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CecilCooper
12-22-2004, 05:11 PM
If you could only have one, who would it be, and why? AJ Pierzynski, David Eckstein, or Alex Cora?

soxfan43
12-22-2004, 05:14 PM
i'll take eckstein. For the most part catcher isn't an offensive position and since AJ is a douchebag, forget him. Davis/Burke will be decent enough, can't have all stars everywhere. Cora and Willie are the same player, Eckstein and Willie can platoon at 2nd and eckstein can play short as well, he seems to be a better fit. But then again I wouldn't be surprised to see Cora join his brother over here.

Jabroni
12-22-2004, 05:15 PM
I wouldn't mind Pierzynski's bat at catcher but I don't want the team cancer that he also brings with him.

Eckstein is the final piece of the puzzle. He would hedge our bets with Crede and Willie and make a good SS/2B for us.

SpartanSoxFan
12-22-2004, 05:17 PM
The sorry thing is we have multiple pieces missing from the puzzle...:(:

CecilCooper
12-22-2004, 05:18 PM
He would hedge our bets with Crede and Willie and make a good SS/2B for us.
This is the key I think. Eckstein is superior offensively and probably defensively to Alex Cora. (And certainly Willie) Uribe has already proven he can be a super-sub infielder, so he can play 2nd and 3rd as need be.

Gooooo Eckstein!

CecilCooper
12-22-2004, 05:19 PM
The sorry thing is we have multiple pieces missing from the puzzle...:(:
Ah yea, but only the budget for one piece. Come on, we need to think like Jerry here...

HomeFish
12-22-2004, 05:19 PM
Ack. I thought this was "who WILL be the final piece of the puzzle", not "who do you want to final piece to be".

So I voted Cora, when really I would have voted for A.J. We need a real catcher more than we need an infielder.

BRDSR
12-22-2004, 06:00 PM
Eckstein is the final piece of the puzzle. He would hedge our bets with Crede and Willie and make a good SS/2B for us.
This is the key. It isn't so much that Willie will be replaced by Eckstein. I personally don't want to see Willie hedged out of this roster. What this move would do is give us two men who can both play short and second, and one of whom can play third. This would give us a ton of flexibility if Willie/Crede struggle early on. Eckstein is an improved version of Graffanino because he's a smart contact hitter who can play multiple positions. On top of that he's faster and he's got more potential. I'm salivating at the thought.

A. Cavatica
12-22-2004, 06:21 PM
"Final piece"? LOL.

Ted Williams.

EvilJester99
12-22-2004, 06:24 PM
I think KW should sign Eckstein. He is the exact type of "grinder" player KW says he wants. Eckstein is a balls to wall type of player. Plus he can play 2b and SS. JMO

Jabroni
12-22-2004, 06:25 PM
"Final piece"? LOL.

Ted Williams.:dtroll:

PaleHoseGeorge
12-22-2004, 06:26 PM
Willie Harris showed himself to be hardly more than a platoon player and 2B/outfield back up. Anything to bench one of our #9 hitters is a step in the right direction.

Get Eckstein.
:thumbsup:

:crede
"Yeah, get Eckstein! That way I get another year to crap my pants everyday!"

Palehose13
12-22-2004, 06:27 PM
Isn't Eckstein like Viagra for KW, or is that Erstad...or both? I get confused. Awe, heck. I think it'll be Eck and I will be happy with that.

fquaye149
12-22-2004, 06:30 PM
Isn't Eckstein like Viagra for KW, or is that Erstad...or both? I get confused. Awe, heck. I think it'll be Eck and I will be happy with that. It's erstad...but I think the whole Garland for Erstad deal is dead at this point.


here's what I wonder: We all admit that Willie is not a big time hitter or even a little time hitter...but are Cora's numbers all that much better than his...Looking at his line...it's not impressiven - he looks like a mid to low .200 hitter with a reasonable ability to draw walks, but not much better than a mid to high .300's obp and very little power or SB speed...

Eckstein's contact numbers are generally pretty decent...high .200's...but his obp is still mid .300's and no power and 20 something SB speed.

Compare that to Willie's year last year of .262/.343 and 20 SB and are these guys all that big of upgrades?

I've never seen Cora or Eckstein play and I'm not big on going purely on stats - so what is the upside of signing them over Willie, besides marginal (at best) offensive upgrades?

And please don't say defense, because Willie/Uribe up the middle doesn't really give up all that much on D

batmanZoSo
12-22-2004, 06:38 PM
For the last time, people, it ain't numbers with these two. Willie's stupid, Eckstein's smart. Eckstein's an every day player, Willie hasn't done anything to earn that. Eckstein's a winner, Willie's a loser. That's how I see it.

fquaye149
12-22-2004, 06:40 PM
For the last time, people, it ain't numbers with these two. Willie's stupid, Eckstein's smart. Eckstein's an every day player, Willie hasn't done anything to earn that. Eckstein's a winner, Willie's a loser. That's how I see it.
I still don't understand - Willie had a starting job last year and put up the exact same numbers Eckstein's put up while earning his job... What does Eckstein do? Does he bunt? Run the bases well?

Anything substantial at all would be appreciated especially if we think of adding 3 million some in payroll to get virtually the same production.

johnny_mostil
12-22-2004, 06:43 PM
The sorry thing is we have multiple pieces missing from the puzzle...:(:
You're being too negative, Spartan. The division is full of teams missing puzzle pieces, and teams like the Yankees are signing Puzzle Piece Imitators.

batmanZoSo
12-22-2004, 06:48 PM
What does Eckstein do? Does he bunt? Run the bases well?

Right. He's just a smart player. He'll throw to the right base, hit it where it's supposed to be hit and at the right time.

What else should we spend the money on? Do you want 6 starters?

PaleHoseGeorge
12-22-2004, 06:53 PM
....
What else should we spend the money on? Do you want 6 starters?
Well now that you mention it, I wouldn't mind five starters with Garland in the bullpen. The less we need out of rockhead, the better.
:cool:

batmanZoSo
12-22-2004, 07:03 PM
Well now that you mention it, I wouldn't mind five starters with Garland in the bullpen. The less we need out of rockhead, the better.
:cool:
This is his breakout year, I promise. :rolleyes:

DickAllen72
12-22-2004, 07:07 PM
Gotta go with Eckstein as the missing piece of the puzzle.

Now if the Yankees want to give us Vasquez and Posada for Konerko and Garland..... :smile:

PaleHoseGeorge
12-22-2004, 07:08 PM
This is his breakout year, I promise.
Yeah yeah yeah, I've heard it all before.
:cool:

:jon
"That's just the way I pitch."

NonetheLoaiza
12-22-2004, 09:40 PM
I am very happy with what Kenny has done this offseason. He completed the rotation, shored up the bullpen, got us a leadoff hitter/basestealing threat, and will hopefully get us a second basemen. Our offseason could have been alot worse. I have said it a couple times before on this board, but the long ball has gotten us nothing better than 2nd place the past 4 seasons. Losing Maggs and Carlos could be the best thing to happen to this team, because it FORCES them to do the little things. Hopefully the attitude changes from 'lets win this with a bases empty grand slam' to 'lets get guys on base, over, and home'. We still have power in the lineup, but grinders like Eck and Podsednik can put us on the right track to winning the division by doing the small things. Maybe, just maybe, we will have another flag on the outfield poles.

batmanZoSo
12-22-2004, 09:48 PM
Yeah yeah yeah, I've heard it all before.
:cool:

LMAO! Gotta love that pic.

:jon
(pfffft) Ahh......


Jon Garland--the walking brain-fart.

jabrch
12-22-2004, 09:53 PM
Carlos Beltran? :D:

cburns
12-22-2004, 10:09 PM
The reason why Willie sucks is because he is so inconsistent. He will have a good stretch of 4 days, then he will do absolutely nothing for 2 or 3 weeks. That is what this team DOESNT need. We need more consistentency, and I think Cora or Eckstein is much more consistent.

MeanFish
12-22-2004, 10:30 PM
Carlos Beltran is clearly the missing link. Clearly.

Whitesox029
12-22-2004, 11:23 PM
The sorry thing is we have multiple pieces missing from the puzzle...:(:That's news to me. We filled the RF hole, the RP hole, the SP hole...We don't so much have a hole at catcher anymore as, say, a divot. I'm happy with Davis/Burke...you can't have everything.

NardiWasHere
12-22-2004, 11:34 PM
Missing Puzzle Piece = :canseco

Could we also sign his brother Ozzie? Think of the endless comedic possibilities! The Canseco Bros. are good for about 3.5 bar fights a year each.

Norberto7
12-23-2004, 12:18 AM
Missing Puzzle Piece =

Could we also sign his brother Ozzie? Think of the endless comedic possibilities! The Canseco Bros. are good for about 3.5 bar fights a year each.


That is true, a right fielder and a pitcher in one...

hosieryofthegods
12-23-2004, 05:44 AM
One thing you also have to look at is Willie vs. LHP. He batted .181 against them last year in only 72 ab's. Eckstein hit .279 in 172. Eckstein seems to hit the same against both RHP and LHP. Not to mention the intangibles...like a brain on the basepaths. Also Eckstein had about 25 less K's last year in 155 more ab's. The only thing being Eckstein is a righty. So it will take away from the righty/lefty mix, but he just seems to be a better hitter overall. Eckstein vs. Cora isn't as lopsided, but Eckstein is still statistically better.