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anewman35
12-16-2004, 08:58 AM
I haven't seen this mentioned here (or anywhere else, actually), but according to today's ATM Report:

The Whitesox re-signed 2B Juan Uribe to a 3 year, $9.75 million
contract, to avoid salary arbitration.

rwcescato
12-16-2004, 08:58 AM
I heard on the score this morning that the Sox signed a 3 year deal
with Uribe for 9.75 million. I haven't seen or heard this anywhere else
but it sure seems like a lot of money. All of a sudden the owners are
going off the wagon again. Just when you thought salaries were
settling down.

wdelaney72
12-16-2004, 08:59 AM
Uh, that's JUAN Uribe.

Frater Perdurabo
12-16-2004, 09:00 AM
I haven't seen this mentioned here (or anywhere else, actually), but according to today's ATM Report:

Wow. $3 million+ per year for Juan Uribe. Methinks that is overpaying...

Ol' No. 2
12-16-2004, 09:00 AM
I heard on the score this morning that the Sox signed a 3 year deal
with Uribe for 9.75 million. I haven't seen or heard this anywhere else
but it sure seems like a lot of money. All of a sudden the owners are
going off the wagon again. Just when you thought salaries were
settling down.That's everyone's cue to start complaining about the Sox spending money again.:(:

rwcescato
12-16-2004, 09:01 AM
Uh, that's JUAN Uribe.
Oops. Ben is a guy that works for me. Sorry.

gosox41
12-16-2004, 09:03 AM
Wow. $3 million+ per year for Juan Uribe. Methinks that is overpaying...
If he has an .833 OPS and plays good defense at SS, it's a decent signing by the Sox.


Bob

HebrewHammer
12-16-2004, 09:04 AM
Waive good-bye to Matt Clement.

anewman35
12-16-2004, 09:06 AM
Waive good-bye to Matt Clement.
I'm sure the team took into account raises for people like Uribe when they planned the payroll for this year.

JRIG
12-16-2004, 09:16 AM
If he has an .833 OPS and plays good defense at SS, it's a decent signing by the Sox.


BobYeah, although Todd Walker will still make less, this shouldn't be a terrible signing for the Sox. Uribe is young, played better last year, and someone has to play the middle infield.

infohawk
12-16-2004, 09:17 AM
Wow. $3 million+ per year for Juan Uribe. Methinks that is overpaying...
Not when you consider what is beginning to happen in the players market. The apparent "correction" in the value of players over the past couple of years has once again given way to inflating salaries. Look at Omar Vizquel and what he got at his age.

gosox41
12-16-2004, 09:20 AM
Not when you consider what is beginning to happen in the players market. The apparent "correction" in the value of players over the past couple of years has once again given way to inflating salaries. Look at Omar Vizquel and what he got at his age.
I agree. Over the next 3 years (barring injury) I think Uribe will be more productive then Vizquel or Guzman. Both guys are getting more money then Uribe.


Bob

jabrch
12-16-2004, 09:24 AM
Given Guzman's deal with the Spos/Nats, this is a good signing. Uribe can also play 2B and 3B as needed. I don't have a problem with this.

Incidentally, who is Uribe's agent? Isn't it Boras? Seems KW can deal with Boras after all?

Dolanski
12-16-2004, 09:25 AM
http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sox16.html

In the notes section,

The Sox avoided arbitration with shortstop Juan Uribe, reaching a three-year, $9.75 million deal, sources said. Uribe will make $2.15 million next season, $3.15 million in 2006 and $4.15 million in 2007. The team has a $5 million option for 2008 with a buyout of $300,000.

That doesn't sound that bad to me. And I am willing to be that Uribe is a better 2b than Walker, defensively AND offensively...

Frater Perdurabo
12-16-2004, 09:26 AM
Given Guzman's deal with the Spos/Nats, this is a good signing. Uribe can also play 2B and 3B as needed. I don't have a problem with this.

Understand that I don't really care how much player X makes or if player Y is "overpaid." It's not my money. I just hope that signing Uribe at this amount does not prevent the Sox from signing Clement or Perez - or using the Uribe deal as an excuse to cover up their unwillingness to pay for superior starting pitching. :cool:

Frater Perdurabo
12-16-2004, 09:30 AM
Not when you consider what is beginning to happen in the players market. The apparent "correction" in the value of players over the past couple of years has once again given way to inflating salaries. Look at Omar Vizquel and what he got at his age.

I'm not that old (28), but I remember when Kirby Puckett was the highest-paid MLB player at $3 million per year, only to be supplanted less than a year later by the inaugural member of the 40-40 club, Jose Canseco, at $5 million per year. Please tell me it wasn't that long ago.

DaveIsHere
12-16-2004, 09:32 AM
I'm not that old (28), but I remember when Kirby Puckett was the highest-paid MLB player at $3 million per year, only to be supplanted less than a year later by the inaugural member of the 40-40 club, Jose Canseco, at $5 million per year. Please tell me it wasn't that long ago. :whistle:

Mickster
12-16-2004, 09:37 AM
I'm not that old (28), but I remember when Kirby Puckett was the highest-paid MLB player at $3 million per year, only to be supplanted less than a year later by the inaugural member of the 40-40 club, Jose Canseco, at $5 million per year. Please tell me it wasn't that long ago.
*cough* ARod */cough*

kittle42
12-16-2004, 09:37 AM
If I hear one more person complain about the Sox overpaying for anybody (unless it's 10 million a year to Joe Borchard), I am going to freak.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

So I ask you apparent Jerry backers - what gives you more enjoyment - winning ballgames or ownership's "fiscal responsibility?"

SEALgep
12-16-2004, 09:38 AM
If I hear one more person complain about the Sox overpaying for anybody (unless it's 10 million a year to Joe Borchard), I am going to freak.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

So I ask you apparent Jerry backers - what gives you more enjoyment - winning ballgames or ownership's "fiscal responsibility?"OOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOO Fiscal Responsibility :bandance: :D:

MRKARNO
12-16-2004, 09:54 AM
Wow. $3 million+ per year for Juan Uribe. Methinks that is overpaying...

Methinks that Juan Uribe is the next Miguel Tejada....

jabrch
12-16-2004, 09:57 AM
Understand that I don't really care how much player X makes or if player Y is "overpaid." It's not my money.

It's all about market value. You can't judge overpayed based on performance - since they haven't performed yet. You are paying them for what you expect. Hindsight will eventually judge that. You bid for players based on the market - and what the market will bear. Just my take on it.


I just hope that signing Uribe at this amount does not prevent the Sox from signing Clement or Perez - or using the Uribe deal as an excuse to cover up their unwillingness to pay for superior starting pitching. :cool:

Agreed - and I can't see this being the case. Signing Uribe to a 3 year deal should have no bearing on KWs chase for another guy in the rotation. I can't see that possibly being the case. KWs chase for a starter will succeed or fail based on pitchers desire to come here. I still think getting Vazquez and cash from the Yanks by getting in the middlle of a RJ trade might be our best hope.

Mickster
12-16-2004, 09:59 AM
KWs chase for a starter will succeed or fail based on pitchers desire to come here. I still think getting Vazquez and cash from the Yanks by getting in the middlle of a RJ trade might be our best hope.
Not really our best hope as I am sure that we would have to give up Garland in the deal and still have no 5th starter....

California Sox
12-16-2004, 10:11 AM
If he has an .833 OPS and plays good defense at SS, it's a decent signing by the Sox.


Bob
Absolutely. Compare that to what Orlando Cabrera is going to make. I've always thought Uribe was more valuable at ss because he is a good defensive shortstop. It's a lot easier to get an adequate 2b, although it remains to be seen if we will have one. I haven't 100% given up on Willie yet, but he has to be a little better than he was last year or he's a utility player.

SSN721
12-16-2004, 10:11 AM
I have no problem with it, it is more then fair for market value and I woudl rather have him then some of the low end SS that have been signed for more money already. I dont think it is enough money to really effect going after a free agent pitcher. I hope that in three years we will see this small contract as a steal as Uribe is outperforming it according to the money he is getting paid and will look quite underpaid come the third year of it.

jabrch
12-16-2004, 10:12 AM
Not really our best hope as I am sure that we would have to give up Garland in the deal and still have no 5th starter....


True...I was hoping to do it without moving Garland...But if trading Garland is what it would take, I'd rather not do that. Then I'd rather go Perez or Clement. Unless the Yanks are paying soooo much of Vazquez that it still leaves us with money to go after a starter.

Lip Man 1
12-16-2004, 12:17 PM
Kittle:

You don't even have to ask that question...you already know the answer.

Also did anyone notice how back loaded the deal is....five million in the 4th year of the deal. Hmmmm.....that fits in right about the time the Sox will dump him don't you think?

Lip

Mickster
12-16-2004, 12:20 PM
Kittle:

You don't even have to ask that question...you already know the answer.

Also did anyone notice how back loaded the deal is....five million in the 4th year of the deal. Hmmmm.....that fits in right about the time the Sox will dump him don't you think?

Lip
Wow. Really backloaded. :?:

anewman35
12-16-2004, 12:22 PM
Also did anyone notice how back loaded the deal is....five million in the 4th year of the deal. Hmmmm.....that fits in right about the time the Sox will dump him don't you think?

It goes up every year. So do most deals most players sign. What's your point?

anewman35
12-16-2004, 12:23 PM
So I ask you apparent Jerry backers - what gives you more enjoyment - winning ballgames or ownership's "fiscal responsibility?"
I don't care if we're in last place, as long as JR doesn't lose money.

Lip Man 1
12-16-2004, 12:40 PM
The way some of you sound when you post that shouldn't be in teal.

Lip

SoxFan76
12-16-2004, 12:42 PM
Methinks that Juan Uribe is the next Miguel Tejada....
Ok Frodo Baggins. :D:

Jabroni
12-16-2004, 02:14 PM
"White Sox agree to terms with infielder Juan Uribe"
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_news.jsp?ymd=20041216&content_id=923243&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp
CHICAGO -- The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms with infielder Juan Uribe on a three-year, $9.75 million contract that contains a club option for 2008, avoiding arbitration. Under terms of the deal, Uribe will be paid $2.15 million in 2005, $3.15 million in 2006 and $4.15 million in 2007 with the club holding an option for 2008 at $5.0 million (with a buyout of $300,000).

rdivaldi
12-16-2004, 02:16 PM
If you compare Juan's production to Valentin's production (at $5 mil), we're definitely not overpaying.

Jabroni
12-16-2004, 02:20 PM
If you compare Juan's production to Valentin's production (at $5 mil), we're definitely not overpaying.Agreed. Better offense AND defense than Valenstache and Uribe isn't going to make $5 million until 2008 at the earliest. Great deal.

hawkeyesrule
12-16-2004, 02:22 PM
Why would there be a problem with this? The guy was streaky last year, but he was tearing it up when he was hot. It's a good value, and I like the deal. Seems like a lot of people want us to have all players under a $2m salary. If you want a team like that, there's one in Pitt. Uribe will be a huge upgrade over Valentin.

California Sox
12-16-2004, 03:56 PM
I seem to remember that Maggs (and to a lesser extent Carlos) took Uribe under his wing during spring training and extolled the virtues of staying back and hitting the ball to right center. When Uribe hit that way, he was dynamite. When he tried to pull everything in sight, well, it wasn't pretty. Does anyone else think we might miss Maggs in this role next season?

ChiWhiteSox1337
12-16-2004, 04:35 PM
This is a great move by the white sox. Lock em up when they're still cheap, especially at a position like SS because most likely teams have to overpay for an FA SS.

manuelsucks
12-16-2004, 05:26 PM
Methinks that Juan Uribe is the next Miguel Tejada....
I wouldn't go that far, but overall it was a good signing by the Sox. Uribe is a great player with a bright future.

Foulke29
12-16-2004, 05:28 PM
Ok Frodo Baggins. :D:
I thought it was Gollum that talked like that.

MRKARNO
12-16-2004, 05:50 PM
I wouldn't go that far, but overall it was a good signing by the Sox. Uribe is a great player with a bright future.
1998 Miguel Tejada (22) 2003 Juan Uribe (23)
AB 365 316
BA .233 .253
OBP .298 .257
2B 20 19
HR 11 10
SLG .384 .427
BB 28 17
K 86 60

1999 Miguel Tejada (23) 2004 Juan Uribe (24)
AB 593 502
BA .251 .283
OBP .325 .327
2B 33 21
HR 21 23
SLG .427 .506
BB 57 32
K 94 96

2000 Miguel Tejada (24) 2005 Juan Uribe (25)
AB 607 ?????
BA .275 ?????
OBP .349 ?????
2B 32 ?????
HR 30 ?????
SLG .479 ?????
BB 66 ?????
K 102 ?????

Uribe is about a year or two behind in his development compared to Tejada and his strikezone judgement doesnt appear to be as good, which will be the cause of his failure to match up to Tejada if he ends up not being the next Tejada. White Sox management clearly knows what I am posting here or else they would not have signed Uribe through the arbitration years. If they follow the same development path, then Tejada's MVP 2002 would match up with Uribe's 2007, the last year of the deal. They really arent that dissimilar when you look at the stats. BTW both are about 5'10" and 170 pounds if that has any relevence to anyone. Additionally, he hails from the very same city in the Dominican Republic as Tejada (Bani), which incidentally is where Luis Vizcaino and Timo Perez are from (weird, huh?)

rdivaldi
12-16-2004, 05:58 PM
I seem to remember that Maggs (and to a lesser extent Carlos) took Uribe under his wing during spring training and extolled the virtues of staying back and hitting the ball to right center. When Uribe hit that way, he was dynamite. When he tried to pull everything in sight, well, it wasn't pretty. Does anyone else think we might miss Maggs in this role next season?
Nah, Walker is a good hitting coach. I really doubt Uribe was only hitting the other way because of Maggs and Lee.

c4birdiemaker
12-16-2004, 07:59 PM
1998 Miguel Tejada (22) 2003 Juan Uribe (23)
AB 365 316
BA .233 .253
OBP .298 .257
2B 20 19
HR 11 10
SLG .384 .427
BB 28 17
K 86 60

1999 Miguel Tejada (23) 2004 Juan Uribe (24)
AB 593 502
BA .251 .283
OBP .325 .327
2B 33 21
HR 21 23
SLG .427 .506
BB 57 32
K 94 96

2000 Miguel Tejada (24) 2005 Juan Uribe (25)
AB 607 ?????
BA .275 ?????
OBP .349 ?????
2B 32 ?????
HR 30 ?????
SLG .479 ?????
BB 66 ?????
K 102 ?????

Uribe is about a year or two behind in his development compared to Tejada and his strikezone judgement doesnt appear to be as good, which will be the cause of his failure to match up to Tejada if he ends up not being the next Tejada. White Sox management clearly knows what I am posting here or else they would not have signed Uribe through the arbitration years. If they follow the same development path, then Tejada's MVP 2002 would match up with Uribe's 2007, the last year of the deal. They really arent that dissimilar when you look at the stats. BTW both are about 5'10" and 170 pounds if that has any relevence to anyone. Additionally, he hails from the very same city in the Dominican Republic as Tejada (Bani), which incidentally is where Luis Vizcaino and Timo Perez are from (weird, huh?)nice work... if he hits in the 2 hole and we move rowand to the 3, he'll see alot more fastballs:harold

dugwood31
12-16-2004, 09:38 PM
Originally Posted by MRKARNO
1998 Miguel Tejada (22) 2003 Juan Uribe (23)
AB 365 316
BA .233 .253
OBP .298 .257
2B 20 19
HR 11 10
SLG .384 .427
BB 28 17
K 86 60

1999 Miguel Tejada (23) 2004 Juan Uribe (24)
AB 593 502
BA .251 .283
OBP .325 .327
2B 33 21
HR 21 23
SLG .427 .506
BB 57 32
K 94 96

2000 Miguel Tejada (24) 2005 Juan Uribe (25)
AB 607 ?????
BA .275 ?????
OBP .349 ?????
2B 32 ?????
HR 30 ?????
SLG .479 ?????
BB 66 ?????
K 102 ?????


Even if he never wins an MVP, 3 years at 9.75 is cheap. This deal will look real good this year, not to mention 3 years from now. Uribe has a live stick, and even though his swing is funky and sometimes a bit too long, I think he'll only improve as a hitter.

kitekrazy
12-17-2004, 11:48 AM
I'm not that old (28), but I remember when Kirby Puckett was the highest-paid MLB player at $3 million per year, only to be supplanted less than a year later by the inaugural member of the 40-40 club, Jose Canseco, at $5 million per year. Please tell me it wasn't that long ago.
Is dat you Mr. Reinsdorf? :redneck