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SoxxoS
11-16-2004, 01:08 PM
Easy, Willie (http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sox.asp)

If Uribe becomes the full-time shortstop, Willie Harris could get another shot at second base. Harris batted .262 last season and stole 19 bases in 26 attempts. Late in the year, Harris, 26, said he didn't come close to meeting his expectationsI should be hitting .300. Easy,'' Harris said. "And stealing 40 or 50 bags, that's easy for me.''

With Tim Raines on the staff as the Sox' first-base coach and baserunning specialist, Harris might get another chance to show what he can do.

As for the rest of the off-season, look for the Sox to continue pursuing a proven starter and a reliever who can set up and/or close games.

"I think you can safely say we're still looking in that direction,'' Williams said.

Should be hitting .300 and stealing 50 bags? That's easy. If that is easy, then:
I should be dating Brooke Burke and be the CEO of Sony.

I also LOVE how the Sox think that by hiring Tim Raines...he is going to make this team into the 2003 Marlins that just runs all over the place...This goes along with the B.S. propoganda that the coaches "found the hitch" in Crede's swing, and now he is going to be a whole new player. I am not saying change by coaching isn't possible. It is. But players are born with God-given ability and either they can or can't perform at a major league level. Either you HAVE the stolen base instinct or you don't. Either you have the mental capacity to hit (Crede) or you don't. Willie Harris probably can beat Scott Podsednik down the line...yet Podsednik stole nearly 4 times the amount of bases as Willie. Why? B/c he knows how to steal. They are nearly the same age, but Scott has got the instinct. The Sox can't feed us, OR believe that hiring a guy like Tim Raines is going to miraculously change Willie Harris into Rickey Henderson. It isn't going to happen.

It all comes down to the Peter Principle. Everyone has a point they reach and they can't exceed a certain point. This is exemplified by Ben Davis. He can't hit consistantly at the major league level. But when he was hitting .330 with us, people thought we had the catcher of the future for a 2 week run. Sure enough, he woke up and went right back to where he came from. Every once in a while, there are fluke seasons (Brady Anderson's 50 homer) b/c of steriods or other uncontrollable circumstances. But the Sox commit the strawman fallacy or thinking because Danny Wright and Jon Garland finished 2003 with ERA's under 4...they are going to carry that successs right into next season and beyond. COMPLTELY disregarding their career numbers. That is a huge problem with Sox management. Quit thinking because a player finished strong or you found a hitch in a swing, or hired a new coach, they are going to CHANGE the past awful ability of a player into a whole new one. There is my rant for the day.

kittle42
11-16-2004, 01:13 PM
That is a huge problem with Sox management. Quit thinking because a player finished strong or you found a hitch in a swing, or hired a new coach, they are going to CHANGE the past awful ability of a player into a whole new one. There is my rant for the day.
My theory is that they really *don't* think much of that is true, but it's an excellent b.s. stance they can take with fans to justify not actually bringing in anyone good to replace them.

:reinsy
"Ka-CHING!"

Tekijawa
11-16-2004, 01:15 PM
That's a great idea, put everyone on this team on Steroids! If they catch us Shucks darn Willie and Joe Miss a few weeks!

SoxFan76
11-16-2004, 01:19 PM
SoxxoS: You do know Willie raised his average about 60 points from 2003, right? His OBP was around .350. He improved DRASTICALLY from 2003. What says he won't continue to improve into 2005? We all saw that Willie is great defensively at 2nd base. Centerfield, well we'll hold off on that. But 2nd base, that guy made so many great plays. He has insane speed, and maybe he will LEARN to steal better. Point is, give the young guy a break. He will be fine.

Anybody remember people ripping on Aaron Rowand? Willie is the new victim.

RichFitztightly
11-16-2004, 01:35 PM
The only problem I have with your theory is that the Braves seem to be able to get more out of a player than they previously were able to achieve. Though Leo Mazzone is certainly an exception as opposed to the rule.

Another difference between the Braves and the Sox is that the Braves don't assume they're going to change a player. They tend to make the best out of what they have.

The Braves want the best players, then they make due with what they have. The Sox want to make due with what they have as opposed to getting the best players possible. It's a subtle difference in philosophy that goes a long way in describing the difference between the two franchises.

Ol' No. 2
11-16-2004, 01:36 PM
SoxxoS: You do know Willie raised his average about 60 points from 2003, right? His OBP was around .350. He improved DRASTICALLY from 2003. What says he won't continue to improve into 2005? We all saw that Willie is great defensively at 2nd base. Centerfield, well we'll hold off on that. But 2nd base, that guy made so many great plays. He has insane speed, and maybe he will LEARN to steal better. Point is, give the young guy a break. He will be fine.

Anybody remember people ripping on Aaron Rowand? Willie is the new victim.No, you have to be born with these skills. They can't be coached. No one ever improves from what you see in his first year. And everyone we have sucks.

Randar68
11-16-2004, 01:53 PM
My theory is that they really *don't* think much of that is true, but it's an excellent b.s. stance they can take with fans to justify not actually bringing in anyone good to replace them.
I would have been much happier with a Vizquel/Uribe middle infield, but if opeing with Harris/Uribe means adding kendall, a starter and legit bullpen help, I can deal with it...

It's all a measure of marginal utility... Many different scenarios could play out in ways that we don't expect that could add more/less value than other scenarios. We really won't know how things are going to shake out until some of the bigger dominos start falling...

mweflen
11-16-2004, 02:00 PM
I would have been much happier with a Vizquel/Uribe middle infield, but if opeing with Harris/Uribe means adding kendall, a starter and legit bullpen help, I can deal with it...

It's all a measure of marginal utility... Many different scenarios could play out in ways that we don't expect that could add more/less value than other scenarios. We really won't know how things are going to shake out until some of the bigger dominos start falling...
Most sensible thing I've heard in a while. If Crede/Uribe/Harris means Pavano/Kendall, then I'm for it.

As far as Willie goes, he's a chump and a punk. Always has been, probably always will be. Before the '04 season he was mouthing off, saying how he was the best-prepared guy on the team. For him to claim that .300 and 50 bags is "easy" is no surprise.

If he does it, well then shut my mouth. If he doesn't, I'll enjoy heckling him about it.

SoxFanTillDeath
11-16-2004, 02:05 PM
Before I sing the praises of Willie Harris, let me first preface it by saying that I have been one of the biggest Harris-bashers this past year. But after looking at the stats and seeing what's out there on the market, I wouldn't mind seeing him as our starter at 2nd with Uribe at SS. With a .343 OBP and his great fielding and great speed I think he is better than anyone we could sign with more upside. Last year he over doubled his career at bats, and you could see the difference it had in his stats. Going out on a limb here...I think with a full season's at bats (600 ABs) he could end up with 40+ steals next year and 80+ walks. I'm starting to like this guy...

kittle42
11-16-2004, 03:30 PM
Most sensible thing I've heard in a while. If Crede/Uribe/Harris means Pavano/Kendall, then I'm for it.
It's more likely to mean Grilli/Davis/Burke no matter what the rest of the makeup of the team is.

jake27
11-16-2004, 04:41 PM
Easy, Willie (http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sox.asp)



But players are born with God-given ability and either they can or can't perform at a major league level.



isnt speed a god-given talent? god can't give you the knowledge of running the bases. you have to learn that. this is where tim raines can help, he can give harris more baserunning knowledge to he can use that god-given ability to its full potential.

SoxxoS
11-16-2004, 04:44 PM
isnt speed a god-given talent? god can't give you the knowledge of running the bases. you have to learn that. this is where tim raines can help, he can give harris more baserunning knowledge to he can use that god-given ability to its full potential.

Speed is God-given...instincts are not. Some players can just play. Others can't. The best example of this is Joe Borchard and Billy Beane. Great talents. Aren't major leaguers.

YET, I still think KW thinks that Joe Borchard is an outfielder of the future. This is what I am talking about. KW can't just be looking at the numbers, b/c that shows he is a AA player at best. He has to be thinking (and overvaluing) talent. I will take a guy like David Ekstein (just plays the game and is VERY baseball savvy) vs. Joe Crede who is more "toolsy" and is a mental midget.

ilsox7
11-16-2004, 04:46 PM
isnt speed a god-given talent? god can't give you the knowledge of running the bases. you have to learn that. this is where tim raines can help, he can give harris more baserunning knowledge to he can use that god-given ability to its full potential.
I'll prface this by saying that I am not really a Willie Harris fan. However, stealing bases and bunting are 2 very teachable skills. Speed is not. If (and that's a BIG if) Willie can learn to bunt, his avergae would increase by 10-15 points, and if he can learn to steal, he is that much more valuable to the team. Having said that, I doubt he does either, but if he does I will be the first to say I doubted him and will applaud him. Here's to hope...:gulp:

jake27
11-16-2004, 04:51 PM
Speed is God-given...instincts are not. Some players can just play. Others can't. The best example of this is Joe Borchard and Billy Beane. Great talents. Aren't major leaguers.






joe borchard a great talent? :kukoo: :?:

SoxxoS
11-16-2004, 04:53 PM
You are right. Speed isn't coachable. But let's not forget the fact that Willie Harris has been playing baseball for probably 15-20 years now. You don't think he would have learned little things along the way to be an effective base stealer with his speed? He didn't just pick up the game 2 years ago.

Same with Joe Crede and his "new" swing. :rolleyes:

SoxxoS
11-16-2004, 04:54 PM
joe borchard a great talent? :kukoo: :?:

Joe Borchard is probably one of the most if not THE most talented player in the organization. Ask daver, randar and all the other minor league guys. Hes got speed, has a good arm, can hit for power. But mental ability isn't a measureable tool.

jake27
11-16-2004, 04:58 PM
i dont care how good you are in the minors. he doesnt have the talent for the majors, at least he hasnt shown it yet. if he has a ton of talent, i would love to see it work in the big leagues, we could sure use him :smile:

SoxxoS
11-16-2004, 05:01 PM
i dont care how good you are in the minors. he doesnt have the talent for the majors, at least he hasnt shown it yet. if he has a ton of talent, i would love to see it work in the big leagues, we could sure use him :smile:

The problem isn't physical, it's the worst kind...mental.

He does have a long swing, but it shouldn't cause him to hit as badly as he does.

Ol' No. 2
11-16-2004, 05:04 PM
You are right. Speed isn't coachable. But let's not forget the fact that Willie Harris has been playing baseball for probably 15-20 years now. You don't think he would have learned little things along the way to be an effective base stealer with his speed? He didn't just pick up the game 2 years ago.

Same with Joe Crede and his "new" swing. :rolleyes:A lot of these guys have enough raw talent to be successful in the minors without having to worry about technique that much. But when they get to the majors, the level of play goes up a lot. And that speed that carried you along in the minors isn't so overwhelming any more. Time was that players spent more time in the minors maturing and learning those skills. Like it or not, those days are gone. Players are rushed to the bigs a lot faster, and more and more of them come without the skills they need. They're learning at the major league level.

MisterB
11-16-2004, 06:26 PM
You are right. Speed isn't coachable. But let's not forget the fact that Willie Harris has been playing baseball for probably 15-20 years now. You don't think he would have learned little things along the way to be an effective base stealer with his speed? He didn't just pick up the game 2 years ago.So:

Pitching is harder to do in the majors than the minors.
Hitting is harder to do in the majors than the minors.
Fielding is harder to do in the majors than the minors.
Basestealing requires no adjustment to the majors at all.

:bs:

SoxxoS
11-16-2004, 06:51 PM
So:

Pitching is harder to do in the majors than the minors.
Hitting is harder to do in the majors than the minors.
Fielding is harder to do in the majors than the minors.
Basestealing requires no adjustment to the majors at all.

:bs:

Don't put words in my mouth.

Baserunning is much different than hitting or fielding at the major league level. Comparing it is rediculous. I never said it took no adjustment. It might. Willie has had more than ample opportunity to get adjusted. There are reasons why guys like Podsednik are rookies that steal 40 bases like last year. What is the reason? Podsednik knows how. Willie doesn't get "it," and I see no reason why he should.

OG4LIFE
11-16-2004, 08:59 PM
you know what, i like willie harris, and i hope like rowand, he can turn it around. however, i am skeptical of his improvement in 2004.

offensively, willie was selectively played against right handed pitchers. there were few instances you saw him in the lineup against a lefty. it is also generally easier to steal 2nd base vs a righty pitcher than lefty. these were the optimum conditions for him to succeed... i would say that his offensive #'s from last year are not too far off what we could expect of willie harris at his peak.

either way, i dont think getting a polanco or someone similar is all that great, bc he's not going to do much more than willie will... spend the money elsewhere i'd say. im happy giving willie one more shot.

MisterB
11-17-2004, 12:09 AM
Don't put words in my mouth.

Baserunning is much different than hitting or fielding at the major league level. Comparing it is rediculous. I never said it took no adjustment. It might. Willie has had more than ample opportunity to get adjusted. There are reasons why guys like Podsednik are rookies that steal 40 bases like last year. What is the reason? Podsednik knows how. Willie doesn't get "it," and I see no reason why he should.
Hitting is a learned skill. Pitching is a learned skill. Defense is a learned skill. Basestealing is a learned skill, if it wasn't every reasonably fast runner in the majors would be able to do it. Hitters have to adjust to better pitching in the majors, runners have to adjust to better pickoff moves and stronger, more accurate throws from catchers. Not every speedster steals 40+ bases their rookie year, either. Craig Biggio topped out at 25 SB his first 3 years playing full time, Johnny Damon's best was 26 in his first 3 years, Harris so far would come out to about 24 over a full season's playing time. I just don't buy that someone who can steal 20+ bases over the course of a season is 'unable to steal' or that a 26 year old player cannot improve his skills.

SoxxoS
11-17-2004, 12:33 AM
Hitting is a learned skill. Pitching is a learned skill. Defense is a learned skill. Basestealing is a learned skill, if it wasn't every reasonably fast runner in the majors would be able to do it. Hitters have to adjust to better pitching in the majors, runners have to adjust to better pickoff moves and stronger, more accurate throws from catchers. Not every speedster steals 40+ bases their rookie year, either. Craig Biggio topped out at 25 SB his first 3 years playing full time, Johnny Damon's best was 26 in his first 3 years, Harris so far would come out to about 24 over a full season's playing time. I just don't buy that someone who can steal 20+ bases over the course of a season is 'unable to steal' or that a 26 year old player cannot improve his skills.

I think he can improve, but for him or anyone else to think he can steal 50 baggs...I just don't think it's going to happen.

jordan23ventura
11-17-2004, 03:25 AM
If Uribe becomes the full-time shortstop, Willie Harris could get another shot at second base. Harris batted .262 last season and stole 19 bases in 26 attempts. Late in the year, Harris, 26, said he didn't come close to meeting his expectationsI should be hitting .300. Easy,'' Harris said. "And stealing 40 or 50 bags, that's easy for me.''

So where was this 'confidence' about three months ago?

That sounds a lot like cockiness to me. I have no problem with a proven player being cocky, but a guy who hasn't done anything at the major league level so far?

That said, I'm sure he'll hit .300 next year and steal 50 bags. That's easy for him. As a side note, hopefully by that time scientists will find a way to stop pigs from flying out of my ass.

LAWSfan
11-17-2004, 04:12 AM
Again another post that bashes the White Sox. Harris is what? 26-27? Give him some time. He's had about 750 major league at bats!!!!! Last year was the first year he played more than 100 games. Yeah cut him he's a bum. Many players have started slow and become productive players. Others have started fast and faded.

I do think there comes a time when the team says enough is enough. But for guys like Borchard, Harris, and Uribe that time is much later.

JRIG
11-17-2004, 05:27 AM
Again another post that bashes the White Sox. Harris is what? 26-27? Give him some time. He's had about 750 major league at bats!!!!! Last year was the first year he played more than 100 games. Yeah cut him he's a bum. Many players have started slow and become productive players. Others have started fast and faded.

I do think there comes a time when the team says enough is enough. But for guys like Borchard, Harris, and Uribe that time is much later.
And why isn't Julio Ramirez still on this team? I didn't see enough of him!

SOXSINCE'70
11-17-2004, 07:16 AM
Easy, Willie (http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sox.asp)




I should be dating Brooke Burke and be the CEO of Sony.

I'd like to be in the middle of a Teri Hatcher/Eva Longoria
sandwich myself.Nice to meet ya!!:D: :D: :D:

24thStFan
11-17-2004, 10:22 AM
First off, I need to say Iím a big Willie Harris fan. Willie may be the best natural athlete on the Sox. Why should we let another team take advantage of his skills?

I think the problem is coaching. This year Ozzie wouldnít play Willie consistently. When Willie played, he made progressóas evidenced by his big improvements from 2003-2004. Iím also skeptical of the base running coaching (if any) Willie has received from the Sox. Did you see any other Sox players burning it up on the base paths last year? Clearly, the Sox donít have any coaches who can teach bunting, either.

Letís see if Raines can teach Willie a few tricks. I think a lot of Willieís problems are due to a lack of proper teaching and a lack of consistent playing time. Give him one more year!

SoxxoS
11-17-2004, 12:13 PM
Again another post that bashes the White Sox. Harris is what? 26-27? Give him some time. He's had about 750 major league at bats!!!!! Last year was the first year he played more than 100 games. Yeah cut him he's a bum. Many players have started slow and become productive players. Others have started fast and faded.

I do think there comes a time when the team says enough is enough. But for guys like Borchard, Harris, and Uribe that time is much later.

I have been a member here for over 2.5 years now...there has been nothing positive to happen in that time. I am not going to spout off at the mouth on how good Harris and Crede are going to be b/c they are 26 years old. (26 is old by major league standards...you are usually a career minor leaguer if you can't cut it by then). They aren't good players. Harris COULD be a nice role player b/c of his speed and in a pinch, you can play him in centerfield. But this is the problem with Sox management...STICKING AND COUNTING ON GUYS THAT AREN'T GOOD PLAYERS BECAUSE OF AGE OR TALENT. You got to cut the cord at some point.
Just because JR is the owner means we have to put up with another season of Willie Harris that can POSSIBLY be a decent major league player. If he plays like he did the last 2 months of the season, add just another hole that should have been replaced. As far as I am concerned, Uribe, Valentin, and Harris are all good utility men. Crede is a questionable major leaguer at this point. He is an overrated defender, is slow, and can't hit a lick. But he hit so well in the minors! Then prove it at the major league level.

kittle42
11-17-2004, 01:02 PM
I have been a member here for over 2.5 years now...there has been nothing positive to happen in that time. I am not going to spout off at the mouth on how good Harris and Crede are going to be b/c they are 26 years old. (26 is old by major league standards...you are usually a career minor leaguer if you can't cut it by then). They aren't good players. Harris COULD be a nice role player b/c of his speed and in a pinch, you can play him in centerfield. But this is the problem with Sox management...STICKING AND COUNTING ON GUYS THAT AREN'T GOOD PLAYERS BECAUSE OF AGE OR TALENT. You got to cut the cord at some point.
Just because JR is the owner means we have to put up with another season of Willie Harris that can POSSIBLY be a decent major league player. If he plays like he did the last 2 months of the season, add just another hole that should have been replaced. As far as I am concerned, Uribe, Valentin, and Harris are all good utility men. Crede is a questionable major leaguer at this point. He is an overrated defender, is slow, and can't hit a lick. But he hit so well in the minors! Then prove it at the major league level.
Don't ruin the delusions of those who take the company line hook, line, and sinker.

SoxxoS
11-17-2004, 01:13 PM
Don't ruin the delusions of those who take the company line hook, line, and sinker.

I love the KW propoganda!

Crede's fixed his swing, Harris hit well in the minors...did you see how Politte finished the season?...Uribe as well, he was on fire...we should be fine with long relief-Adkins got experience...Frank is going to be fully heathy and be a monster again, we have no backup plans, we don't need them...Gload looked solid in the final months. We expect him to continue on that path and even perform BETTER now that he as experience...Don't forget about Shingo. He isn't going to suffer the sophomore slump, either...I mean, the more people saw of him the harder they hit him, but they wil forget. And Catcher? We love Ben Davis. Did you see how he hit after we acquired him? Forget about the final month where he went 1-130, did you see that hot streak? He is going to do that the whole season, wait and see. Actually we do have a backup plan his name is Sandy Alomar. He was an All-Star 30 years ago, but he is a leader and he can call games. Man can he call games!

LAWSfan
11-17-2004, 03:05 PM
I have been a member here for over 2.5 years now...there has been nothing positive to happen in that time. I am not going to spout off at the mouth on how good Harris and Crede are going to be b/c they are 26 years old. (26 is old by major league standards...you are usually a career minor leaguer if you can't cut it by then). They aren't good players. Harris COULD be a nice role player b/c of his speed and in a pinch, you can play him in centerfield. But this is the problem with Sox management...STICKING AND COUNTING ON GUYS THAT AREN'T GOOD PLAYERS BECAUSE OF AGE OR TALENT. You got to cut the cord at some point.
Just because JR is the owner means we have to put up with another season of Willie Harris that can POSSIBLY be a decent major league player. If he plays like he did the last 2 months of the season, add just another hole that should have been replaced. As far as I am concerned, Uribe, Valentin, and Harris are all good utility men. Crede is a questionable major leaguer at this point. He is an overrated defender, is slow, and can't hit a lick. But he hit so well in the minors! Then prove it at the major league level.
Do you have a clue? The average time it takes for a kid drafted out of college to make the majors is about four years. Figuring the kid out of college is 21, he would be 25 by the time he reaches the majors. That's just reaching the majors. Not becoming even an average player.

If the White Sox trade Harris and he becomes an all star, are you going to bash KW for giving up on him so soon?

Flight #24
11-17-2004, 03:09 PM
If the White Sox trade Harris and he becomes an all star, are you going to bash KW for giving up on him so soon?
Do you really have to ask that question?

LASOXFAN
11-17-2004, 04:54 PM
I am the king of cynics when it come to the White Sox.

That said, I believe Willie Harris, if he's the everyday 2B next season, will hit over .300 with 40+ steals. A breakout year for him and no doubt a huge boost to the line up.

I can't wait to watch him make a run at it in Spring Training.

ondafarm
11-17-2004, 05:02 PM
Most sensible thing I've heard in a while. If Crede/Uribe/Harris means Pavano/Kendall, then I'm for it.

As far as Willie goes, he's a chump and a punk. Always has been, probably always will be. Before the '04 season he was mouthing off, saying how he was the best-prepared guy on the team. For him to claim that .300 and 50 bags is "easy" is no surprise.

If he does it, well then shut my mouth. If he doesn't, I'll enjoy heckling him about it.
No, you are the chump and the punk. Willie Harris is not a mouthy guy. Each year in the minors he improved and last year in the majors he solidly improved in most areas, BP up 60 points or so. If he learns to bunt better and can hit like he did when playing consistently, then he will hit .300. As to 50 SBs, he has the speed, no question. If anyone can coach basestealing, it's Raines. Knowing when to go and how to adjust to a pitcher's move is definately an art not taught in the Sox minor league system. Add that and 50 is an easy number.

SoxxoS
11-17-2004, 05:36 PM
Do you have a clue? The average time it takes for a kid drafted out of college to make the majors is about four years. Figuring the kid out of college is 21, he would be 25 by the time he reaches the majors. That's just reaching the majors. Not becoming even an average player.

If the White Sox trade Harris and he becomes an all star, are you going to bash KW for giving up on him so soon?

If you would re-read my post, O genius one I am talking 25 year old rookies are considered non-prospects and traditionally not going to be able to hack it at the major league level.

When he becomes an All-Star, which he won't unless you are :cleo, then I will cross that bridge and admit I am wrong. Right now he is a questionable major leaguer that shouldn't be COUNTED on starting without competition. That is my point. Saying he can hit .300 with 40 steals is the easy part.
Everyone has a selective memory...nobody remembers the reason WHY Willie got benched. I think he went 0-for mid-June if I remember correctly. It's NOT like he was benched while hitting .300.

SoxxoS
11-17-2004, 05:38 PM
No, you are the chump and the punk. Willie Harris is not a mouthy guy. Each year in the minors he improved and last year in the majors he solidly improved in most areas, BP up 60 points or so. If he learns to bunt better and can hit like he did when playing consistently, then he will hit .300. As to 50 SBs, he has the speed, no question. If anyone can coach basestealing, it's Raines. Knowing when to go and how to adjust to a pitcher's move is definately an art not taught in the Sox minor league system. Add that and 50 is an easy number.

I hope you are right ondafarm, but my point is basestealing is more instinct than coaching, b/c if it was coaching everyone semi fast would have at least 20 stolen bases. Didn't CLee steal more bases than Willie if I remeber correctly? That is just sad, and I don't know how much of that can be corrected just by Tim Raines. That is my point.

ondafarm
11-17-2004, 07:16 PM
. . . but my point is basestealing is more instinct than coaching . . .
I totally disagree. Basestealing involves speed, but also smarts and a heck of a lot of techniques. The speed can't be taught. The smarts, well neither can that. Knowing what to look for, knowing when to go, when not to go, where to slide, etc. all of those are things that need teaching in the Sox organization desperately.

When I caught in AA ball, the first couple of weeks a lot of guys tried to run on pure speed on me. No contest. Then for a few weeks nobody ran as they tried to figure out when I'd call a pitch out or snap throw to first, etc. Then as we played teams for the third or more'th series, a lot more guys had my pitchers and me figured out somewhat. So I changed and started getting guys more often.

Willie needed to get his basestealing confidence up , just like his curve ball hitting confidence. He did the latter, his former should be arriving soon. Add more serious study under a great thief (Raines) and he should be deadly.