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Clement's beard
12-17-2004, 01:28 PM
I would say BS if I did not hear it with my own ears.

Woah boy. Will Carrol just said on sporting news radio that the Cubs have entered the mix and are prepared to offer Sosa, Farnsworth and Guzman to the Diamond backs. In turn the cubs would get Johnson and ship him to the yankees for Vasquez. Carroll said the cubs want Beltran and need to dump Sosa to make it happen.


HOLY MOLY!

wdelaney72
12-17-2004, 01:37 PM
Forget to mention the words "and lots of Cash" to the Cubs offer. There's no way AZ takes on Sosa's contract.

Also, I think Vazquez makes 10.5 million in 2005, 11.5 in 2006 and 12.5 in 2007. That does not free up any money for them to sign Beltran.

I doubt the Cubs are involved in this deal.

Clement's beard
12-17-2004, 01:43 PM
Will Carroll, now that I think about it, has never been right about anything. I'm sure he was just stirring the pot. Interesting scenario but I doubt it will happen.

MRKARNO
12-17-2004, 01:43 PM
Where would Vazquez go in this scenario? Arizona? Would the Cubs want him? It makes sense on the Sosa substitutes for Greenk, Farnsworth for Brazoban and Guzman for Penny part of it, but what would the Cubs get? I guess they would take on Vazquez in this situation because they would be getting rid of a guy that they had slotted for the future rotation. Would they also get Navarro and Duncan? If the Cubs get Navarro, Duncan and Vazquez out of Farnsworth, Sosa and Guzman, then Hendry should be awarded GM of the year on the spot. That would be a very good move for the Cubs.

MRKARNO
12-17-2004, 01:45 PM
Will Carroll, now that I think about it, has never been right about anything. I'm sure he was just stirring the pot. Interesting scenario but I doubt it will happen.
Will probably has a decent source on this, but I dont think they are as good as say, Ken Rosenthal's sources. I dont think he is just stirring the pot as this is not the first time that I've heard about this though I can recall what was.

Flight #24
12-17-2004, 01:46 PM
Will probably has a decent source on this, but I dont think they are as good as say, Ken Rosenthal's sources. I dont think he is just stirring the pot as this is not the first time that I've heard about this though I can recall what was.
For independent confirmation of this proposed trade, check here: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=550115&postcount=79

Now we know it's real!

MRKARNO
12-17-2004, 02:29 PM
On second thought, the other place I heard it was Will Carroll's Blog

Kogs35
12-17-2004, 02:43 PM
On second thought, the other place I heard it was Will Carroll's Blog
any1 who works for tsn except ken rosenthal are morons

MRKARNO
12-17-2004, 02:52 PM
any1 who works for tsn except ken rosenthal are morons
WIll Carroll doesnt work for "The Sporting News," he works for Baseball Prospectus.

Kogs35
12-17-2004, 02:55 PM
WIll Carroll doesnt work for "The Sporting News," he works for Baseball Prospectus.
he is even a bigger moron then.

MRKARNO
12-17-2004, 02:58 PM
he is even a bigger moron then.
Your logic is impeccable.

doublem23
12-17-2004, 03:09 PM
he is even a bigger moron then.:)

The guys at BP are OK for analysis, but they're even worse than ESPN dealing with rumors and what not.

Nard
12-17-2004, 03:13 PM
Yeah, they have great analysis. Because, if you lay off Contreras's splitter, it's "Game Over!" am i rite?

California Sox
12-17-2004, 04:20 PM
Sosa, Farnsworth, and Guzman? Their two biggest problems and a sore armed prospect? That would be a deal made in heaven for the loveable Cubbies. Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

Clement's beard
12-17-2004, 07:31 PM
As we await word on Clement, there is indeed a 4th team involved in this potential Randy Johnson deal.

:o: http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3254634 (http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3254634)