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Lip Man 1
10-31-2004, 09:01 PM
In the few days after Boston's win a debate was on going about curses, droughts and so forth. Here's the official list from MLB's web site:

Cubs 1908 96
White Sox 1917 87
Indians 1948 56
Giants 1954 50
Rangers -- 43
Astros -- 42
Brewers -- 35
Expos -- 35
Padres -- 35
Mariners-- 27
Pirates 1979 25
Phillies 1980 24
Cardinals 1982 22
Orioles 1983 21
Tigers 1984 20
Roylas 1985 19
Mets 1986 18
Dodgers 1988 16
A's 1989 15
Reds 1990 14
Twins 1991 13
Blue Jays 1993 11
Rockies -- 11
Braves 1995 9
Tampa Bay -- 6
Yankees 2000 4
Diamondbacks 2001 3
Angels 2002 2
Marlins 2003 1
Red Sox 2004 --

* For teams that have never won a world championship, lifespan of franchise is noted

Lip

idseer
10-31-2004, 09:11 PM
i still can't get over how amazing it is that chicago with 2 teams have still managed to come in next to last AND last!


i mean ..... what are the odds?

santo=dorf
10-31-2004, 09:13 PM
Also notable, Philly won its first and only WS in 1980 after 97 years of existence! :anon:

JKryl
10-31-2004, 10:46 PM
Well, it may suck, but there is some light. At least we're 9 years closer than the Cubs. That said and done, did JR ever say when this transition to a, "first class organization", is going to be complete?

He said he was going to do it, but he never said when.

By the way, any idea what we're going to do about a new catcher now? Sandy is gone, and if KW has an idea, he's keeping it pretty close to his vest.

Parrothead
11-01-2004, 12:29 AM
By the way, any idea what we're going to do about a new catcher now? Sandy is gone, and if KW has an idea, he's keeping it pretty close to his vest.
Jamie Burke and Ben Davis are not good enough for you?

Dan H
11-01-2004, 11:23 AM
Whatever happened to that old slogan "It's About Time?"

mdep524
11-01-2004, 12:02 PM
Also notable, Philly won its first and only WS in 1980 after 97 years of existence! :anon:
Wow, I never knew this! Out of curiosity, I wonder- was there as much "mystique" or charm around the Phillies when they were at a 90+ year drought as there is with the Red Sox and the Cubs? Where the Phillies "America's team" that everyone rooted for like the Red Sox and Cubs? Or were they just another team (like the White Sox)? Does anyone remember the Phillies finally winning- was it as big of a deal as the Red Sox win this year?

PaleHoseGeorge
11-01-2004, 12:09 PM
Wow, I never knew this! Out of curiosity, I wonder- was there as much "mystique" or charm around the Phillies when they were at a 90+ year drought as there is with the Red Sox and the Cubs? Where the Phillies "America's team" that everyone rooted for like the Red Sox and Cubs? Or were they just another team (like the White Sox)? Does anyone remember the Phillies finally winning- was it as big of a deal as the Red Sox win this year?The media wasn't nearly as big back then. There weren't 150+ TV channels back in 1980. Also there were still two independently-operated leagues, only four divisions, balanced schedules, no interleague games, and no wild-card. Winning the pennant was still what the game was about, not world championships.

Yes, there was some hyperbole tossed around by NBC's announcers about the Phillies' futility (phutility?) but *nobody* ever called them "America's Team" or mentioned any sort of "curse" to liven up the festivities. Hell, if any team was America's Team it was the LA Dodgers. Manager Tommy Lasorda was a regular guest on Johnny Carson's Tonight Show, always talking about "that big Dodger fan up in the sky."

:lynch&mcfail
"Dammit! Why didn't we think of that?"

Those days are over. Today it's all about entertainment. :cool:

:nandrolone
"That's what I've been trying to tell you!"

Lip Man 1
11-01-2004, 12:38 PM
Keep in mind the Phillies were also one of the dominent N.L. teams of the mid / late 70's winning the Eastern Division three straight years. So they did have some success.

Until 1980 that didn't translate into the playoffs. In fact the Phillies franchise holds the current MLB record for home post season losses with 10.

Right behind them are the Chicago White Sox with nine straight.

What I wouldn't give for the White Sox to win the division three years in a row.

and Dan...don't you mean 'It's Time'?

Lip

PaulDrake
11-01-2004, 01:22 PM
I remember watching the Phillies close out the 1980 World Series on TV. The Philadelphia riot police were on horseback on the field (albeit in foul territory) before the third out in the ninth inning. On a side note, of the sixteen original teams the White Sox have the least WS appearances at 4. Of course some may quibble with how I have come to this conclusion. For instance the old St Louis Browns only made it to one WS in 1944. They were beaten by that other team in St. Louis. The Browns became the Baltimore Orioles in 1954 and have been to the big show 6 times, winning three and losing three. I have added all WS appearances for the Brown/Orioles, Senators/Twins, Bos, Milw, Atl Braves etc. The White Sox are dead last.

jackbrohamer
11-01-2004, 05:23 PM
Those 31 years difference between when the Sox and Cleveland last won the WS is looking smaller and smaller as the decades go by.

It is amazing to me that with all the great players the Giants have had since 1954 (Mays, Bonds, Bonds, McCovey, Marichal, etc.) they haven't won the WS.

JKryl
11-01-2004, 06:05 PM
Jamie Burke and Ben Davis are not good enough for you?
Jamie and Ben? Why not just bring back Karkovice?

dcb33
11-01-2004, 06:55 PM
i still can't get over how amazing it is that chicago with 2 teams have still managed to come in next to last AND last!


i mean ..... what are the odds?
Look on the bright side, at least we've won a World Series unlike some of the other teams.... granted, none of us were alive to see it happen, but that's not important. At least we were the best at one point in time...

Lip Man 1
11-01-2004, 07:18 PM
To me that is of little or no consolation.

Try this on for size...the Florida Marlins have been around for ten years and have two titles!

Lip

jackbrohamer
11-01-2004, 08:23 PM
Try this on for size...the Florida Marlins have been around for ten years and have two titles!

And they have never won a divisiontitle. Which is unbelievable.