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Fenway
12-27-2004, 05:47 PM
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''I am no longer a fan,'' says Epstein. ''I am no longer that kid who was rooting for the Red Sox, and thank God! Because if I were, it would be impossible for me to do my job.'' (White/Packert Photos)

The Boston Sunday Globe takes a look at what makes Theo Epstein tick.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2004/12/26/the_architect/

After the 4 p.m. deadline had passed, and after being reassured by his deputies that he had been right to unload face-of-the-franchise Nomar Garciaparra for a pair of comparative unknowns - Orlando Cabrera and Doug Mientkiewicz - Epstein walked out of his Fenway office. As he began making his way to the TV cameras, his cellphone rang. It was Paul.

"What happened?" his brother asked.

"What do you mean?" Theo responded.

"That's all you guys got for Nomar?"

"Paul, these are good players. This is a really good trade."

"Well, I'm listening to talk radio now."

Normally, Theo says, he has no interest in hearing about the chatter on WEEI. This time was different. "All right, what are they saying?"

"You're getting killed. People are furious that Nomar was traded for a couple of .240 hitters."

MUsoxfan
12-27-2004, 05:54 PM
Start scultping the statue now of the man that brought the ring to Boston. Have they renamed Yawkey to Epstein Ave yet Fenway? haha

soltrain21
12-27-2004, 06:06 PM
If I could be any man in this world it would be Theo Epstein.

Jabroni
12-27-2004, 06:09 PM
If I could be any man in this world it would be Theo Epstein.I'd rather be Ron Jeremy. :tongue:

doublem23
12-27-2004, 10:17 PM
If I could be any man in this world it would be Theo Epstein.
I agree.... Being credited a genius for putting together a World Champ with $100 million? What a gig.

voodoochile
12-27-2004, 10:19 PM
I agree.... Being credited a genius for putting together a World Champ with $100 million? What a gig.
More like $130M wasn't it?

Jabroni
12-27-2004, 10:26 PM
More like $130M wasn't it?$131,400,000 to be exact. :wink:

http://dugoutdollars.blogspot.com/2003_11_16_dugoutdollars_archive.html

Must be rough to sign all the best players with that much dough. :rolleyes: Our payroll is about half of Boston's payroll. :(:

batmanZoSo
12-27-2004, 11:15 PM
If I could be any man in this world it would be Theo Epstein.
I'd have to change my name, though.

soltrain21
12-27-2004, 11:28 PM
I'd have to change my name, though.
Oh heck yeah.


The guy has it made, though. He is on top of the world right now, genius or not.

Fenway
12-28-2004, 08:59 PM
I agree.... Being credited a genius for putting together a World Champ with $100 million? What a gig.
A lot of the payroll Boston has was left over fom the Yawkey-Harrington-Duquette era.

You can't take the Nomar trade away from him.

Here is something to ponder before you bemoan the Red Sox payroll. The White Sox make more of a profit than Boston does. The team "loses" money because of debt service on the purchase. NESN keeps them afloat.

JR's biggest mistake? Selling Sportsvision.

Mohoney
12-28-2004, 09:05 PM
:whocares:chunks

This postseason and offseason have been absolutely brutal. I can't wait until somebody else wins a World Series and this hoopla finally goes away.

Jjav829
12-28-2004, 11:11 PM
If I could be any man in this world it would be Theo Epstein.
He wouldn't even be my first choice from the Boston area. I'd go with Tom Brady. :cool:

This is starting to sound like a batmanZoSo thread. :smile:

doublem23
12-28-2004, 11:16 PM
A lot of the payroll Boston has was left over fom the Yawkey-Harrington-Duquette era.
Guys like Pedro and Manny Ramirez. Being stuck with those guys, another tough break! :rolleyes:

You can play the "underdog" card all you want, but the fact is the Red Sox bought their way into the postseason and then got lucky and hot at the right time. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but this was no "miracle" by any stretch of the imagination.

Whitesox029
12-29-2004, 12:08 AM
:whocares:

Whitesox029
12-29-2004, 12:16 AM
dang mohoney you beat me to it

WhiteSoxFan84
12-29-2004, 12:58 AM
Whether they bought it or not, the bottomline is THEY GOT IT. Do we? Nope. Until we do, we will all look upto to Theo and the BoSox and keep asking ourselves, when will we win it?

Stop the moneybag excuses. Luccino wants to win. Steinbrener wants to win. Reinsdorf SAYS he wants to win. There's is a difference. And it's not only in the payroll.

MUsoxfan
12-29-2004, 01:03 AM
I do believe that JR wants to win and KW certainly wants to win, and payroll is a HUGE part of it. It's alot easier to work with $130m than $75m. Payroll isn't necessarily a recipe for success, but it helps

WhiteSoxFan84
12-29-2004, 02:10 AM
I've said this before, I'll say it again;

Let's play pretend here as I will make up figures and scenarios.

Currently, the value of the White Sox franchise is (we are playing pretend here) $250,000,000.

Currently, the White Sox payroll is $70,000,000.

Currently, the White Sox fixed costs = $25,000,000.

Currently, the White Sox generate $100,000,000 revenue each year.

For the past 4 years, each year, the White Sox have had a profit of $5,000,000.

In 2006, the White Sox decide to go for it all and spend a lot of money. Their payroll reaches $90,000,000.

In 2006, fixed costs = $25,000,000.

In 2006, White Sox win the division, are a good team, but get eliminated in the first round of the playoffs. Because of increased attendance, increased TV ratings, playoff revenues, and increased merchandise revenues, the White Sox generate $110,000,000 in revenue.

In 2006, the White Sox come up short of their goal and lose $5,000,000.

In 2007, White Sox decide to increase payroll once again to fill some holes they overlooked in 2005. Their new payroll; $100,000,000.

In 2007, fixed costs remain at $25,000,000.

In 2007, the White Sox win the division, make it to the ALCS, but lose in 6 games to the Seattle Mariners. During 2007, White Sox experience numerous sellouts, highest TV ratings ever, increased playoff revenues, and increased merchandise sales. In 2007, the White Sox generate $130,000,000 in revenue.

In 2007, the White Sox make it to the ALCS and make $5,000,000.

In 2008, the White Sox have had enough and want the ultimate title. The realize the price they have to pay and pay it; to the tune of $120,000,000.

In 2008, Fixed Costs have slightly increased as the stadium is experiencing added volume and the managers, executives, etc., are due payraises. Costs are now at $30,000,000.

In 2008, the White Sox win their division, make it to the ALCS, defeat the Boston Red Sox in the ALCS in 7 games, and they face the Chicago Cubs in the World Series, which the Sox win in 5 games.

In 2008, the White Sox set franchise records in attendance, ratings, merchandise revenue, and oh yeh, they win the World Series. 2008 revenue? $180,000,000.

In 2008, White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf profits $30,000,000.

In 2009, Reinsdorf sells the White Sox to the Chicago Sun-Times for $500,000,000.

MUsoxfan
12-29-2004, 03:06 AM
Looks like someone has put an awful lot of time into imaginary numbers. Even in an imaginary world, JR never profits $30m