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konerko1413
01-02-2005, 08:48 PM
i wanted to know what everyones favorite sox team was. my first is probably the 1919 team, they were an amazing team, maybe the greatest group of ballplayers to ever take the field together. If it hadnt been for our history of rotten owners (starting with comisky himself) the scandel would have never happened the the sox would now be what the yankees are today
#2 is deffinately 1983, but only cuz tony la russa was the manager, i love ozzie, but we should brought back tony

Whitesox029
01-02-2005, 08:51 PM
From what I've heard, '59 and '77 were great years, even though they didn't win anything in '77. The best year I can remember enough to appreciate would be 2000 because...well...I'm only 17.

eastchicagosoxfan
01-02-2005, 08:52 PM
1983 was my favorite. I don't think the 1919 team was that great.

jshanahanjr
01-02-2005, 08:59 PM
1990 was my favorite team. The Sox were expected to do nothing, but they gave the mightyA's all they could handle & then some.

Medford Bobby
01-02-2005, 09:01 PM
:redneck Pure fun was the 1977 club.........and I'll have a warm spot for the 1990 club....then 1972 with Allen and Melton...and 1993 because it was born in the Genesis of 1990.

:angry: I'm still mad at 1983 club because they blew out the West and folded in playoffs..........Gee what 2004 Cardinal manager reminded me of 1983:o:

konerko1413
01-02-2005, 09:01 PM
1983 was my favorite. I don't think the 1919 team was that great.Look up the team stats and compare them any other team, plus the average player age was 28

MikeW
01-02-2005, 09:10 PM
Thats a tough one. I would have to say the 1967 team gave me the most thrills with that anemic offense and great pitching. I cried for days after that season ended with those losses to the A's and Senators. 1977 was a joy because most of the so called experts picked the Sox for last and they had a joyous season. 1983 because they finally won something.

Shingotime!!
01-02-2005, 09:10 PM
My favorite team, the 2005 white sox.

dcb33
01-02-2005, 09:16 PM
The 1990 Sox got me hooked on the team, so that was definitely one of my favorites, as well as the 1993 team. You had to love how half the players on those teams had nicknames... Hawk always seemed to have a field day with that.
I'm already looking forward to Hawk introducing The Rock, Tim Raines as our 1st base coach next year.

LongLiveFisk
01-02-2005, 09:23 PM
1990 was my favorite team. The Sox were expected to do nothing, but they gave the mightyA's all they could handle & then some.Yes, 1990 for sure and I will add 1985 to that list. Fisk hitting 37 hr's, Seaver winning his 300th, and just a fun, scrappy team they were. I never missed a game on tv that year unless it was a radio-only broadcast which I seem to recall taking place back then from time to time. You know, I'm still mad at my brother for not taking me to a game I got tickets for through school that year(the straight A/perfect attendance thing). I was only 14 and obviously could not drive myself there! :angry:

But man, I really miss those days sometimes....and those 20 years have sure flown by, haven't they?

RKMeibalane
01-02-2005, 09:49 PM
2000

Brian26
01-02-2005, 09:51 PM
1990, 2000 and 2003.

Even though 2003 ended in a disaster, it was somewhat bitter sweet. I felt like that was one of the best teams the Sox ever assembled and had the chance, up until the last two weeks of the season, to be major players in the postseason.

RKMeibalane
01-02-2005, 09:55 PM
1990, 2000 and 2003.

Even though 2003 ended in a disaster, it was somewhat bitter sweet. I felt like that was one of the best teams the Sox ever assembled and had the chance, up until the last two weeks of the season, to be major players in the postseason.
I almost listed the 2003 team as my favorite. I think the difference between that team and the 2000 team, aside from the won-loss records, was the fact that the 2000 team wasn't expected to do anything. Everyone assumed that the Sox were still at least one season away from contending, and then they went out and won ninety five games.

Brian26
01-02-2005, 10:15 PM
I almost listed the 2003 team as my favorite. I think the difference between that team and the 2000 team, aside from the won-loss records, was the fact that the 2000 team wasn't expected to do anything. Everyone assumed that the Sox were still at least one season away from contending, and then they went out and won ninety five games.True. The great thing about the '03 team was that they weren't expected to do anything after the first two months of the season. Then, all of a sudden they turned it on and went nuts to somehow gain the division lead. Couple that with the All-Star Game festivities, the excitement at the time of some deadline trades (Everett, Alomar, Schoewenweis, Sullivan), Loaiza's Cy Young shot, Buehrle shaving Hawk's head, the '83 throwback weekend....it was a fun year.

Until that ****ing Jose Paniagua game.

ChiWhiteSox1337
01-02-2005, 10:23 PM
I'm only 16 so I won't say the obvious 2000 answer. I really liked the 2003 team as well and it was probably the most painful thing to watch as they went down in the final weeks of the season because they were clicking on all cylinders like no other team in the AL. I also liked the 2004 team at the beginning of the season when hawk was going wild about ozzieball because Uribe and Harris were at the top of the line up getting on base at insane rates. The sox played in a lot of close games and won them, which we never used to see under JM.
:hawk
"Ozzieball, it's an intangible!"
"AND THIS BALL GAME IS OVAAAAAAA!!!!!"

konerko1413
01-02-2005, 10:29 PM
Until that ****ing Jose Paniagua game.
100% true, i was at both the game before this one and this game, after the first game the team was goin nuts on the field and the overall atmosphere of the fans was indescribable, i think everyone believed nothing could stop us, and although we won the next game, paniagua gave up four runs in less than an inning, we won but the rally the twins had put the great feelings of the night before to death, the twins took the next two games and then all the rest of the MIN-CHW games of the year, i knew we were done on the ride home from that game

tsamdog
01-02-2005, 10:31 PM
1977 for excitement at the old park (plus I turned 21..lol)

1983 for their talent (especially their starting staff)

JKryl
01-02-2005, 11:20 PM
The teams of the late 50's rule. They were just pure fun, with a lot of great, friendly players. And, yes, I know I'm dating myself.



:bundy White Sox baseball, every day an adventure!

doublem23
01-03-2005, 12:27 AM
The 1993 team. The first year I really started following baseball day in and day out. I turned 10 in September and went with my dad to a game against Texas when the Magic Number got cut to like 5, I think, and it was a blast.

What a ****ing year. What a ****ing team.

HITMEN OF 77
01-03-2005, 12:34 AM
I'm fond of the 1968-1971 teams. Even though they weren't good, well I guess in 71 they were decent, I'm still drawn to them for some reason.

StillMissOzzie
01-03-2005, 01:12 AM
1967, 1977, and 1983 are the three years that I loved the most.

1967: The Sox were in the first pennant race that I actually remembered paying attention to. This year pushed me off the fence from being a youngster that liked both teams.:bandance:

1977: Lot of fun going to the ball park with friends, including the young lady who would become my wife. Much drunken revelry.:gulp:

1983: The first year that the actually won something! Also the year I got married, and we were on our honeymoon when they clinched the division. They should have won the WS that year!!!:angry:

SMO

chisox117
01-03-2005, 01:36 AM
add 1985 to that list. Fisk hitting 37 hr's, Seaver winning his 300th, and just a fun, scrappy team they were. It was great to see the ’85 team mentioned. That was one of my favorite Sox teams as well-- for the reasons listed above + they brought back Oscar Gamble (possibly my uncle’s all time favorite Sox) though he didn’t do anything worthwhile at the plate.

As my most favorites though, in terms of being the most exciting, talented teams to watch, I’d pick the Sox in 93-94. Those teams had it all – Power, pitching, speed, D…Steve Sax was a real pig though!

And hey RKMeibalane: I’m glad you’re looking forward to the Suns game on Wed…Tracy and the Rockets are going to receive a real beating! Did you catch any highlights of Amare Stoudmire dropping 50pts on Portland tonight? It was an amazing performance!
:gulp:

Foulke You
01-03-2005, 02:01 AM
the twins took the next two games and then all the rest of the MIN-CHW games of the year, i knew we were done on the ride home from that gameI was in Boston on vacation and watched the Paniagua game from a local bar that had satellite TV. I remember being stoked that we won at the time and I was getting excited for the upcoming 3 game set in Boston that I had tickets for. I remember being pissed at the whole Paniagua thing but wrote it off as "Jeez, Manuel almost blew another one!" I still say that that game was not as signifigant as everyone says it was.

If you'll recall, the White Sox went into Boston and took 2 out of 3 from a really tough Red Sox team the following series after the Twins. It appeared that the ship had been righted until the team arrived at the Metrodome, Loaiza caught the flu (Manuel pitched him anyway) and the team forgot how to hit and lost its heart along the way. The rest is history.:(:

Dan H
01-03-2005, 10:15 AM
1967 - a team that had no business contending but came within three games of the World Series.

1977 - that summer Old Comiskey truly rocked. There hasn't been a season like it since.

1993 - it was great to see young players mature and put it together. 1994 would have been great if it hadn't been for Jerry Reinsdorf.

wilburwood
01-03-2005, 10:41 AM
1977 South Side Hit Men. I lived in the bleachers that summer. You truly had to experience it to get the full effect.

nccwsfan
01-03-2005, 11:01 AM
1983, hands down. That team was magical during the second half of the season.....

Baby Fisk
01-03-2005, 11:08 AM
The 1993 team. The first year I really started following baseball day in and day out.

What a ****ing year. What a ****ing team.What he said. The 1993 team was my religion.

ja1022
01-03-2005, 11:20 AM
It was great to see the ’85 team mentioned.
85 was a great year. It was kind of a bounce back year after a very disappointing 1984 season. As I remember it was a pretty good three team race with the Sox finishing behind the Royals and Angels. Ozzie was Rookie of the Year, Seaver won #300, Fisk hit 37 and Baines had a big year. I am a Britt Burns fan and he won 18 that year pitching with a degenerative hip that cut his career short. Too short. That was his last big league season at only 26, and I remember him being stuck on 18 and LaRussa juggling the rotation late in the season in an effort to get him 20 wins.

Although the race wasn't as tight as in 85, the 90 team was alot of fun as well. Thigpen's 57 saves defined that season.

OurBitchinMinny
01-03-2005, 11:29 AM
Mine was 1993. It would have been '94 if it hadnt been taken from us. That was the year. 2000 was good, but the team not showing up for the playoffs kind of left a sour taste in my mouth. 2003 was the most disappointing

Deadguy
01-03-2005, 11:46 AM
Definitely 2000. The Seattle series leaves me with many painful flashbacks, but that team was quite possibly the best in baseball, during the regular season.

What made it so special was the fact that it was totally unexpected. It was really just supposed to be "The Kids can Play, Part II", with a payroll hovering around just 30 million, but it ended up being so much more. Things really came together in June, when the Sox ripped through Cleveland and New York, and solidified their reputations as a team to be taken seriously. I don't think I'd ever felt prouder or happier to be a White Sox fan.

The 1996 team is also an underrated team. I still have a Sports Illustrated from June of 1996, where they ran a story on the Sox beacuse they were momentarilly tied with Cleveland for the best record in baseball. That team had a legitimate lead off man in Tony Phillips, Robin Ventura and Frank were as good as ever, and Harold was a solid DH. Ray Durham, Ozzie, and Tartabul also were solid fixtures on the team. The Sox were in playoff contention until the last week, but lost out to the Orioles by two games. I still remember how little people seemed to care though. I don't know if people were still upset about the strike or if people still weren't taking the WC very seriously, but I remember the crowds in September that year were pitiful. I also remember that the Sox were just 7-15 without Thomas in the liineup, so his injury around the ASB. Had they just gone 10-12, they might have made the playoffs.

samram
01-03-2005, 11:57 AM
Definitely 2000. The Seattle series leaves me with many painful flashbacks, but that team was quite possibly the best in baseball, during the regular season.

What made it so special was the fact that it was totally unexpected. It was really just supposed to be "The Kids can Play, Part II", with a payroll hovering around just 30 million, but it ended up being so much more. Things really came together in June, when the Sox ripped through Cleveland and New York, and solidified their reputations as a team to be taken seriously. I don't think I'd ever felt prouder or happier to be a White Sox fan.

The 1996 team is also an underrated team. I still have a Sports Illustrated from June of 1996, where they ran a story on the Sox beacuse they were momentarilly tied with Cleveland for the best record in baseball. That team had a legitimate lead off man in Tony Phillips, Robin Ventura and Frank were as good as ever, and Harold was a solid DH. Ray Durham, Ozzie, and Tartabul also were solid fixtures on the team. The Sox were in playoff contention until the last week, but lost out to the Orioles by two games. I still remember how little people seemed to care though. I don't know if people were still upset about the strike or if people still weren't taking the WC very seriously, but I remember the crowds in September that year were pitiful. I also remember that the Sox were just 7-15 without Thomas in the liineup, so his injury around the ASB. Had they just gone 10-12, they might have made the playoffs.
The 1996 team is underrated and it got off to a great start, but were killed by, big surprise, lack of a fifth starter. It also didn't help that Bevington was the manager.

Add me to those who love the 1993 team, although, like other, I would have like the 1994 team the most if it weren't for the little strike thing.

sullythered
01-03-2005, 11:57 AM
The '93 team, mostly because I was thirteen, and it was the first really good team that I followed closely. They were stacked top to bottom.

ja1022
01-03-2005, 12:04 PM
The 1996 team is also an underrated team. The Sox were in playoff contention until the last week, but lost out to the Orioles by two games. I still remember how little people seemed to care though. I don't know if people were still upset about the strike or if people still weren't taking the WC very seriously, but I remember the crowds in September that year were pitiful.
Ahhh....the Terry Bevington era. They were way back in the division race, and I think this was only the second season with a wild card and fans really hadn't taken to the concept yet. And yeah, I'd guess there was still some hangover effect from the strike. There was for me.

soxfan26
01-03-2005, 12:16 PM
1990.

The year after we moved from Naperville to the east coast. It saved me from becomming an O's fan. It also gave a 14 year old kid and his dad something to talk about. It was a great summer.

Nick@Nite
01-03-2005, 12:19 PM
As mentioned previously, my favorite is the current Sox team on the field... 2005 (figuratively speaking).

With that said, I can appreciate this thread. Reading eveyone's take on previous Sox teams is interesting. :smile:

Knucksie
01-03-2005, 12:23 PM
Ahhh, what memories the 1970 team brings to me. 56 wins, the second worst manager in SOX history (Bevington will always be the worst), and under 500,000 in attandance for the year. It was a grand year. Even the announcer (Jack Drees) was bad. Loved going to the games because no one else was there. Could sit anywhere you wanted to and see all the great American League players of the era up close and personal. It's also when I learned as a 7 yr old what "heckling" really is all about. I remember Bert Campaneris (amoung others) getting it good in Old Comiskey with a 7,000 on hand for the game. Bert just smiled. Never got mad, cursed, flipped the bird.


Opening Day Line Up:

1970 NamePos.1.Walt WilliamsRF2.Luis AparicioSS3.Carlos MayLF4.Bill Melton3B5.John Matias1B6.Buddy BradfordCF7.Syd O'Brien2B8.Duane JosephsonC9.Tommy JohnP

tebman
01-03-2005, 12:27 PM
1977 - that summer Old Comiskey truly rocked. There hasn't been a season like it since.Amen to that! The '77 season was magical. What a great time.

Most of us knew that it couldn't last, but we didn't care because we were having so much fun. And I'm pretty sure the players felt the same way. We just enjoyed the moment.

If you look through a copy of "Park Life," the picture book that's full of shots from that season, you get a taste of that ballpark-as-corner-tavern quality that just made you want to be there if you could.

The moral of the story is that we should enjoy today, because tomorrow is promised to no one. :gulp:

- tebman

WinningUgly!
01-03-2005, 12:31 PM
My favorite team, the 2005 white sox.
You got it!


"The past is for cowards and losers."
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tsamdog
01-03-2005, 01:00 PM
Amen to that! The '77 season was magical. What a great time.

Most of us knew that it couldn't last, but we didn't care because we were having so much fun. And I'm pretty sure the players felt the same way. We just enjoyed the moment.

If you look through a copy of "Park Life," the picture book that's full of shots from that season, you get a taste of that ballpark-as-corner-tavern quality that just made you want to be there if you could.

The moral of the story is that we should enjoy today, because tomorrow is promised to no one. :gulp:

- tebman
You are so right, Tebman. I can't tell you how many 'dinners' were spent at McCuddy's, enjoying Ma's Italian sausage before game time. There was no better time or summer that I can remember. The boys seemed to never be out of games, even when behind big....and Soderholm's homer in the fog against KC (?) was truly memorable. If memory serves me, I think that summer was the inaugural season of Nancy's rendition of "Goodbye".

Rocky Soprano
01-03-2005, 01:17 PM
I would have to say 93. That's the year that I became a die hard Sox fan, thanks to my 7th grade homeroom teacher. He game me a slip for free White Sox tickets. I had never gone to a game before that, went to the game and fell in love with the Sox.

tebman
01-03-2005, 01:25 PM
You are so right, Tebman. I can't tell you how many 'dinners' were spent at McCuddy's, enjoying Ma's Italian sausage before game time. There was no better time or summer that I can remember. The boys seemed to never be out of games, even when behind big....and Soderholm's homer in the fog against KC (?) was truly memorable. If memory serves me, I think that summer was the inaugural season of Nancy's rendition of "Goodbye".One of the regrets I have is never having stopped at McCuddy's. If I got to the ballpark early, I always wanted to get inside. It never occurred to me at the time that McCuddy's (and the old ballpark) wouldn't always be there.

That series against KC was un-freaking-believable. Besides the big comeback wins the Sox had, the Royals that year were full of attitude and a sense of entitlement and were genuinely resentful that they were being challenged by the Sox. My memory of the ballpark that year is like one of those old cartoons where the building is throbbing and rocking. It really seemed like the old joint was swaying happily with those wild crowds.

And yeah, it was the year that Na-Na-Hey-Hey became an anthem. Nancy used that tune occasionally to accompany visiting pitchers when they were taken out of a game. With the energy that year (and the frequent removal of visiting pitchers), the crowd just started spontaneously singing along. The rest is history.

- tebman

Jerome
01-03-2005, 03:14 PM
June of 2004.

Unstoppable offense.

TommyJohn
01-03-2005, 05:33 PM
It also didn't help that Bevington was the manager.



BEVINGTON!!!!!
:angry: :mad: :cuss: :duel: :wired: :nuts: :kukoo:

TornLabrum
01-03-2005, 05:38 PM
I'm fond of the 1968-1971 teams. Even though they weren't good, well I guess in 71 they were decent, I'm still drawn to them for some reason.
You know the reason. They had Gail Hopkins!

I don't need to date myself. Everybody knows I'm an OF, so it's obvious that my favorite team is '59.

TommyJohn
01-03-2005, 05:42 PM
1. 1983 was truly the most awesome Sox team in my lifetime. They were an
unstoppable machine in the second half of the season. I didn't watch many
games that year because we didn't have Sportsvision, but I listened to a lot
on the radio and was at a few. (Witnessed Luzinski's first roof shot against
Minnesota.) How that team got thrashed so badly in the playoffs is still beyond me.

2. 1967 End of the Go-Go Era Sox is my favorite team to read about, discuss,
research, what have you. That season must have been a nail-biter from
beginning to end. I still can't believe that they lost a DH to the Kansas City
A's. Still, great games to read about from that season in both the win and loss
column. And Eddie Stanky was one of a kind. If he were the White Sox manager
today, the team would get fried in the media and Mariotti would take cheap shots
at him and scream from on high that Stanky is the devil.

3. 1906 is my second favorite, the legendary Hitless Wonders. No team has
pulled off an accomplishment of their magnitude and had it ignored. Imagine
if the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox or cuddly Cubbies had pulled off a season
like that. One of the great underappreciated teams in baseball history.

SouthSideHitman
01-03-2005, 05:50 PM
Although I have a special place in my heart for the Sox teams that won a World Series (especially 1906 vs. the cubs), I would have to go with the 1993 team. It was before the strike, so we still split season tickets and went to a bunch of games. I was also seven, so I was able to do nothing but live and breath baseball that whole summer. I just loved that team, from the great starters to Frank in his prime to One Dog to the Little Hurt and of course, ROBIN VENTURA!

PaleHoseGeorge
01-03-2005, 05:52 PM
1994 is my favorite Sox team... it's the one and only truly-talented Sox team I can consider over and over again and never have the usual cold reality of being a Sox Fan slap me in the face... well except the usual reality of being completely ****ed.
:cool:

PaulDrake
01-03-2005, 06:20 PM
The 1983 team came down the stretch like Secretariat in the Belmont. To the young fans here, Lee Elia was busy dissing his own fans while the Sox owned Chicago. The lineup was solid, the rotation was tops, what could possibly go wrong? What a let down. Still the best Sox team in my lifetime and my own personal favorite. My second pick would be the 1906 team. They beat the Cubs, who were then Chicago's West Side team. Newspaper accounts of the time mention bereft Cub fans who lost a bundle on their heroes. What a pity.

SuperSteve
01-03-2005, 06:27 PM
1983 is a special team, and I would have loved to been around for that team. My favorite is the 1993 team (as it is my first memories of the White Sox), followed by the 2000 team (when I first started following baseball as close as I do).

batmanZoSo
01-03-2005, 07:20 PM
1990, 2000 and 2003.

Even though 2003 ended in a disaster, it was somewhat bitter sweet. I felt like that was one of the best teams the Sox ever assembled and had the chance, up until the last two weeks of the season, to be major players in the postseason.
Oh man. How the aught-3 team didn't do anything I'll never know. Or now that I think about it, Manuel probably had something to do with it. note: can we designate a color for dramatic understatement? dark red, perhaps? :cool:

My favorite is easily the 93 team. They were my first "good" team as I began really watching full time in late 92 after my first New Comiskey game (which was a trouncing of Minnesota 19-11).

The 93 team (outside of 83, which I never saw, so won't debate) is easily the best team on paper at least since 59, even better than the highly touted 94 team (which not only didn't play out a full year, but had an inferior pitching staff with a very un-McDowell like McDowell). The Good Guys in Black just ran into a great team. I don't know if they were better, we certainly had the better pitching staff, and that usually--well, supposed to anyway--goes a long way in the playoffs. Give me two good Black Jack starts and we win the series in 5 and I imagine we'd have beaten the Philles just as easily as the Blue Jays took care of them. I just loved that team. Loved Raines, Ventura, Thomas, Guillen, Clutch Karko, Lance Johnson, etc. Back when the ballpark was full and those awesome black uniforms were the cutting edge of baseball fashion.

zach074
01-03-2005, 07:26 PM
2000, thats the only year i remember them doing good in since i have been alive.

Sox-on-TV44
01-04-2005, 09:14 AM
My Favorite Sox teams:

1.1977:Bill Veeck's unlikey contending "South Side Hitmen".Setting the bar for Sox teams for years to come as far as fun and excitment.

2.1983:Winning Ugly.Little more offense in the ALCS,and I think we would have got it all.

3.1993:An AL West title,three years too late,but a great team nevertheless.

4.1959:My dad's favorite Sox team,and the last World Series team in Chicago.

5.1981:"Our Kind of Team".If it wern't for that damn strike of '81,I think the Sox may have won the west.But the team came in full bloom in '83.

samram
01-04-2005, 09:38 AM
Oh man. How the aught-3 team didn't do anything I'll never know. Or now that I think about it, Manuel probably had something to do with it. note: can we designate a color for dramatic understatement? dark red, perhaps? :cool:

My favorite is easily the 93 team. They were my first "good" team as I began really watching full time in late 92 after my first New Comiskey game (which was a trouncing of Minnesota 19-11).

The 93 team (outside of 83, which I never saw, so won't debate) is easily the best team on paper at least since 59, even better than the highly touted 94 team (which not only didn't play out a full year, but had an inferior pitching staff with a very un-McDowell like McDowell). The Good Guys in Black just ran into a great team. I don't know if they were better, we certainly had the better pitching staff, and that usually--well, supposed to anyway--goes a long way in the playoffs. Give me two good Black Jack starts and we win the series in 5 and I imagine we'd have beaten the Philles just as easily as the Blue Jays took care of them. I just loved that team. Loved Raines, Ventura, Thomas, Guillen, Clutch Karko, Lance Johnson, etc. Back when the ballpark was full and those awesome black uniforms were the cutting edge of baseball fashion.

Well, the 1994 team had two all-star starting pitchers, Fernandez very easily could have been on the team, and McDowell was hitting his stride just as the strike came. Furthermore, Franco was more than adequately replacing Burks in the lineup, Ventura was having a better year than he did in 1993, DJ was having a really solid season, and Frank was having one of the best offensive years in baseball history. I agree that the 1993 pitching staff was a little better, but the 1994 team had a much better offense, and I think it would have done better in the postseason.

tstrike2000
01-04-2005, 09:52 AM
So many favorite teams. '83 because I was just a kid and the "Winning Ugly" team was awesome....that team should've gone to the World Series. The '90 team because they had nobody great but played so great as a team and scratched their way to 94 wins. The '93 team because of our pitching staff and the emergance of the The Big Hurt as the MVP that year. The '94 team because that team...well, we know the rest...what possibly could've been. And the 2000 team because of the re-emergance of The Big Hurt as what many of us feel was the MVP and a team that was again supposed to do nothing and came out and kicked butt.

eshunn2001
01-04-2005, 10:12 AM
Lemme Just say I hate the CLee trade, I am not too excited about El Duque playing 15 games this year and I really am not a fan of our current ownership. I loved the 93 and 2000 teams But............... My Favorite Whitesox team is the 2005 team. Just because they are the only one of the 83/93/2000 teams that could bring home the World series.

batmanZoSo
01-04-2005, 12:08 PM
Well, the 1994 team had two all-star starting pitchers, Fernandez very easily could have been on the team, and McDowell was hitting his stride just as the strike came. Furthermore, Franco was more than adequately replacing Burks in the lineup, Ventura was having a better year than he did in 1993, DJ was having a really solid season, and Frank was having one of the best offensive years in baseball history. I agree that the 1993 pitching staff was a little better, but the 1994 team had a much better offense, and I think it would have done better in the postseason.
I don't think it was "much" better. Raines especially was better in 93 when he had a .401 on-base, then it dipped to .365 in 94. Lance Johnson went from .311/.354 to .277/.321. Ventura was pretty much the same, he wouldn't have ended up with noticeably better stats in 94 than the previous year. The only improvement was Franco on the 94 squad. And granted that was a big improvement, that not only was he hitting a ton, but he added another fearsome slugger to the lineup and no doubt played a part in Frank's best year ever. (Of course a lot of guys had their best years ever to that point in 94. I swear something was fishy that year. 93 marked the beginning of the hitters era, but 94 was just unreal in that sense.)

93 had much better years from the speed guys, a better staff with McDowell at his best, Alvarez on a complete tear and Alex his usual self (not to mention Roberto was a lot better in 93). I think we could've went all the way in 94, and obviously I think we should've and could've in 93 too. But I still think 93 was the better team all around, especially for playoff time with the pitching and dominant closer. Of course when it came down to it they choked, so I guess it's pointless now. What 94 had going for them was experience. Of the major teams in contention, they were really the only ones who had been there as a group. The Yankees were just climbing out of their early 90s rut and so were the Indians. The Blue Jays I believe were not serous contenders to three-peat at all. We certainly should've been the favorites.

samram
01-04-2005, 12:58 PM
I don't think it was "much" better. Raines especially was better in 93 when he had a .401 on-base, then it dipped to .365 in 94. Lance Johnson went from .311/.354 to .277/.321. Ventura was pretty much the same, he wouldn't have ended up with noticeably better stats in 94 than the previous year. The only improvement was Franco on the 94 squad. And granted that was a big improvement, that not only was he hitting a ton, but he added another fearsome slugger to the lineup and no doubt played a part in Frank's best year ever. (Of course a lot of guys had their best years ever to that point in 94. I swear something was fishy that year. 93 marked the beginning of the hitters era, but 94 was just unreal in that sense.)

93 had much better years from the speed guys, a better staff with McDowell at his best, Alvarez on a complete tear and Alex his usual self (not to mention Roberto was a lot better in 93). I think we could've went all the way in 94, and obviously I think we should've and could've in 93 too. But I still think 93 was the better team all around, especially for playoff time with the pitching and dominant closer. Of course when it came down to it they choked, so I guess it's pointless now. What 94 had going for them was experience. Of the major teams in contention, they were really the only ones who had been there as a group. The Yankees were just climbing out of their early 90s rut and so were the Indians. The Blue Jays I believe were not serous contenders to three-peat at all. We certainly should've been the favorites.
Well, the 94 team was on pace to score about 875 runs or so, about 100 more than the 93 team, that's why I think it was much better. You're right about the bullpen- I remember Hernandez having a horrible stretch in July, I think, wherein he blew 3 or 4 straight saves and the team fell pretty far behind Cleveland before climbing back. Lip would probably remember better than I do. You're also right about the experience factor. The Jays in 93 had Guzman, Stewart, Henderson, Molitor, Joe Carter, and Alomar- guys with lots of postseason experience. The Sox really did have that advantage in 1994- not only were the Yanks and Indians young, but the Rangers were under .500 and leading the west, IIRC, so they probably weren't going to be a threat. Oh well, can't do anything about it now.

If nothing else, the 2005 team has the most complete pitching staff going into the season since the 94 team- the only competition now seems to be for the last couple of BP spots, which I can live with.