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santo=dorf
11-09-2004, 03:06 PM
http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/7871193

What's interesting is that Oswalt finished in third, and even Brad Lidge got a vote. So three of Houston's pitchers got recognition. I can't wait for next year when Garcia, Buehrle, Johnson, Mulder, and Shingo all receive votes for the Cy Young award!!

WhiteSoxFan84
11-09-2004, 03:11 PM
Did anyone happen to read that RJ said he feels he can pitch another 4-5 years? I'll tell you what, him and Barry Bonds, I think can perform at a very high level until the age of 47. Well, for Bonds, as long as Balco is around that is.

jackbrohamer
11-09-2004, 04:59 PM
Clemens certainly earned it. I'm glad Randy Johnson didn't whine his way into winning it.

santo=dorf
11-09-2004, 05:09 PM
Clemens certainly earned it. I'm glad Randy Johnson didn't whine his way into winning it.What do you mean "whine his way into winning it?" You can make a case for Randy.

Roger Randy
W-L 18-4 16-14
ERA 2.98 2.60
IP 214.1 245.2
H 169 177
BB 79 44
SO 218 290

Clemens, of course, had greater run support; Johnson was 13-2 when Arizona scored more than 2 runs. Johnson's 8.10 hits+walks per nine innings was the best in the NL since Greg Maddux in 1995. Johnson also had 31 more innings pitched.

13-2 when Arizona scored at least TWO runs!!!

doublem23
11-09-2004, 06:18 PM
Randy Johnson got screwed.

row18
11-09-2004, 08:06 PM
I think it's about time MLB name the award the "Roger Clemens", or atleat have a second award ala" Hank Aaron" (but for pitchers).

munchman33
11-09-2004, 08:42 PM
What do you mean "whine his way into winning it?" You can make a case for Randy.

Roger Randy
W-L 18-4 16-14
ERA 2.98 2.60
IP 214.1 245.2
H 169 177
BB 79 44
SO 218 290

Clemens, of course, had greater run support; Johnson was 13-2 when Arizona scored more than 2 runs. Johnson's 8.10 hits+walks per nine innings was the best in the NL since Greg Maddux in 1995. Johnson also had 31 more innings pitched.

13-2 when Arizona scored at least TWO runs!!!
NO WAY does a guy with 14 losses win the Cy Young, especially when I guy with comparable numbers won more games and lost ten less. Sure, playing for the Diamondbacks screwed him. But this vote was a no-brainer.

doublem23
11-09-2004, 09:11 PM
NO WAY does a guy with 14 losses win the Cy Young, especially when I guy with comparable numbers won more games and lost ten less. Sure, playing for the Diamondbacks screwed him. But this vote was a no-brainer.
You're right, and it is unfortunate that people place that much into a pitcher's win/loss record as a way to judge his season.

Johnson was the NL's best. Hands down.

munchman33
11-09-2004, 09:16 PM
You're right, and it is unfortunate that people place that much into a pitcher's win/loss record as a way to judge his season.
Watch out. Some of the Bartolo Colon fans around here might feel you're insinuating he's not worth the money he's being paid for 18 wins and an era over 5. But he's a proven winner...

MarkEdward
11-10-2004, 01:20 AM
NO WAY does a guy with 14 losses win the Cy Young, especially when I guy with comparable numbers won more games and lost ten less. Sure, playing for the Diamondbacks screwed him. But this vote was a no-brainer.
The numbers weren't very close, though. Johnson's ERC, DIPS, and FIP (another fielding-independent pitching stat, like DIPS) were all a run lower than Clemens. He had a lower walk rate (by almost two walks per nine innings) and comparable home run rate. His ERA+ was 171, compared to Clemens's 145. And he did all this in 30 more innings.

Roger Clemens won because Astros like Carlos Beltran, Lance Berkman, and Jeff Bagwell were better hitters than Diamondbacks like Alex Cintron, Danny Bautista, and Juan Brito.

SoxFan76
11-10-2004, 01:41 AM
Watch out. Some of the Bartolo Colon fans around here might feel you're insinuating he's not worth the money he's being paid for 18 wins and an era over 5. But he's a proven winner...
But he won 18 games. I don't understand that argument. Nice numbers are great to look at, but in the end you either win or lose. That is the concept of the game--to win.

fquaye149
11-10-2004, 07:30 AM
^^^arrrgh.

Arrgh.

munchman33
11-10-2004, 03:49 PM
But he won 18 games. I don't understand that argument. Nice numbers are great to look at, but in the end you either win or lose. That is the concept of the game--to win.
I guess I'll never understand that argument. If you give up 8 runs in five innings and still get the win, are you really a good pitcher?