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fuzzy_patters
10-29-2004, 03:51 PM
Following are 4 hypothetical middle infields for the 2005 Chicago White Sox. Objectively evaluating the numbers, which infield would you prefer. Note: RFg=range factore per game; FP=fielding percentage; SBP=stolen base percentage

Infield #1
Player A .291 BA .353 OBP .388 SLG 76% SBP .982 FP/SS 4.05 RFg/SS
Player B .283 BA .327 OBP .506 SLG 45% SBP .984 FP/2B 4.85 RFg/2b

Infield #2
Player A .283 BA .327 OBP .506 SLG 45% SBP .972 FP/SS 4.82 RFg/SS
Player B .262 BA .343 OBP .323 SLG 73% SBP .990 FP/2B 4.20 RFg/2B

Infield #3
Player A .291 BA .353 OBP .388 SLG 76% SBP .982 FP/SS 4.05 RFg/SS
Player B .262 BA .343 OBP .323 SLT 73% SBP .990 FP/2B 4.20 RFg/2B

Infield #4
Player A .216 BA .287 OBP .473 SLG 57% SBP .965 FP/SS 4.58 RFg/SS
Player B .262 BA .343 OBP .323 SLT 73% SBP .990 FP/2B 4.20 RFg/2B

mantis1212
10-29-2004, 03:55 PM
I initally voted for #1, but I'd rather have #3.


Interesting post- so when do we see who these guys are?

IlliniSox
10-29-2004, 03:55 PM
How long do I have to keep reloading to find out who we're talking about, I have an idea about #2-got my vote.

fuzzy_patters
10-29-2004, 03:59 PM
I initally voted for #1, but I'd rather have #3.


Interesting post- so when do we see who these guys are?
I will probably post the player's identities once a lot of people have voted. I think it might be interesting to see which infield people prefer without names of players or bias.

Ol' No. 2
10-29-2004, 04:00 PM
Following are 4 hypothetical middle infields for the 2005 Chicago White Sox. Objectively evaluating the numbers, which infield would you prefer. Note: RFg=range factore per game; FP=fielding percentage; SBP=stolen base percentage

Infield #1
Player A .291 BA .353 OBP .388 SLG 76% SBP .982 FP/SS 4.05 RFg/SS
Player B .283 BA .327 OBP .506 SLG 45% SBP .984 FP/2B 4.85 RFg/2b

Infield #2
Player A .283 BA .327 OBP .506 SLG 45% SBP .972 FP/SS 4.82 RFg/SS
Player B .262 BA .343 OBP .323 SLG 73% SBP .990 FP/2B 4.20 RFg/2B

Infield #3
Player A .291 BA .353 OBP .388 SLG 76% SBP .982 FP/SS 4.05 RFg/SS
Player B .262 BA .343 OBP .323 SLT 73% SBP .990 FP/2B 4.20 RFg/2B

Infield #4
Player A .216 BA .287 OBP .473 SLG 57% SBP .965 FP/SS 4.58 RFg/SS
Player B .262 BA .343 OBP .323 SLT 73% SBP .990 FP/2B 4.20 RFg/2BEliminate #4. Among the first three, those stats are close enough that it makes no practical difference. 10 pts in BA works out to about one hit per month. Choose the cheapest among #1-3 and use the money saved for a decent reliever. He'll win a lot more games for you than that extra one hit per month.

Tekijawa
10-29-2004, 04:04 PM
#4 has to be Valentin and Uribe

Ol' No. 2
10-29-2004, 04:06 PM
#4 has to be Valentin and UribeClose. Valentin and Harris. The first three are various combinations of Vizquel, Uribe and Harris. Pretty transparent.

Soxzilla
10-29-2004, 04:12 PM
Everybody should have known who those guys are...

Eitherway, I'm going for numero 1, since I'm a biased prick.

fuzzy_patters
10-29-2004, 04:13 PM
Close. Valentin and Harris. The first three are various combinations of Vizquel, Uribe and Harris. Pretty transparent.
I realize that it is obvious which players are which, but I was hoping that people would vote objectively if they did not have the players names staring at them. This reduces the impact of the "Frank Thomas sucks despite all evidence to the contrary" crowd. My hope was to have a semi-objective poll.

soxfan26
10-29-2004, 04:15 PM
I realize that it is obvious which players are which, but I was hoping that people would vote objectively if they did not have the players names staring at them. This reduces the impact of the "Frank Thomas sucks despite all evidence to the contrary" crowd. My hope was to have a semi-objective poll.
A semi-objective poll?

Two Words: TOTALLY BIASED.

mdep524
10-29-2004, 04:29 PM
OK, while in some instances I agree that looking purely at the numbers is a way to remove bias, you have to realize there are more than just pure numbers that go into selecting the best possible infield. Things like leadership, experience, personality, intelligence, temperment, fan friendliness, coachability, ego, competitiveness... none of that is measured in range factor, SB pct. or slugging pct.

I like numbers as much as the next guy, but you need more than that to determine the best possible infield, especially at a key position like SS.

fuzzy_patters
10-29-2004, 04:44 PM
Okay, I guess I will reveal the names, since most have figured it out anyway.

Infield #1 Vizquel and Uribe
Infield #2 Uribe and Harris
Infield #3 Vizquel and Harris
Infield #4 Valentin and Harris

I probably should have included Valentin and Uribe, but I did not think of it.