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MRKARNO
12-11-2004, 11:03 PM
http://www.baseballnotebook.com/essay.asp?esource=e_111404.asp&topt=The%20Real%20Minor%20League%20Leaders%20Part% 202
In case you dont know what these are, they are the stats if McCarthy had pitched in the Major Leagues last year based on his minor league stats. They are by no means an absolute measure of how he would have performed, so take them with a grain of salt. The rank is probably a better indicator than the stats themselves and don't take this to mean that McCarthy will have a 5.07 ERA if he came into the ML tomorrow. I still think he's a little less than a year away, but next year will tell the story. Minor league rank in parentheses:

ERA: 5.07 (8)
WHIP: 1.34 (2)
K: 136 (2)
K/IP: .86 (3)
K/BB: 3.78 (2)

Not too bad. McCarthy's ERA was affected by a few starts last year and probably his translated suffered as a result. He's about to become the sabermetricians prospect of choice once they see the kind of numbers he put up (in actuality) last year. His minor league career #'s (actual) are: 1.07 WHIP, 1.52 BB/9, 10.35 K/9, and a 6.8 K/BB These are more telling than Wins and probably even ERA when looking into minor league stats. Dont forget the 60:3 K/BB ratio at High A last year.

He's going to be a star and I cant wait until he finally is on the major league team. Just a reminder of the future of this team.

Shingotime!!
12-11-2004, 11:47 PM
Is that sopose to be showing there numbers when they first come to the majors in there first full year, or when they become an established starter.

MRKARNO
12-12-2004, 09:25 AM
Is that sopose to be showing there numbers when they first come to the majors in there first full year, or when they become an established starter.
They are intended to mean what the starter would have presumably done in the major leagues last year based on their minor leagues stats. They are not a prediction of how a pitcher will be in their first year or any prediction for that matter.

idseer
12-12-2004, 11:28 AM
http://www.baseballnotebook.com/essay.asp?esource=e_111404.asp&topt=The%20Real%20Minor%20League%20Leaders%20Part% 202
In case you dont know what these are, they are the stats if McCarthy had pitched in the Major Leagues last year based on his minor league stats. They are by no means an absolute measure of how he would have performed, so take them with a grain of salt. The rank is probably a better indicator than the stats themselves and don't take this to mean that McCarthy will have a 5.07 ERA if he came into the ML tomorrow. I still think he's a little less than a year away, but next year will tell the story. Minor league rank in parentheses:

ERA: 5.07 (8)
WHIP: 1.34 (2)
K: 136 (2)
K/IP: .86 (3)
K/BB: 3.78 (2)

Not too bad. McCarthy's ERA was affected by a few starts last year and probably his translated suffered as a result. He's about to become the sabermetricians prospect of choice once they see the kind of numbers he put up (in actuality) last year. His minor league career #'s (actual) are: 1.07 WHIP, 1.52 BB/9, 10.35 K/9, and a 6.8 K/BB These are more telling than Wins and probably even ERA when looking into minor league stats. Dont forget the 60:3 K/BB ratio at High A last year.

He's going to be a star and I cant wait until he finally is on the major league team. Just a reminder of the future of this team.the last STAR pitcher the sox had come out of their system (and he was more highly rated than bmac) was traded last year for carl everett. just a reminder of the future of this team

MRKARNO
12-12-2004, 03:38 PM
the last STAR pitcher the sox had come out of their system (and he was more highly rated than bmac) was traded last year for carl everett. just a reminder of the future of this team
McCarthy is one of the top pitching prospects in baseball no matter what BA says. He doesnt have the hype but he's got everything else. You wouldnt be talking about Royce Ring now would you? Not the same Royce Ring that will be available to EVERY MLB team in the Rule 5 draft because they obviously fell in love with his talent.

OEO Magglio
12-12-2004, 04:41 PM
McCarthy is one of the top pitching prospects in baseball no matter what BA says. He doesnt have the hype but he's got everything else. You wouldnt be talking about Royce Ring now would you? Not the same Royce Ring that will be available to EVERY MLB team in the Rule 5 draft because they obviously fell in love with his talent.
He's talking about Jon Rauch. Ring was traded in the Alomar deal not either of the everett deals.

California Sox
12-12-2004, 04:59 PM
And Rauch isn't a fair comparison b/c Jon hurt his shoulder and his stuff never came back 100%. That said, the comp with Rauch that probably will be correct is that Bmac's gonna give up some homers in the Cell. But he seems to have the mental toughness like a McDowell or a Buerhle to hang in there and win some games 6 to 5, and not everyone (*cough* Garland *cough*) has the tenacity to do that.

Flight #24
12-12-2004, 06:18 PM
the last STAR pitcher the sox had come out of their system (and he was more highly rated than bmac) was traded last year for carl everett. just a reminder of the future of this team
So you're saying BMac's going to end up having shoulder surgery, getting shelled at the major league level, and never really returning to his star prospect status?

MHOUSE
12-19-2004, 05:11 PM
Where did McCarthy come from? I don't keep great tabs on the Sox minor leagues, but I remember Honel, Rauch, Diaz, Munoz, etc. being the hot pitching prospects last offseason. Did he just light it up in A or AA and I missed it?

idseer
12-19-2004, 05:28 PM
So you're saying BMac's going to end up having shoulder surgery, getting shelled at the major league level, and never really returning to his star prospect status?
sorry ... read this rather late.

ummmm ..... no! i'm saying don't count your chickens etc. etc. etc.

MRKARNO
12-19-2004, 06:10 PM
Where did McCarthy come from? I don't keep great tabs on the Sox minor leagues, but I remember Honel, Rauch, Diaz, Munoz, etc. being the hot pitching prospects last offseason. Did he just light it up in A or AA and I missed it?
He had some pretty impressive K/9 and K/BB ratios in 2003 in rookie ball and then he just built on that, starting the year in low-A, moving up to High-A mid year and getting some time at AA Birmingham later in the year. He had great results in the first two stops, but he didnt really have time to settle in at AA and had a few not so great starts. He wasnt even on the charts going into this year.