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konerko1413
01-06-2005, 12:11 AM
Cotts started off slow, not getting many calls from Ozzie, but later in the year he was called on alot and was even described by some as over worked for a rookie. I noticed that near the end of the season he had added about 3-4 mph on his fastball (getting upto about 93) and his curve was alot tighter. Did anyone else notice this change in his pitching and do you think he will be able to keep it going in 05?

WhiteSoxNation
01-06-2005, 12:16 AM
Konerko1413 = :spam (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=5#)

How many threads do we need. . . .
and on the topic, Cotts whoudl be last outta the pen unless a lefty lefty match up.

BainesHOF
01-06-2005, 12:38 AM
Cotts has potential and should be in the mix for a bullpen spot in '05.

NonetheLoaiza
01-06-2005, 12:42 AM
Konerko1413 = :spam (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=5#)

How many threads do we need. . . .
and on the topic, Cotts whoudl be last outta the pen unless a lefty lefty match up.
It's ok. He's taking over for Jabroni, while he's out of comission.

TaylorStSox
01-06-2005, 03:29 AM
IMO, Cotts shouldn't be wasting away in a the back of the pen. He should be starting in AAA. He definitely has the stuff to be a solid 3,4 starter in the bigs. He throws heat with a nice breaking ball and a developing change, from the left side.


Unfortunately for him, he appears to be more valuable to the Sox in a lefty specialist role.

beck72
01-06-2005, 05:50 AM
IMO, Cotts shouldn't be wasting away in a the back of the pen. He should be starting in AAA. He definitely has the stuff to be a solid 3,4 starter in the bigs. He throws heat with a nice breaking ball and a developing change, from the left side.


Unfortunately for him, he appears to be more valuable to the Sox in a lefty specialist role.
Cotts can pitch at this level. Going back to AAA to work on a pitch isn't the answer when he can get outs here. COtts needs at least 3 solid pitches to be a SP in the bigs though. His "developing" change should sit on the shelf, or worked on in ST and in side sessions. How many of those changes were hit over the wall last yr during games?

EvilJester99
01-06-2005, 07:48 AM
One thing that certainly didn't help Cotts out last season was "Thriller" Mike Jackson....how many inherited runners did Jackson allow to score all going to Cotts? Jackson was killing everyone in the pen last season. :angry:

eastchicagosoxfan
01-06-2005, 08:15 AM
Cotts has major league stuff. Let him get his feet down in the pen. If a starter goes down, Cotts can do the job. He'll be a number 5 guy though.

White Sox Randy
01-06-2005, 08:43 AM
I agree with most of you. I like Cotts a lot . I thought that it would be better for the Sox to sign a veteran lefty for the bullpen and have Cotts starting in Charlotte waiting for someone to go down or as serious trade bait.

If they are keeping him in the pen this year, as they appear to be, I think that's fine but next year he deserves a shot at the rotation.

samram
01-06-2005, 08:56 AM
Cotts can pitch at this level. Going back to AAA to work on a pitch isn't the answer when he can get outs here. COtts needs at least 3 solid pitches to be a SP in the bigs though. His "developing" change should sit on the shelf, or worked on in ST and in side sessions. How many of those changes were hit over the wall last yr during games?
The problem is if he is to be a SP, he needs to actually start games, and he can only do that in Charlotte. I don't understand why they converted Cotts to a reliever and Munoz to a starter when it seemed that both were developing well in their former roles. Maybe that was discussed last year on these boards, but I wasn't around.

Ol' No. 2
01-06-2005, 12:15 PM
The problem is if he is to be a SP, he needs to actually start games, and he can only do that in Charlotte. I don't understand why they converted Cotts to a reliever and Munoz to a starter when it seemed that both were developing well in their former roles. Maybe that was discussed last year on these boards, but I wasn't around.IMO, pitchers can learn only so much at the AAA level. I think the bullpen is a good place for a young pitcher to learn to pitch at the major league level, as long as he has the stuff to justify the spot. He can come in and pitch an inning or two and not have to deal with the burden of starting every 5th day. Back in the day, that used to be the way most pitchers got their feet wet.

samram
01-06-2005, 12:25 PM
IMO, pitchers can learn only so much at the AAA level. I think the bullpen is a good place for a young pitcher to learn to pitch at the major league level, as long as he has the stuff to justify the spot. He can come in and pitch an inning or two and not have to deal with the burden of starting every 5th day. Back in the day, that used to be the way most pitchers got their feet wet.
I agree he can only learn so much at AAA, but my concern is stamina. I would imagine that two years of pitching in the bullpen would not lend itself to a quick transition back to starting. That's why I'm interested to see what Smoltz will do this year, although he'll probably be fine. If Cotts was doing what Ramiro Mendoza used to do, long relief and spot starting, I would be more confident he could make the transition. It's probably a moot point anyway, since there's no spot in the starting rotation.

Lip Man 1
01-06-2005, 12:58 PM
Neil Cotts at best is a 'mop up' man at the major league level. You bring him in when you are hoplessly behind or have a very big lead.

His propensity to issue walks kills him. it killed him in those handful of times he started and it kills him out of the bullpen. Right now I don't want him pitching in any game situations.

Send him back to triple A.

Lip

Ol' No. 2
01-06-2005, 01:20 PM
I agree he can only learn so much at AAA, but my concern is stamina. I would imagine that two years of pitching in the bullpen would not lend itself to a quick transition back to starting. That's why I'm interested to see what Smoltz will do this year, although he'll probably be fine. If Cotts was doing what Ramiro Mendoza used to do, long relief and spot starting, I would be more confident he could make the transition. It's probably a moot point anyway, since there's no spot in the starting rotation.It's certainly difficult to switch from the BP to the rotation during the season, but if you start early in spring training, I don't think it's that much of a problem. Cotts had some very good stretches and some very bad ones. Consistency will come with experience. Right now they need him in the BP.

gosox41
01-06-2005, 02:21 PM
Neil Cotts at best is a 'mop up' man at the major league level. You bring him in when you are hoplessly behind or have a very big lead.

His propensity to issue walks kills him. it killed him in those handful of times he started and it kills him out of the bullpen. Right now I don't want him pitching in any game situations.

Send him back to triple A.

Lip
Lip,
You and I agree on this one. I see no need to have a pitcher who can't consistently throw strikes.



Bob

Joel Perez
01-06-2005, 02:29 PM
Another year in the pen will only give him more experience. And he'll be 25 this year...so when he does get ready to be a bona fide starter, he'll have two years experience in the big leagues under his belt. Sounds great to me! :gulp:

WhiteSoxFan84
01-06-2005, 02:43 PM
Neil Cotts at best is a 'mop up' man at the major league level. You bring him in when you are hoplessly behind or have a very big lead.

His propensity to issue walks kills him. it killed him in those handful of times he started and it kills him out of the bullpen. Right now I don't want him pitching in any game situations.

Send him back to triple A.

LipAs I remember, he only has 2 pitches? Hawk and DJ will tell you he has 4 pitches, but 3 of them are different variations of the fastball (2-seamer, 4-seamer, forgot the other one, not a sinker or a cutter). His style relies on control. And he doesn't seem to have much of that either.

California Sox
01-06-2005, 03:36 PM
I agree with the half of this board who wants to convert Cotts into a starter. The way he was used last season was not helpful to him or the team. With even an average change he would be effective against righties and lefties. Munoz could be the lefty mop-up guy as easily as Cotts, plus I wouldn't be surprised if Diaz makes a run at the last spot coming out of the pen. With his change, sometimes he's better versus lefties than righties.

I'm also not sold on Contreras as a starter, nor do I believe El Duque is going to make 35 starts. We're going to need a fallback position. Cotts might be the guy. Start him in Charlotte and have him be ready so we don't have a repeat of what happened in the five hole last year.