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Jabroni
12-28-2004, 10:03 AM
"Hollandsworth in fold, but Cubs' chances in Beltran derby look like long shot"
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/282sd1.htm

"Cubs' timing not right for Beltran"
http://www.suntimes.com/output/cubs/cst-spt-cub28.html
The Cubs aren't prepared to say it publicly, but privately they realize their chances to sign free-agent center fielder Carlos Beltran are dimming by the minute and almost completely extinguished.

While general manager Jim Hendry continues to explore Sammy Sosa trades at a deliberate pace with the New York Mets, Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Royals and Washington Nationals, the Cubs know Beltran has to decide before Jan. 8 whether to remain in Houston or jump to the New York Yankees. The Cubs are no longer viable contenders to sign Beltran because a Sosa deal apparently will take much longer to develop, if it ever does.With all this uncertainty in the air, it should not come as a shock that Hendry said Monday after signing outfielder Todd Hollandsworth to a one-year contract that he "would be comfortable if the season began tomorrow'' with a starting outfield of Sosa in right, Corey Patterson in center and Hollandsworth and Jason Dubois in left.Where is Lip to rip on the Flubs for not dishing out the cash for Beltran either? They could even afford to keep Sosa and sign Beltran; they just don't want to spend the money either. So the Flubs are losing their top offensive player this offseason in Moises Alou and may be replacing him with Todd Hollandsworth and Jason DuBois in LF. Lip already ripped on the White Sox for blowing smoke about being interested in Beltran. But I guess the White Sox are the only team to blow smoke about possible player acquisitions just to sell tickets. :rolleyes: But who knows? Maybe they will end up with Jeromy Burnitz in LF! I don't think his numbers last year were juiced up at all from playing in Coors Field. :tongue:

bennyw41
12-28-2004, 10:24 AM
Where is Lip to rip on the Flubs for not dishing out the cash for Beltran either? They could even afford to keep Sosa and sign Beltran; they just don't want to spend the money either. So the Flubs are losing their top offensive player this offseason in Moises Alou and may be replacing him with Todd Hollandsworth and Jason DuBois in LF. Lip already ripped on the White Sox for blowing smoke about being interested in Beltran.
He probably has you on ignore.

Rocky Soprano
12-28-2004, 10:26 AM
You mean the Cubs are not going to sign Beltran?

I was so sure that they would! That is so sad, too bad for them!

SOXSINCE'70
12-28-2004, 10:31 AM
:whiner: :whiner: :whiner: :whiner:

NOT!!!!

iN THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF BART SIMPSON'S
BULLY NEMESIS NELSON MUNTZ,"HAHA!!"

:supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

Clarkdog
12-28-2004, 10:36 AM
If they do happen to find a sucker for Sosa, don't be surprised if they look to sign Ordonez to an incentive laden deal around Spring Training.

gosox41
12-28-2004, 10:37 AM
Where is Lip to rip on the Flubs for not dishing out the cash for Beltran either? They could even afford to keep Sosa and sign Beltran; they just don't want to spend the money either. So the Flubs are losing their top offensive player this offseason in Moises Alou and may be replacing him with Todd Hollandsworth and Jason DuBois in LF. Lip already ripped on the White Sox for blowing smoke about being interested in Beltran. But I guess the White Sox are the only team to blow smoke about possible player acquisitions just to sell tickets. :rolleyes: But who knows? Maybe they will end up with Jeromy Burnitz in LF! I don't think his numbers last year were juiced up at all from playing in Coors Field. :tongue:

Remember Lip's math. Let X=payroll. Let Y= any positive number that can be never to big. Let Z=and positive number that ahsould automatically be added to y. Add the 3 together and you get wha the Sox payroll should be.

I assume this holds true all teams, whether you care about them or hate them.



Bob

FarWestChicago
12-28-2004, 11:06 AM
Remember Lip's math. Let X=payroll. Let Y= any positive number that can be never to big. Let Z=and positive number that ahsould automatically be added to y. Add the 3 together and you get wha the Sox payroll should be.

I assume this holds true all teams, whether you care about them or hate them.



Bob:roflmao:

TDog
12-28-2004, 11:46 AM
A Cubs fan in the office said the Cubs are going to win 140 games in 2005.

"What if they don't sign Beltran?" asked another Cubs fan.

"Doesn't matter," said the first. If they don't sign Beltran, he explained, Sosa will go down early in the season with an injury and Dubois will step in to hit .417.

As the first fan passed my desk, he said, "White Sox: 0-162."

No wonder I laugh every time a Cubs player gets hurt. (They're going to get overpaid anyway.)

From what I have read, I believe the Cubs are only mentioned as being in the hunt for Beltran by baseball writers who have been perpetuating the fans' belief that he has to go to the Cubs because they are America's team or something. Up to this point, I don't believe the Cubs have ever seriously been looking to sign him, although the corporate line seems to be to the contrary.

Such behavior from the Sox would irk people around here.

Rocky Soprano
12-28-2004, 11:52 AM
A Cubs fan in the office said the Cubs are going to win 140 games in 2005.

"What if they don't sign Beltran?" asked another Cubs fan.

"Doesn't matter," said the first. If they don't sign Beltran, he explained, Sosa will go down early in the season with an injury and Dubois will step in to hit .417.

As the first fan passed my desk, he said, "White Sox: 0-162."

No wonder I laugh every time a Cubs player gets hurt. (They're going to get overpaid anyway.)

From what I have read, I believe the Cubs are only mentioned as being in the hunt for Beltran by baseball writers who have been perpetuating the fans' belief that he has to go to the Cubs because they are America's team or something. Up to this point, I don't believe the Cubs have ever seriously been looking to sign him, although the corporate line seems to be to the contrary.

Such behavior from the Sox would irk people around here.
Tell them to put their money where there mouth is. That shuts them up ratherly quickly.

Lip Man 1
12-28-2004, 12:46 PM
Jabroni:

When the Sox have a 95 million dollar payroll I'll back off.

Try running this through your computers.....the top ten payrolls last season produced nine winning records, six of the eight available playoff spots, both league champions and the World Series winner.

or how about this statement from Bud Selig March 2002:

"The record is clear. From 1995 through 2001, a total of 224 MLB postseason games were played. Only five were won by clubs whose payrolls were in the lower half of the industry. None advanced past the Division Series, and no team, other than those whose payrolls are in the top fourth of payroll, has won a World Series game during this period. The seven-year postseason record is 219-5 in favor of the high payroll teams"

Those are the statistical facts Jabroni something I'm sure you and your ilk can easily understand.

The dumbing down of Sox fans continues...

It will be interesting to see if you are still making 100 posts per day and are as giddily optimistic come July if the Sox are only a few games over .500 and six or eight games out.

We'll see.

Lip

Foulke29
12-28-2004, 01:05 PM
As the first fan passed my desk, he said, "White Sox: 0-162."


Care to post that jerkie's e-mail address here? :redneck

SoxFan76
12-28-2004, 01:37 PM
He probably has you on ignore.
:rolling:

soltrain21
12-28-2004, 02:26 PM
The Cubs have done nothing to improve this offseason. They are going to be looking up yet again, me thinks.

chaz171
12-28-2004, 02:45 PM
:jontrade me!!!

Vsahajpal
12-28-2004, 02:53 PM
The Cubs have done nothing to improve this offseason. They are going to be looking up yet again, me thinks.
What? They fired Wendell Kim!

Whitesox029
12-28-2004, 04:46 PM
You mean the Cubs are not going to sign Beltran?

I was so sure that they would! That is so sad, too bad for them! God, I love teal.

soxnut
12-28-2004, 10:46 PM
Jabroni:


The dumbing down of Sox fans continues...


Lip
Thank God we're getting dumber, maybe we'll actually be able to enjoy our lives more........:bandance:

WhiteSoxFan84
12-29-2004, 12:02 AM
If the Cubs win the World Series THIS year (2004), they will sign Carlos Beltran.

MUsoxfan
12-29-2004, 12:23 AM
If the Cubs win the World Series THIS year (2004), they will sign Carlos Beltran.
By "win", do you mean "won"? Otherwise I don't get it. In fact, even if they had won the W.S. they probably wouldn't have gotten him. They still wouldn't be able to dump the Sosa contract, and they'd have roughly the same amount of money to work with

WhiteSoxFan84
12-29-2004, 12:41 AM
By "win", do you mean "won"? Otherwise I don't get it. In fact, even if they had won the W.S. they probably wouldn't have gotten him. They still wouldn't be able to dump the Sosa contract, and they'd have roughly the same amount of money to work with

...... it was a joke. I don't think it was teal worthy because pretty much what I was saying was that they have as good of a chance to sign Beltran as they do to win (or chance they had) the World Series this year.

MUsoxfan
12-29-2004, 12:45 AM
...... it was a joke. I don't think it was teal worthy because pretty much what I was saying was that they have as good of a chance to sign Beltran as they do to win (or chance they had) the World Series this year.
Joke duly noted (and laughed at)...because you're right

WhiteSoxFan84
12-29-2004, 01:16 AM
FWIW, Buster Onley is saying that the Yankees are willing to give Beltran a deal worth $115-$120 million (has to be for 7 years, which would equal out to about $16-$17 mill per). He also said that the Astros would offer him less and eventually Beltran would take the money.

I still think he'll stay with the Astros. In the beginning of the season, while he was with the Kansas City Royals and they were in New York, he said that a fan asked him, "WHY DON'T YOU PLAY HERE NEXT YEAR, WE'LL GIVE YOU ALL THE MONEY YOU WANT". Beltran said he thought about it, and always thinks about it, but doesn't know if he wants to play in the big city.

Didn't Carl Pavano supposedly say the samething? Hypocrits upset me. :angry:

DrCrawdad
12-29-2004, 01:57 AM
What? They fired Wendell Kim!

That move did in fact improve the Cubs.

Also, this isn't in response to you but on the topic of the Cubs and the Beltran sweepstakes. I'll count the Cubs out of the Beltran sweepstakes when he signs with some other team. Until then, it's all mere speculation.

VIC, I haven't "spoken" with you in a while. Good to "hear" from you.

CubKilla
12-29-2004, 12:07 PM
Thank God we're getting dumber, maybe we'll actually be able to enjoy our lives more........:bandance:
I'm glad you're content on cheering for .500 baseball with the occasional first place finish with a 3-and-out every decade or so :rolleyes:

doublem23
12-29-2004, 12:13 PM
I'm glad you're content on cheering for .500 baseball with the occasional first place finish with a 3-and-out every decade or so :rolleyes:
I don't know how many of us are content, but it does beat being unwaveringly pessimistic all the time. The sun has to shine every now and then.

Vsahajpal
12-29-2004, 12:17 PM
That move did in fact improve the Cubs.

Also, this isn't in response to you but on the topic of the Cubs and the Beltran sweepstakes. I'll count the Cubs out of the Beltran sweepstakes when he signs with some other team. Until then, it's all mere speculation.

VIC, I haven't "spoken" with you in a while. Good to "hear" from you.
And you as well, sir. Happy Holidays.

chaz171
12-29-2004, 12:23 PM
The dumbing down of Sox fans continues...


Say no more!

DrCrawdad
12-30-2004, 12:01 AM
Also, this isn't in response to you but on the topic of the Cubs and the Beltran sweepstakes. I'll count the Cubs out of the Beltran sweepstakes when he signs with some other team. Until then, it's all mere speculation.


That DrCrawdad is one wise guy...

"I don't know why people are writing the Cubs aren't in it because they have to trade Sammy Sosa first," Scott Boras said. "We're only talking about one more year [on Sosa's contract]. Who in their right mind would think you could not accommodate signing Carlos Beltran because of that?" - Cubune, December 30, 2004