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ukigdog
11-30-2004, 02:27 PM
Knowing how we probably lost out on Randy johnson, what do you guys think if we make these moves this offseason?

1. Trade Paul Konerko, Neil Cotts, prospect to Detroit for Ugueth Urbina, one of their young SP (saves appx. 3 mill.)
2. Sign Matt Clement (7 mill.)
3. Sign Nomar Garciapparra (9 mill.)
4. Sign Shawn Chaccon once he is not tenedered from Colorado (1.5 mill.)

Here is what it would look like:

Lineup:
1. Aaron Rowand (CF) - Righty
2. Ross Gload (1B) - Lefty
3. Nomar Garciapparra (SS) - Righty
4. Frank Thomas (DH) - Righty
5. Carlos Lee (LF) - Righty
6. Carl Everett (RF) - Lefty/Righty
7. Joe Crede (3B) - Righty
8. Ben Davis (C) - Lefty/Righty
9. Juan Uribe (2B) - Righty

Bench - Timo Perez, Jamie Burke, Willie Harris, Joe Borchard, ??

** Our lineup would have .300 + hitters in nearly the first 6 spots except Frank. Good speed at end of lineup with Uribe and good power throughout lineup. Also good lefty/righty mix in there throughout lineup. I think this would be a decent lineup and maybe pick up a good RF in mid season with trades.

Pitching Rotation:
1. Freddy Garcia
2. Mark Buehrle
3. Matt Clement
4. Jose Contreras
5. John Garland
* possibly throw in the young SP from Detroit in trade into the rotation at some point

Bullpen:
Long Releif - John Adkins
Releif - Cliff Politte
Righty Setup - Shawn Chaccon
Righty Setup - Shingo Takatsu
Lefty Setup - Damaso Marte
Closer - Ugueth Urbina

** Our rotation would be solid 1-5 and finally no 5th starter drama. Our bullpen would add two quality arms and solidify.

Overall with these few moves this offseason i think we would have a winning team and a well balanced team. I calculated this team to be about 70-75 million payroll wise, so it can happen. What you guys think??

Flight #24
11-30-2004, 02:30 PM
I don't believe Detroit's unhappy with their young 1B (name escapes me at the moment). Plus, they might be afraid (as I would be in their shoes) that Paulie would flounder a bit in that pitchers park of theirs.

Then there's the whole "trading within the division" thing, which might add another, albeit smaller barrier to the deal.

santo=dorf
11-30-2004, 02:31 PM
:threadsucks

Who is "Neil" and why would we trade our should-be All-Star first baseman for the Tigers' closer? :?: Trading within the division is dumb, as is trading a young pitcher and a prospect for another young pitcher.

mweflen
11-30-2004, 03:11 PM
ukigdog,

your idea would be bolstered if you actually named the "young SP" from Detroit. Otherwise, it just seems like trading a proven power hitter and a promising young reliever for one bullpen pitcher and a whole lotta nothing.

Also, assuming .300-plus from Carl Everett and Ross Gload is more than a bit rosy. Not only does he have only 2 .300-plus seasons in a long career (career BA .277), but Carl is on the decline and has to prove himself - so penciling in .300 plus is a stretch. I love Rossie, and think he can do it, but again, he hasn't batted for a full season of 500 ABs yet - so it's way premature to assume anything for him based on limited time in 2004.

We could do a lot worse than signing Clement and Garciaparra, however. Personally, I'd prefer Lieber and Nomar.

Tragg
11-30-2004, 03:43 PM
1. Absolutely not

2. Yes

3. Absolutely not - exacerbates our problems and solves none

4. I don't know who that guy is

Chicago83
12-01-2004, 04:09 AM
Why not trade Konerko for a SP, then sign clement and trade Garland for an OF or SS(there are plenty of teams with young/cheap fielders who need pitching like Texas or Baltimore). I don't think Nomar is worth it unless he will sign a semi-cheap one year deal. I wouldn't trade Konerko in our division, I don't want to see him playing 9 games in the cell against us.
Signing Clement and Chacon is a good idea, but I would rather see us spend money on an outfielder or SS who can lead off than wasting it on Nomar.

SoxFan76
12-01-2004, 11:21 AM
You misspelled 3 names of guys on your own team in 1 post. That might be a new record.

wdelaney72
12-01-2004, 11:40 AM
In a word... NO.

Our bullpen is not the problem. In fact, our bullpen stacks up pretty well across the AL. Cotts / Marte is lefty specialists, Politte as setup, and Shingo as closer... Many teams would love to have a bullpen that strong. Last year, our bullpen was plagued by the presence of Koch and Mike Jackson. They're gone.

I have no problem trading PK to help improve the SP rotation. I'd even consider dealing PK to upgrade C, SS, 2B, or 3B, but it better be one hell of an upgrade.

Jerome
12-01-2004, 12:11 PM
1. Absolutely not

2. Yes

3. Absolutely not - exacerbates our problems and solves none

4. I don't know who that guy is


How would getting Nomar be a problem? What would it exacerbate? Our issuses with shortstops who can't hit? Our issues with power and OBP at the top of the lineup?

It amazes me that if we somehow were to get Nomar (for a reasonable price), people here would complain. He might not be as great away from Fenway but the guy is still one of the 5-10 best shortstops in baseball. He would be better than anything we've ever had in long time.