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mike squires
01-02-2005, 08:38 PM
Who is not earning their money. Ben Davs with only 38 career HR's, (averages out to be about 5 a year) AVG. of .237 thru 7 seasons...Million plus is just ridiculous. At least Karko could throw out base runners.

MUsoxfan
01-02-2005, 08:41 PM
Carl Everett. He'd better come to camp in shape

RKMeibalane
01-02-2005, 08:41 PM
I'm not sure who it is at the moment. As far as last season was concerned, I think Jose Valentin was without question the most overpaid player.

eastchicagosoxfan
01-02-2005, 08:45 PM
Carl Everett. I think his money is guarnteed, so the Sox can't move his injury prone body unless they want to lose money.

johnny_mostil
01-02-2005, 08:51 PM
Carl Everett. I think his money is guarnteed, so the Sox can't move his injury prone body unless they want to lose money.
Based on last year's numbers, Contreras was the most overpaid.

ChiWhiteSox1337
01-02-2005, 08:57 PM
Based on last year's numbers, Contreras was the most overpaid. I have to agree with this. The sox are paying him $6 million a year after the cash from the yankees is added in. That's a financial number that can kill the white sox if he doesn't perform well because the budget that KW works under. I remember tons of people complaining about the financial strain that was Billy Koch, and he was making around $5 million IIRC. However, I have a feeling Jose C will be pretty good for $6 million a year and we won't have to worry about it.

MUsoxfan
01-02-2005, 08:58 PM
Based on last year's numbers Joe Borchard was the most overpaid. He didn't deserve more than a living wage. Too bad they're not able to charge him a fee for a strikeout

RKMeibalane
01-02-2005, 09:01 PM
Based on last year's numbers Joe Borchard was the most overpaid. He didn't deserve more than a living wage. Too bad they're not able to charge him a fee for a strikeout
I think Borchard is all but finished. He's not going to play this season, unless Everett and Gload get injured. And once Frank comes back, there won't be any room for him anywhere. He won't be able to DH, and with Dye in RF, Borchard won't have a place to play. I'm hoping they're able to get rid of him somehow, but I think every other team knows how bad he is.

Brian26
01-02-2005, 09:07 PM
Based on last year's numbers, Contreras was the most overpaid.
Yeah, this is the guy that immediately came to mind. Seems like the Yankees contract was structured more towards potential than anything else. Hope he can keep it together this year.

konerko1413
01-02-2005, 09:25 PM
its obviously everett, he even said it him self, "That's not even a question. Nobody in their right mind would opt for free agency" and he took the money cuz he knew he wouldnt see anywhere near it as a free agent

NonetheLoaiza
01-02-2005, 09:26 PM
my vote also goes for borchard. it doesn't even matter how much he makes. he hasn't earned a penny.

HomeFish
01-02-2005, 09:30 PM
Shingo Takatsu isn't the most overpaid player on the team by any stretch, but he at least deserves a nomination.

I'll agree with Jose Contreras.

DickAllen72
01-02-2005, 10:02 PM
:whiner: :threadblows:

mdep524
01-03-2005, 02:07 AM
Absolutely no question: Jose Contreras. How could anyone else even compare?

HebrewHammer
01-03-2005, 02:09 AM
Joe Borchard at any price is a ripoff, next time I hear 504 mentioned about him I'm assuming its his career strikeout numbers.

FarWestChicago
01-03-2005, 03:05 AM
Shingo Takatsu isn't the most overpaid player on the team by any stretch, but he at least deserves a nomination.Dude, don't post after too much :smokin: or http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/gulp.gif. I can lead to this when you sober up:

http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/redface.gif

Soxzilla
01-03-2005, 10:36 AM
Dude, don't post after too much :smokin: or http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/gulp.gif. I can lead to this when you sober up:

http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/redface.gif

I have to sort of agree with Homefish on this one. 2.5 million for a closer we aren't even completely sold on yet. Sure he had a fantastic year last year, but doesn't every japanese born pitcher? I just hope we didn't get Chan Ho'd on good ole Shingo.

(teal)But hey, we could be paying 2.5 million to Dustin Hermanson(teal) ... who's basically Shingo ... just not good.

*note - Can't use Teal on this comp, for fear it might delete my entire post, so I economized. :cool:

idseer
01-03-2005, 10:49 AM
I have to sort of agree with Homefish on this one. 2.5 million for a closer we aren't even completely sold on yet
who's 'we'? do you mean you?

MUsoxfan
01-03-2005, 10:49 AM
I have to sort of agree with Homefish on this one. 2.5 million for a closer we aren't even completely sold on yet. Sure he had a fantastic year last year, but doesn't every japanese born pitcher? I just hope we didn't get Chan Ho'd on good ole Shingo.

(teal)But hey, we could be paying 2.5 million to Dustin Hermanson(teal) ... who's basically Shingo ... just not good.

*note - Can't use Teal on this comp, for fear it might delete my entire post, so I economized. :cool:

I don't know man....I happen to like Shingo, like his numbers, and think he comes at a reasonable price. Didn't he come for only $1m last year? I think the $2.5m option is deserved

duke of dorwood
01-03-2005, 10:50 AM
Uribe

MUsoxfan
01-03-2005, 11:06 AM
Billy Koch...I think he is still on the books for one more year. AYE!

I think he's Florida's fiscal responsiblity now. As is typical with a trade

Mickster
01-03-2005, 11:21 AM
I think he's Florida's fiscal responsiblity now. As is typical with a trade
Actually, he's his OWN responsibility now as he is a free agent. Won't be getting $6.75M/yr this time around.....:cool:

veeter
01-03-2005, 11:29 AM
I have an idea let's rip Shingo AFTER he does something wrong. You guys could all get shows on the Score, the station that rips guys on speculation that they'll suck. Shingo was great last year. The numbers bear that out and he'll do the same this year.

gosox41
01-03-2005, 11:33 AM
I think Borchard is all but finished. He's not going to play this season, unless Everett and Gload get injured. And once Frank comes back, there won't be any room for him anywhere. He won't be able to DH, and with Dye in RF, Borchard won't have a place to play. I'm hoping they're able to get rid of him somehow, but I think every other team knows how bad he is.
There's a good chance dinosaur boy will get injured. does it bother anyone else that this guy signed a contract after being in shape for 2003 and then shows up in 2004 20 pounds fatter?

Says a lot about his character.

Gload had a good year last year, but hopefully it wasn't a fluke because if it was Joe B and his jock strap will be out there.


Bob

whitesoxwilkes
01-03-2005, 11:34 AM
Sure he had a fantastic year last year, but doesn't every japanese born pitcher? I just hope we didn't get Chan Ho'd on good ole Shingo.
:cool:
Ummm...Chan Ho Park is Korean.

santo=dorf
01-03-2005, 01:49 PM
Billy Koch...I think he is still on the books for one more year. AYE!
Um, no he isn't. :?:

I nominated Magglio for last year even if he was healthy.

munchman33
01-03-2005, 01:53 PM
I nominated Magglio for last year even if he was healthy.
I agree. For the price he was paid, Magglio certainly didn't produce much. Regardless of injury, he was last year's biggest waste of money.

MUsoxfan
01-03-2005, 01:55 PM
Magglio's definitely a good candidate

SABRSox
01-03-2005, 02:22 PM
I've actually done a little bit of study on this topic. Over at The Hardball Times (http://www.hardballtimes.com)they have a calculator that determines contract value based on win shares. I plugged this in for every White Sox player. For the full results, check out this link (http://http://sabrsox.blogspot.com/2004/11/how-well-do-white-sox-spend-their.html).

Anyway, the worst White Sox contract last year was for Magglio Ordonez. Based on win shares above replacement, the White Sox "lost" $4,969,273 on Maggs' contract.

But, the least valuable player (salary + net win shares value) was Joe Crede. He was worth a whopping $-1,598,381 to the White Sox. To put that in perspective, the next least valuable player was Sandy Alomar Jr., at $-374,732.

MUsoxfan
01-03-2005, 02:30 PM
I've actually done a little bit of study on this topic. Over at The Hardball Times (http://www.hardballtimes.com/)they have a calculator that determines contract value based on win shares. I plugged this in for every White Sox player. For the full results, check out this link (http://http://sabrsox.blogspot.com/2004/11/how-well-do-white-sox-spend-their.html).

Anyway, the worst White Sox contract last year was for Magglio Ordonez. Based on win shares above replacement, the White Sox "lost" $4,969,273 on Maggs' contract.

But, the least valuable player (salary + net win shares value) was Joe Crede. He was worth a whopping $-1,598,381 to the White Sox. To put that in perspective, the next least valuable player was Sandy Alomar Jr., at $-374,732.
Interesting....very interesting and helpful. Thanks

OurBitchinMinny
01-03-2005, 02:58 PM
who's 'we'? do you mean you?
Im with him. His 2nd half wasnt nearly as good as his first half. He still did good overall. Plus the more japanese hitters are seen, the more they get hit. Im not gonna blindly say that he is not even a concern. I know he is something of a cult hero here among most of you, but we have seen how fast most of you turn on a guy when he struggles or goes elsewhere. He is not the #1 concern for me, but he is top 5. He is more suited to be a setup guy

OurBitchinMinny
01-03-2005, 03:01 PM
I have an idea let's rip Shingo AFTER he does something wrong. You guys could all get shows on the Score, the station that rips guys on speculation that they'll suck. Shingo was great last year. The numbers bear that out and he'll do the same this year.
No history bears our that he wont. What happened to nomo, irabu (who wasnt that good in the first place, park). These asian pitchers come to the bigs and people arent familiar with them. Then they get familiar in a big way. How many fly balls to the track did he give up down the stretch last year. Based on last year he deserved his extension, but he needs to do it again. Of course then he will sign elsewhere since we will lowball him

tstrike2000
01-03-2005, 03:40 PM
Borchard and Contreras are currently the most overpaid yes, but I nominate Willie Harris even though I know he doesn't make that much.

hold2dibber
01-03-2005, 04:20 PM
Borchard and Contreras are currently the most overpaid yes, but I nominate Willie Harris even though I know he doesn't make that much.
I know Borchard got a hefty signing bonus way back when, but doesn't he currently just make the major league minimum?

tstrike2000
01-03-2005, 04:42 PM
I know Borchard got a hefty signing bonus way back when, but doesn't he currently just make the major league minimum?
Yeah, that's kinda of a joke and kind of not. I believe he makes the major league minimum but he hasn't played like he's worth even that much.

danimal81
01-03-2005, 08:00 PM
Um, no he isn't. :?:

I nominated Magglio for last year even if he was healthy.

According to dugoutdollars, he is still on the books.
Koch was the kind of trade where a team picks up part of his salary just to get rid of him. And knowing JR, he didn't want to pay all in one year.
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Soxzilla
01-04-2005, 03:24 PM
Ummm...Chan Ho Park is Korean.
I didn't say he was Japanese. And ID, by WE, I meant the White Sox organization. The reason we went out and got Dustin Hermanson is because he can close a game, if the need arises. You don't go out and spend 2.5 million dollars on middle relief you can get at league minimum like Jon Adkins (That is basically all Hermanson is ... talent wise at least :/), especially when your team is run by Jerry Reisndorf.

And Steve, you're right. I should have said, "Most Japanese pitchers that have a good first year":gulp: