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Jabroni
11-22-2004, 04:56 PM
Inside Dish: A's explore trade involving Kendall
By Ken Rosenthal - SportingNews
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpa2lpNnFzBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN0 bQ--?slug=insidedishasexploretrade&prov=tsn&type=lgns
In addition to exploring trades for one of their top three starting pitchers, the A's are also involved in two- and three-team discussions regarding Pirates C Jason Kendall, who is guaranteed $34 million over the next three seasons. A straight trade between the A's and Pirates likely would involve the Pirates receiving LHPs Mark Redman and Arthur Rhodes, who are owed $16.15 million combined over the next two seasons.Billy Beane loves the high OBP guys. :whiner: But I would think that the Pirates would rather have Konerko and Garland for Kendall, no? :?:

soltrain21
11-22-2004, 06:15 PM
Inside Dish: A's explore trade involving Kendall
By Ken Rosenthal - SportingNews
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpa2lpNnFzBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN0 bQ--?slug=insidedishasexploretrade&prov=tsn&type=lgns
Billy Beane loves the high OBP guys. :whiner: But I would think that the Pirates would rather have Konerko and Garland for Kendall, no? :?:



I think it is more about how much of a contract they would have to eat than anything else.


Sadly, all hell will break loose here if the A's do acquire him.

Paulwny
11-22-2004, 07:22 PM
Inside Dish: A's explore trade involving Kendall
By Ken Rosenthal - SportingNews
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpa2lpNnFzBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN0 bQ--?slug=insidedishasexploretrade&prov=tsn&type=lgns
Billy Beane loves the high OBP guys. :whiner: But I would think that the Pirates would rather have Konerko and Garland for Kendall, no? :?:
Kendall, as RJ, has a no trade clause and has said he would wave it for a west coast team. No one knows, KW may have inquired about Kendall and he was told that Kendall won't wave the clause.

wdelaney72
11-24-2004, 08:10 AM
I don't see this happening. Even if Pittsburgh eats a signifficant portion of the contract, it's still too much money for Oakland.

Paulwny
11-24-2004, 02:38 PM
I don't see this happening. Even if Pittsburgh eats a signifficant portion of the contract, it's still too much money for Oakland.
Ken Roenthal/ Sporting News is speculating that this trade will occur and that the A's will then trade Kendall to another team. He didn't mention the possible teams.

Jjav829
11-24-2004, 04:42 PM
Ken Roenthal/ Sporting News is speculating that this trade will occur and that the A's will then trade Kendall to another team. He didn't mention the possible teams.
Damnit! :angry:

Where do you see Rosenthal reporting that Kendall will be traded elsewhere? The only thing I saw in Rosenthal's story is him speculating that if Baker or Brown develops quickly, Kendall could change positions or be traded. Maybe he edited his story.

Rosenthal Story (http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3191502)

AP Story (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-athletics-pirateskendalltrade&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Screw Billy Beane. :angry: Mark Redman and Arthur Rhodes? What a joke. Two pieces of crap. Makes no sense unless Oakland is eating all of Kendall's salary.

MRKARNO
11-24-2004, 04:50 PM
Screw Billy Beane. :angry: Mark Redman and Arthur Rhodes? What a joke. Two pieces of crap. Makes no sense unless Oakland is eating all of Kendall's salary.
Rhodes is crap, but Redman was pretty darn good in Florida in 2003 and he probably can revert to a similar form when he gets back to the National League. 2004 was probably an aberration. I also heard that the A's were taking on close to the whole contract, though I dont remember where. I've heard conflicting reports on the latter.

Ol' No. 2
11-24-2004, 06:11 PM
According to the story, Oakland will send Arthur Rhodes and Mark Redman to Pittsburgh. The story says that it makes it much more likely that Oakland will trade one of their big three to make salary room. :smile: Get busy, Kenny.

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3191502

Paulwny
11-24-2004, 06:18 PM
Damnit! :angry:

Where do you see Rosenthal reporting that Kendall will be traded elsewhere? The only thing I saw in Rosenthal's story is him speculating that if Baker or Brown develops quickly, Kendall could change positions or be traded. Maybe he edited his story.

Rosenthal Story (http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3191502)

AP Story (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-athletics-pirateskendalltrade&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Screw Billy Beane. :angry: Mark Redman and Arthur Rhodes? What a joke. Two pieces of crap. Makes no sense unless Oakland is eating all of Kendall's salary.
OOPS, I left out "might be" before the word trade :redface:

lowesox
11-24-2004, 07:42 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3191502

Sounds like he's going to the A's. Sorry if this has already been posted.

CubKilla
11-24-2004, 07:45 PM
Damn! We were so close :rolleyes:

Jabroni
11-24-2004, 07:47 PM
"A's would get Kendall for a pair of pitchers"
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/template.php?subsection=depth_chart&section=press
The Pirates would get left-handed starter Mark Redman (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6285), who went 11-12 with a 4.71 ERA, and left-handed reliever Arthur Rhodes (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4736), who was 3-3 with nine save and a 5.12 ERA, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.Damn, they are going to get Kendall for junk too.

batmanZoSo
11-24-2004, 11:05 PM
"A's would get Kendall for a pair of pitchers"
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/template.php?subsection=depth_chart&section=press
Damn, they are going to get Kendall for junk too.
I would say the Pirates are getting a good deal because they're desperate to get rid of a guy who makes way too much money. Rhodes has bad numbers because he was closing and he's not a closer. I think he's still a good setup man. And Redman was excellent for the WS Marlins that year. He's got ability and he's probably still better than anyone else on the Pirates. I think I'd take both Rhodes and Redman on the Sox.

SOXintheBURGH
11-24-2004, 11:11 PM
As a SOX fan primarily and a Pirates fan second, I really, really don't like the A's deal. Buzz around town right now is the same. No way we want Rhodes, already have enough garbage in the pen. Redman would be okay I suppose, would rather give Kendall to the South Side for Paulie/Garland.

Lip Man 1
11-25-2004, 01:52 AM
If this deal goes down does that mean the talk about the A's dealing one of the 'big 3' is dead?

Think about it. Right now the A's would have to pencil in Joe Blanton to replace Redman in the rotation...dealing say, Mulder means they would have to find someone else to replace that production. I don't know if they can do that via trade or FA. I think it would be a risk in that division to go with two rookies in your five man rotation and Harden doesn't have much experience yet either.

We'll see how it plays out I guess.

Lip

FightingBillini
11-25-2004, 02:06 AM
If this deal goes down does that mean the talk about the A's dealing one of the 'big 3' is dead?

Think about it. Right now the A's would have to pencil in Joe Blanton to replace Redman in the rotation...dealing say, Mulder means they would have to find someone else to replace that production. I don't know if they can do that via trade or FA. I think it would be a risk in that division to go with two rookies in your five man rotation and Harden doesn't have much experience yet either.
Hey, we are generous. We will trade them Garland for Mulder straight up. And it will save them money too!
As No. 2 said before, it would probably make them trading one of them more likely, becuase of salary constraints. Believe me, Pittsburgh isnt going to eat that much of the contract for Redman and Rhodes.

FarWestChicago
11-25-2004, 02:19 AM
Think about it. Right now the A's would have to pencil in Joe Blanton to replace Redman in the rotation...dealing say, Mulder means they would have to find someone else to replace that production. I don't know if they can do that via trade or FA. I think it would be a risk in that division to go with two rookies in your five man rotation and Harden doesn't have much experience yet either.I believe they are going to make a starter out of that Douchebag guy. He was in long relief last year. He's got a wicked curve ball and had some very impressive longer outings. I don't know this, just some buzz going on out here.

CubKilla
11-25-2004, 11:42 AM
If this deal goes down does that mean the talk about the A's dealing one of the 'big 3' is dead?

Think about it. Right now the A's would have to pencil in Joe Blanton to replace Redman in the rotation...dealing say, Mulder means they would have to find someone else to replace that production. I don't know if they can do that via trade or FA. I think it would be a risk in that division to go with two rookies in your five man rotation and Harden doesn't have much experience yet either.

We'll see how it plays out I guess.

Lip
Are you implying that you were holding onto the notion that the Sox were going to be players in the Mulder/Hudson/Zito sweepstakes Lip?

MRKARNO
11-25-2004, 11:47 AM
I believe they are going to make a starter out of that Douchebag guy. He was in long relief last year. He's got a wicked curve ball and had some very impressive longer outings. I don't know this, just some buzz going on out here.
Duchscherer looked pretty good against us that one time. His curveball is one of the best in the major leagues and I think will do pretty good once he gets a chance in the starting rotation.

Lip Man 1
11-25-2004, 12:44 PM
Cub:

I thought it was a long shot at best.

Lip

michned
11-26-2004, 12:38 AM
Sorry, missed the other thread.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sports/cst-spt-swire25.html

Tekijawa
11-27-2004, 12:53 PM
A's Get Kendal for Rhodes and redman... http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNWZic251BF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0 aA--?slug=ap-athletics-piratestrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

MarkEdward
11-27-2004, 02:30 PM
A's Get Kendal for Rhodes and redman... http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNWZic251BF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0 aA--?slug=ap-athletics-piratestrade&prov=ap&type=lgnsI like the trade, from an A's perspective. Kendall has not missed any significant time to injury since '99, and he's usually good for an OBP between .350-.400. This move will allow Kotsay to move to the number two spot in the batting order. Blanton will probably replace Redman in the rotation, and the bullpen should look like this: Dotel, Bradford, Duchscherer, Rincon, Street, Garcia/Lehr. Though Rhodes will be better next season, I'm more disappointed in the A's losing Hammond (FA) and Mecir (FA, may retire).

I don't think it's a good deal for the Pirates. To be fair, though, the Pirates do have a few catchers in their system. Plus, if Dave Littlefield allows, the Bucs could have a whole bunch of relatively young talent playing next year (House, Craig Wilson, Hill, Castillo, Bay, Perez, Burnett).

Things in Pittsburgh won't get better until the Pirates end their current draft system (taking Paul Maholm with the eighth pick and Brian Bullington over B.J. Upton won't cut it).

JB98
11-27-2004, 06:22 PM
As a SOX fan primarily and a Pirates fan second, I really, really don't like the A's deal. Buzz around town right now is the same. No way we want Rhodes, already have enough garbage in the pen. Redman would be okay I suppose, would rather give Kendall to the South Side for Paulie/Garland.

Of course you'd rather trade Kendall for Paulie and Garland. That would be a total steal for the Pirates and a terrible move by the Sox.

Great trade by the Pirates. They got rid of an overpaid, overrated catcher, and they got two serviceable left-handers in return. As long as Rhodes is in the set-up role, he'll be fine. Oakland was foolish for making him a closer. Redman is a decent middle-of-the-rotation guy.

Oakland should have never traded Ramon Hernandez. Now, they're stuck with Kendall, who is horrible defensively and has no power whatsoever.

MarkEdward
11-27-2004, 07:05 PM
Oakland should have never traded Ramon Hernandez. Now, they're stuck with Kendall, who is horrible defensively and has no power whatsoever.Though Hernandez had a very good season, you didn't mention the fact that the A's got Mark Kotsay (one of the better players in baseball, taking both defense and offense into account) and got rid of Terrence Long's bloated contract. Plus, the A's had two decent catchers in '04, Damian Miller (.262 EQA) and Adam Melhuse (.262).

While Kendall's contract is probably a little too big for his talent level, you seem to underrate his defense (second in the NL in caught stealing percentage last year, though previous years he's not been so good), his ability to reach base (for his career, more than forty points above the league OBP), and his health (has played more than 145 games each season since 2000).

Arguments against this trade for the A's include Kendall's expensive contract (money could've been used to sign someone to replace Dye) and the length of the contract (signed through '08). Plus, the A's have a bunch of catchers in their system (Baker, Brown, Suzuki, Powell), though none will be ready to start by next season.

Finally, the A's have in-house replacements for Rhodes and Redman, so they didn't lose much. Though, like I said, both will probably have better seasons next year.

Lip Man 1
11-27-2004, 10:41 PM
JB:

Just wondering...is this the same Rhodes who was a bust last year and the same Redmen who had an ERA of over five at home last year? I don't know if I'd go so far to say as Pittsburgh 'stole' this deal. Kendell hit .311 last year and gets on base a lot.

Lip

Soxzilla
11-28-2004, 10:04 AM
JB:

Just wondering...is this the same Rhodes who was a bust last year and the same Redmen who had an ERA of over five at home last year? I don't know if I'd go so far to say as Pittsburgh 'stole' this deal. Kendell hit .311 last year and gets on base a lot.

Lip
It was a steal in my eyes, and the sox should be really concerned with this. Seeing as how Redman was the only starting pitcher in an Oakland uniform that we could touch.:rolleyes:

SOXSINCE'70
11-29-2004, 12:18 PM
Good thing Kendall isn't a HR hitter.Fly balls go
to Oakland to die.Can't say 'yay' or 'nay' on the
trade yet.I'll have to wait and see.

Jerome
11-29-2004, 10:29 PM
Salaries aside, this is a great trade for the A's. They gave up crap for a good player. When I heard Konerko + Garland rumors for Kendall I was scared. But it seems to me that Pittsburgh got its pockets picked again, just like they did with Aramis Ramirez. At least when San Diego took Giles from them they got Perez. What the Hell is going on over there in Pittsburgh?