'd rather have him than Borchard.

redOzone
01-06-2005, 07:15 PM
I Dig It! It put a smile on my face when I heard the news. This guys is one of the better offensive catchers in the league, a career .294 hitter who has batted above .300 twice and was an All-Star in 2003. Over the last four years, he ranks second among all catchers with 127 doubles, third with a .293 average and seventh with a .438 slugging percentage.

Just hope he's not a clubhouse cancer. Maybe he can watch some tape before a game instead of playing cards and watching the Twins.

And on a personal note I like it cause I just moved to SF today from Chicago and AJ moved from SF to Chicago.

Go Good Guys in '05 and Go redOzone in Pick to Click ‘05

http://redozone.com/surf.jpg

Opening day '04 Bridgeport = 1.24 miles to Comiskey Park
Opening day '05 SF = 2145.87 miles to Comiskey Park

delben91
01-06-2005, 07:19 PM
I must say I'm a fan of the AJ signing.

It's taken me a while to come around, but I'm really starting to get psyched for spring training now. Bring on baseball, and let's go good guys!

Mohoney
01-06-2005, 07:22 PM
I never think it's a good idea to keep three catchers, but since Burke can play 3B we could find a spot for him if he wanted to. I'd rather have him than Borchard.
Exactly. Borchard and Adkins go bye-bye. Burke stays until Frank gets back.

Starters (5):
Buehrle, Garcia, Contreras, El Duque, Garland

Relievers (6):
Cotts, Vizcaino, Politte, Hermanson, Marte, Shingo

Catchers (2):
Pierzynski, Davis

Infielders (6):
Konerko, Gload, Harris, Cora or Iguchi (I'm pretty sure we're going to get one of the two), Uribe, Crede

Outfielders (5):
Dye, Rowand, Podsednik, Everett, Timo

Utility:
Burke

Then, when Frank gets back, we figure out what we're going to do. Probably send Burke down. Maybe we'll just keep Burke, move Uribe to 3B, and trade Garland, Crede, and prospects to Milwaukee for Ben Sheets.

Fake Chet Lemon
01-06-2005, 07:33 PM
I'm not really worried about AJ's attitude with Ozzie around. If Manual was still the manager, I would be very worried. He couldn't handle free spirits, ie:David Wells. But there is a new sheriff in town and Ozzie will be sure to keep AJ's head out of his behind.

mjmcend
01-06-2005, 07:56 PM
I like the signing but I do feel bad for Burke since it appears he will be the odd man out. He hit .333 / .386 / .408, what else does he need to do? I know it was only in 120 ABs but how high does he need to hit in order to prove himself in his limited oppertunity and I am no expert but his defense seemed solid at least and he was a hell of a team player. Overall, I think A.J. will make this team better and that is all that matters in the end, but Burke was and hopefully still will be a good story.

zach074
01-06-2005, 07:58 PM
I'm not really worried about AJ's attitude with Ozzie around. If Manual was still the manager, I would be very worried. He couldn't handle free spirits, ie:David Wells. But there is a new sheriff in town and Ozzie will be sure to keep AJ's head out of his behind.
Very good point, and :welcome:

mjharrison72
01-06-2005, 08:05 PM
I'm a big fan of this signing, and have been ever since someone pointed out AJ's splits at all the AL Central ballparks... over .300 everywhere except the Jake, which is pretty impressive. I have faith Ozzie and some of the clubhouse leaders like Konerko and Buehrle can get to know AJ and make him a really productive member of the team. Hopefully his competitive spirit rubs off on some of the guys, too.
-M

Hangar18
01-06-2005, 08:07 PM
For those of you who felt that A.J. had no other choice but Chicago, from whitesox.com:
I was going to put an addendum to my original post. I just heard a soundbyte where AJ was saying he had better offers out there, but he always liked Chicago and he mostly wanted a "chance to win". Im feeling better and better about this move.

Palehose13
01-06-2005, 08:08 PM
I was going to put an addendum to my original post. I just heard a soundbyte where AJ was saying he had better offers out there, but he always liked Chicago and he mostly wanted a "chance to win". Im feeling better and better about this move.
Oh my Henry...

Is that TWICE you've felt pretty good about the team this offseason? :wink:

TornLabrum
01-06-2005, 08:36 PM
Oh my Henry...

Is that TWICE you've felt pretty good about the team this offseason? :wink:
Scary, isn't it?

Palehose13
01-06-2005, 08:38 PM
Scary, isn't it?
Very. If Lip starts having these "good feelings" too, I think the apocalypse will be very, very near. :o:

Flight #24
01-06-2005, 09:59 PM
I believe AJ will also be Arb. eligible in 2006 so the Sox could actually have him for 2 years....if he performs I am sure they will probably give him an extension by the year is over anyway...JMO
This deal is just better and better. If it doesn't pan out, it's almost OK to just cut him because he's so cheap. If he's doing OK but the team has problems, he's cheap - which means you get something solid in trade for him. And if he does really well, you either hold onto him, resign him, or get a high comp pick via FA.

:thumbsup:

batmanZoSo
01-06-2005, 10:25 PM
This really solidifies our lineup and the lefty bat is very important. At least we have one guy who can drive in runs from that side. All I know is I hated his guts before, but I welcome him now. They called him a cancer in SF, but in Minnesota he was a leader. SF isn't exactly the honey bunch of clubhouses to begin with. We'll see what happens with him. No clubhouse cancer talk until he proves it with us.

Perhaps most important is all those damn posts are now justified. Which I'm sure has been mentioned already, but man that was exhausting. :cool:

We got a guy named Podsednik, a guy named Konerko and a guy named Pierzynski. We're starting to look like a real Chicago team.

Best offseason in years. They got it all right this time and did what they said they were gonna do! In other news, a 30 mile comet is bound for Earth in 6 hours.

gosox41
01-06-2005, 10:42 PM
Very. If Lip starts having these "good feelings" too, I think the apocalypse will be very, very near. :o:
Won't happen. :D:


Bob

kojak
01-06-2005, 11:02 PM
Very. If Lip starts having these "good feelings" too, I think the apocalypse will be very, very near. :o:


Oh yeah? Well I heard HomeFish just predicted an undefeated season! :o:

Palehose Pete
01-06-2005, 11:19 PM
Rogers has a pro-AJ article in today's Trib. I guess I should thank him for recognizing our good fortune in getting AJ.

My question is to Phil is why rip on the Sox for not having a catcher with good offense in the last decade? What about Charles Johnson in 2000?

YearTeamGABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBHBPSOSHSFAVGOBPSLG1994 FLA4115510140010401.455.462.8181995FLA973154079151 1139024647142.251.351.4101996FLA120386348413113371 04029124.218.292.3581997FLA12441643104261196302603 10932.250.347.4541998FLA31113132550723011603001.22 1.315.4511998LA10234631751301235012919900.217.279. 3581999BAL1354265810719116540055410743.251.3402000 CHA1294247612924031912053110803.304.380.580

Pretty close to AJ's numbers in any year.


http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/cs-050106rogers,1,4845782.column?coll=cs-home-utility

batmanZoSo
01-06-2005, 11:23 PM
YearTeamGABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBHBPSOSHSFAVGOBPSLG1994 FLA4115510140010401.455.462.8181995FLA973154079151 1139024647142.251.351.4101996FLA120386348413113371 04029124.218.292.3581997FLA12441643104261196302603 10932.250.347.4541998FLA31113132550723011603001.22 1.315.4511998LA10234631751301235012919900.217.279. 3581999BAL1354265810719116540055410743.251.3402000 CHA1294247612924031912053110803.304.380.580


IthinkPierzynskiwillbeafineadditiontothislineupasw ellpurplemonkeydishwasher.:)

FarWestChicago
01-06-2005, 11:23 PM
YearTeamGABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBHBPSOSHSFAVGOBPSLG1994 FLA4115510140010401.455.462.8181995FLA973154079151 1139024647142.251.351.4101996FLA120386348413113371 04029124.218.292.3581997FLA12441643104261196302603 10932.250.347.4541998FLA31113132550723011603001.22 1.315.4511998LA10234631751301235012919900.217.279. 3581999BAL1354265810719116540055410743.251.3402000 CHA1294247612924031912053110803.304.380.580

Pretty close to AJ's numbers in any year. If you say so. http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/eek.gif

Whitesox029
01-06-2005, 11:25 PM
Not bad at all. More Ex Twins isn't that bad.... Not really...ex-cubs are bad luck though. We should be careful there. Garland is only half ex-cub because he didn't pitch for them. At the moment I can't think of any other ex-cubs on the White Sox.
YearTeamGABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBHBPSOSHSFAVGOBPSLG1994 FLA4115510140010401.455.462.8181995FLA973154079151 1139024647142.251.351.4101996FLA120386348413113371 04029124.218.292.3581997FLA12441643104261196302603 10932.250.347.4541998FLA31113132550723011603001.22 1.315.4511998LA10234631751301235012919900.217.279. 3581999BAL1354265810719116540055410743.251.3402000 CHA1294247612924031912053110803.304.380.580 This may very well become the most-quoted post in WSI history.
:supernana:

Palehose Pete
01-06-2005, 11:25 PM
OK, that last post was totally screwed. I'll try the stats part again. Sorry.

Charles Johnson (C)
Year Team GA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB HBP SO SH SF
2000 CHA 129 424 76 129 24 0 31 91 2 0 53 1 108 0 3

AVG. OBP SLG
.304 .380 .580

FarWestChicago
01-06-2005, 11:31 PM
OK, that last post was totally screwed. I'll try the stats part again. Sorry.No need to apologize. We had some fun. http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/cool.gif

batmanZoSo
01-06-2005, 11:32 PM
OK, that last post was totally screwed. I'll try the stats part again. Sorry.

Charles Johnson (C)
Year Team GA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB HBP SO SH SF
2000 CHA 129 424 76 129 24 0 31 91 2 0 53 1 108 0 3

AVG. OBP SLG
.304 .380 .580
I see that kind of stuff above happen a lot around here. You didn't think that was gonna make sense to anyone, did you? Or does it not look like that when you paste the text in?

WhiteSoxFan84
01-06-2005, 11:40 PM
Yes - 182 - 87.08%
No - 27 - 12.92%

I LOVE IT. THAT OTHER 13% SHOULD BE QUESTIONED AND POSSIBLY PUT IN AN INSANE ASYLUM.

MY HOMIE IS OFFICIALLY SIGNED!

Bad boys, bad boys, whatchu gonna do, whatchu gonna do when they win the AL Central in 2005?

Oh and by the way, whoever said that putting a pic of players whom have not officially signed in sigs with Sox hats on is a curse, :booty: , curses are for Cub fans.

GO SOX!

sti3
01-06-2005, 11:49 PM
OK, that last post was totally screwed. I'll try the stats part again. Sorry.

Charles Johnson (C)
Year Team GA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB HBP SO SH SF
2000 CHA 129 424 76 129 24 0 31 91 2 0 53 1 108 0 3

AVG. OBP SLG
.304 .380 .580
I liked him too, but we had Charles for only 44 games that season, and while he had AMAZING numbers (.326/.411/.607) for us, he's never matched it since, though he's had a fine career. Way too small a sample size. If AJ matches his career numbers, or anything close to them, he'll be a fine addition to the team!

jlim
01-07-2005, 12:19 AM
YESSSSS!
:bandance:

PicktoCLick72
01-07-2005, 01:43 AM
I just get home from skiing and find this out. A great end to my day indeed. Like him or not we need someone like him in the lineup. We could not just settle for DAvis/Burke.
:supernana: :bandance: :supernana:

Nick@Nite
01-07-2005, 02:54 AM
:tomatoaward :tomatoaward

MHOUSE
01-07-2005, 02:57 AM
At 1 year and $2.25 million this is a great deal. If his supposed bad chemistry flares up then we're not on the hook for another year and either way we're not breaking the bank for him. Great job Kenny! This improves the lineup a ton, especially if Davis can hit a couple of those hot streaks like he did in August. A shade over $3 million for an above-average catching duo is a job well done. I see much more durabilty and consistency from AJ/Davis than Alomar/Olivo/Burke.

LF Pods
CF Rowand
DH Thomas/Everett
1B Paulie
RF Dye
C A.J.
SS Uribe
3B Crede
2B Harris

the cooler king
01-07-2005, 03:08 AM
It's only 39 days until they let me out of this box to see pitchers and catchers...and oh so many new faces.

Anyone remember timing during the KW era when it comes to signing players before Sox Fest? Does history indicate we are done or should we expect one more move (even if it just is adding another Cora)?



Yep...my first post. Time to enjoy the moment. :gulp:

miker
01-07-2005, 06:30 AM
Thanks to WSI for letting this Sox fan know whats going on. I don't really listen to sports radio or local news, and besides when they DO report something on the White Sox, its usually negative.

As for A.J. we needed an experienced catcher and who knows how true the "chemistry" issues are, so as with every Sox move, I reserve judgement until we are officially eliminated in September or, dare I say it, make the playoffs?!?!?

The White Sox are a soap opera that has taken this year to retool the cast -- hopefully this year we have a happy ending.

Realist
01-07-2005, 07:06 AM
It's only 39 days until they let me out of this box to see pitchers and catchers...and oh so many new faces.

Anyone remember timing during the KW era when it comes to signing players before Sox Fest? Does history indicate we are done or should we expect one more move (even if it just is adding another Cora)?



Yep...my first post. Time to enjoy the moment. :gulp:Who knows? Maybe we can thank "Steff Unleashed" based on her World renowned and appreciated performance at last years's Sox Fest for all the winter activity,

Ya really can't blame Kenny for not wanting a repeat of last year. :wink:

SSN721
01-07-2005, 09:25 AM
I love the name! How come the sox are always bad in baseball movies?
They swept the Indians in 1988 to go to the World Series and then in 1989 (I dont know what it is supposed to be in the fictional world since even though ML2 was made in the mid 90s and claimed it took place the year after Major League) took the Indians to game 7 in the ALCS. So not too bad. I still dont understand the continuity and fictional timeline in the Major League movies, I mean, it was the year after major league that the second one was supposed to take place. But it was pretty obvious everyone aged, just look at Sheen, he looks about 10-15 years older in that flick. Anyway, Jack Parkman is my favorite fictional White Sox player (I know, a long storied list), if AJ shows up at camp in a Lamborghini with girls on both arms in a leather jacket and smoking a cig I think he will instantly be my favorite player this year. :smile:

ma-gaga
01-07-2005, 09:40 AM
Hey Ma, how long do you think we'll have to wait before some overconfident Sox Fan posts assurances that FINALLY the Central Division crown is the Sox to lose?
Not too bad really. Just a lot of excitement around here. :cool: SEALgep's almost gone into that realm.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=566303&postcount=9

90% pro-AJ, 10% anti-AJ. That's pretty much what I expected. Love him if he's on your team, hate him if he's against. Damn good move. :angry:

mjharrison72
01-07-2005, 11:34 AM
Not sure anyone else pointed this out, but AJ had only 27 K's last season while starting almost 130 games. That's impressive.
-M

Soxfest
01-07-2005, 11:34 AM
Solid move for 2005

DC Sox Fan
01-07-2005, 11:39 AM
Great move. I can't remember being this excited in past years. We seemed to always have 1 big name move (Wells, Colon, etc.) but this gets me much more excited. Great off-season, KW!

PS- thanks to this thread for my new signature.

HebrewHammer
01-07-2005, 12:13 PM
Not sure anyone else pointed this out, but AJ had only 27 K's last season while starting almost 130 games. That's impressive.
-MWith any luck Walker can get him up in the 150-175 range.:D:

milrtyme28
01-07-2005, 10:50 PM
I for one am thrilled and stoked about this move - it makes sense and it is great to see KW follow up on a plan that he laid out early and promised us all. I think the grand experiment will pay off in 2005.

Why not pick up a guy with AJ's stats who is relatively inexpensive? If it doesnt work out he could be trade bait and you can always dump him when the season is over. If it works out well you can still snag him for another year.

I will tip a few back for this one - no go get us an infielder!! :gulp: :gulp:

Bisco Stu
01-07-2005, 11:20 PM
Before you get all giddy Sox fan, realize that AJ will kill many a rally with his penchant for GIDP.

He's easily the most verbose member of the Sox, probably more so than any athlete in Chitown. He had a weekly show on the Tom Tolbert radio show in SF in 2004.

But we need O and he can hit consistently, so it's an upgrade. We have a potential All-Star backup at catcher now.

flo-B-flo
01-07-2005, 11:45 PM
Heck, he'll get along GREAT with the pitchers since none of them speak English and A. J. doesn't speak Spanish.
:bandance: LoL! well said.:D:

FarWestChicago
01-07-2005, 11:58 PM
Before you get all giddy Sox fan, realize that AJ will kill many a rally with his penchant for GIDP.:walnuts

Don't worry, I'm not giving up my title easily!

joepoe
01-09-2005, 04:24 PM
The Sox needed a major attitude adjustment. How many times did we watch him just beat the Sox like a drum. Seemed like he never failed to *get em over get em in* against our heroes. Excellent signing. I heard him on Mac Jurko and Harry on Friday and he is raring to go.

MrRoboto83
01-09-2005, 05:01 PM
Now that we got A.J. losing Olivo is just a vapor memory to me

johnny_mostil
01-09-2005, 06:27 PM
Now that we got A.J. losing Olivo is just a vapor memory to me
Especially considering that Olivo was El Stinko with Seattle. A year ago the catching tandem was Olivo/Alomar, now it's Pierzynski/Davis. This is a significant upgrade.

Daver
01-09-2005, 06:29 PM
Especially considering that Olivo was El Stinko with Seattle. A year ago the catching tandem was Olivo/Alomar, now it's Pierzynski/Davis. This is a significant upgrade.
Really?


How?

zach074
01-09-2005, 06:34 PM
I would rather have Olivo and Alomar.

johnny_mostil
01-09-2005, 06:44 PM
Really?

How?BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HIT.

Once you discount the incredible manure spreading going around about Pierzynski (can't call a game, although the team ERA was a quarter of a run lower when he caught and the ERA when he catches is lower than the team ERA in every season in his career; can't throw, although NL teams charitably didn't run on him as often as they did on the average catcher; didn't prep for games... etc etc etc.) by enquiry, you find out that it's all crap. Olivo's a .200 hitter with no power against RHPs.

Pierzynski is getting slammed because he had the temerity to take the Giants to arbitration and beat them. He was going to do it again, which is why he was non-tendered. Now, being the classless organization we all think the White Sox are, they are trashing him from Maine to Maui to justify their idiosyncratic decision to hire Mike Matheny.

Unless you think a stolen base a month is significant, you just can't take the criticism seriously. If the Giants are correct, Yorvit Torrealba should have been let go, too, because he "did an even worse job of preparing for games" and he can't hit at all.

johnny_mostil
01-09-2005, 06:46 PM
I would rather have Olivo and Alomar.
Olivo was AWFUL last season with Seattle. Alomar is a million years old and can't hit a lick any more.

Daver
01-09-2005, 07:05 PM
Olivo was AWFUL last season with Seattle. Alomar is a million years old and can't hit a lick any more.
I don't care if a catcher hits .099, as long as he handles the pitching staff, can control the game, and provide good defense.

Damn shame AJ can't do any of that.

He struggles to call pitches, how in the hell can you expect him to call a game?

fquaye149
01-09-2005, 07:09 PM
I don't care if a catcher hits .099, as long as he handles the pitching staff, can control the game, and provide good defense.

Damn shame AJ can't do any of that.

He struggles to call pitches, how in the hell can you expect him to call a game?
I know there's a lot of bad blood w/ AJ right now after the San Fran thing...

But I always remember Hawk commenting favorably on the games AJ called against us when he was with the twins.

Is he really much worse than cooper making the calls through davis or olivo?

Nick@Nite
01-09-2005, 07:21 PM
I don't care if a catcher hits .099, as long as he handles the pitching staff, can control the game, and provide good defense.
Can we agree to get that average up to at least .225?

santo=dorf
01-09-2005, 07:25 PM
I don't care if a catcher hits .099, as long as he handles the pitching staff, can control the game, and provide good defense.

Damn shame AJ can't do any of that.

He struggles to call pitches, how in the hell can you expect him to call a game?
I don't recall Miguel being that good behind the plate, and I think he got much worse when he went to Seattle.

AJ>>>Olivo
And
Davis and Sandy are a wash, but Ben is younger and a switch hitter.

Daver
01-09-2005, 07:28 PM
I know there's a lot of bad blood w/ AJ right now after the San Fran thing...

But I always remember Hawk commenting favorably on the games AJ called against us when he was with the twins.

Is he really much worse than cooper making the calls through davis or olivo?
Calling pitches and calling a game are two completely different things.

When your starting catcher can do neither, you have a problem at that position.

Chisox003
01-09-2005, 07:30 PM
I really am shocked that people here actually think Big Ben was THAT much better than AJ....We are at a point in the AL where EVERY hitter in the lineup has to be a threat, and Davis was far from it....Ok, say he does call games better (No clue how anybody can prove that, seeing as how the pitchers had a 5.15 ERA and went 20-21 when he started), but AJs bat makes up for every thing he "lacks" defensively...I do not see the big deal defensively, and I wish someone would come up with some drastic stats to prove that Davis is so much better than AJ....

In regards to the Poll, I am actually surprised that there were that many people (33) that didnt like the deal....

I also read somewhere that Hermanson recommended AJ to KW, so obviously there was some sort of positive connection....

Chisox003
01-09-2005, 07:31 PM
Calling pitches and calling a game are two completely different things.

When your starting catcher can do neither, you have a problem at that position.
Daver, is there proof anywhere that this is absolutely true? Im just wondering, because you seem pretty set in your opinion.......

Daver
01-09-2005, 07:35 PM
Daver, is there proof anywhere that this is absolutely true? Im just wondering, because you seem pretty set in your opinion.......
Perhaps you should do some homework on what calling pitches and calling a game are.

Heres a hint. You won't find it on any fantasy baseball sites.

Chisox003
01-09-2005, 07:38 PM
Perhaps you should do some homework on what calling pitches and calling a game are.

Heres a hint. You won't find it on any fantasy baseball sites.Daver, you seemed a little worked up....And obviously you are smarter than all of us here, perhaps you should enlighten us with your brilliance?

johnny_mostil
01-09-2005, 07:47 PM
Daver, you seemed a little worked up....And obviously you are smarter than all of us here, perhaps you should enlighten us with your brilliance?
My problem with all this is there isn't any evidence that Mr. Pierzynski can't do the things normally expected of a catcher outside of cheap shots from Giant executives. There's no increase in runs being allowed. There's no increase in bases being stolen. There are just words.

If Pierzynski is so bad, why is Yorvit Torrealba still in the majors? He can't hit, the pitchers allowed more runs when he was catching, and he didn't shut down the running game, either?

Theories or observations are all fine, and we all certainly understand that some people know the fine points, but if there are no consequences, where is the harm?

Daver
01-09-2005, 07:50 PM
My problem with all this is there isn't any evidence that Mr. Pierzynski can't do the things normally expected of a catcher outside of cheap shots from Giant executives. There's no increase in runs being allowed. There's no increase in bases being stolen. There are just words.

If Pierzynski is so bad, why is Yorvit Torrealba still in the majors? He can't hit, the pitchers allowed more runs when he was catching, and he didn't shut down the running game, either?

Theories or observations are all fine, and we all certainly understand that some people know the fine points, but if there are no consequences, where is the harm?
Another sterling example of why all stats lie.

Daver
01-09-2005, 07:52 PM
Daver, you seemed a little worked up....And obviously you are smarter than all of us here, perhaps you should enlighten us with your brilliance?
I'm not worked up at all.

Do your own homework.

MRKARNO
01-10-2005, 12:34 AM
I would give a longer reply if it werent so late, but I think because he signed for so cheap that it was a good deal. I was under the impression he'd be getting a 2 or 3 year contract. Apparently not.

hose
01-10-2005, 06:18 AM
I remember Ivan Rodriguez getting slammed before he signed with the Marlins.

All I heard was Ivan was selfish and couldn't call a game.... blah, blah, blah.

Seems like Florida's young staff did ok and I-Rod was a one man wrecking crew in the playoffs.

Check WSI's achieves on I-Rod and you'll hear some of the same stuff you're hearing now. Granted AJ is getting slammed more than I-Rod did , but with the Sox signing a Giant pitcher I think KW had some first hand information to base his decision on.

Flight #24
01-10-2005, 10:12 AM
I don't care if a catcher hits .099, as long as he handles the pitching staff, can control the game, and provide good defense.

Damn shame AJ can't do any of that.

He struggles to call pitches, how in the hell can you expect him to call a game?
Just out of curiosity, Daver - What were your perceptions of Olivo? Since he's left, there's been a lot of scuttle from the Sox and M's that he lacks pretty much the skills you're referring to in terms of game-calling/control. Some of that could be standard post-trade dirt, but when I hear it from the M's side, it makes me wonder about how much might be true.

Is AJ really that much worse?