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wdelaney72
10-28-2004, 03:28 PM
If you look at the website "Dug Out Dollars", here is how the Yankees contract situation is next year.
http://dugoutdollars.blogspot.com/

Outfield:
K. Lofton - $3.1 million for 2005. FA in 2006.
H. Matsui - $7 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
G. Sheffield - $13 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
B. Williams - $12 million for 2005. FA in 2006.

Starting Pitching:
Kevin Brown - $15 million for 2005. FA in 2006.
Mike Mussina - $19 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
Javier Vasquez - $10.5 million for 2005. FA in 2008.
Jon Lieber - FA??, They'll likely re-sign.

Bullpen:
M. Rivera - $10.5 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
T. Gordon - $3.75 million for 2005. FA in 2006.
F. Heridia - $1.8 million for 2005. FA in 2006.
P. Quantrill - $3 million for 2005. FA in 2006.

Infield:
3B - A. Rodriguez - $20 million for 2005. FA in 2011.
SS - D. Jeter - $20 million for 2005. FA in 2011.
2B - ??
1B - ??
C - J. Posada - $12 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
DH - J. Giambi - $15.5 million for 2005. FA in 2009.

The Yankees have 2 if not 3 glaring holes in their starting rotation. They also have glaring needs at 2B and 1B. If you add up their guaranteed salaries for 2005, it comes to $166 million. Add in contracts for starting pitchers, maybe bullpen help, 2B, 1B, and you have a ridiculous payroll for even the Yankees. I just don't see how Beltran will fit in their plans.

TheBull19
10-28-2004, 03:32 PM
DH - J. Giambi - $15.5 million for 2005. FA in 2009.

The Yankees have 2 if not 3 glaring holes in their starting rotation. They also have glaring needs at 2B and 1B. If you add up their guaranteed salaries for 2005, it comes to $166 million. Add in contracts for starting pitchers, maybe bullpen help, 2B, 1B, and you have a ridiculous payroll for even the Yankees. I just don't see how Beltran will fit in their plans.
For one thing, move Giambi to 1st and Williams to DH on your list and that hole becomes CF.

Ol' No. 2
10-28-2004, 03:34 PM
For one thing, move Giambi to 1st and Williams to DH on your list and that hole becomes CF.And I think they might just have their eye on someone to fill that CF vacancy. Anyone know who it might be?

Flight #24
10-28-2004, 03:37 PM
And I think they might just have their eye on someone to fill that CF vacancy. Anyone know who it might be?
Only if Big Stein's committing to a 220+payroll or going cheap on SPs. Or if he finds a chump to take on Brown AND his salary.

nitetrain8601
10-28-2004, 03:55 PM
And I think they might just have their eye on someone to fill that CF vacancy. Anyone know who it might be?
I thought Jermaine Dye could only play RF

balke
10-28-2004, 03:57 PM
If stienbrenner goes crazy over this season, he dumps Giambi, moves Bernie to DH like said, and picks up a Thome or Thomas at 1st. I'm not sure if Giambi is going to be healthy enough to play next season, or whether he'll get back on steroids so he regains his power. ANyone know?

I think something like that happens, because Bernie is still clutch, but can't play the field like Beltran could. Heck, maybe the sox can get Griffey... sorry random thought. Hmmm.

Anyways, I definitely see the Yanks making an upgrade in CF. Beltran is the most obvious choice. Maybe they go after Jones. I expect the team to change a bit, to add speedy hitters, and a good 1B. Konerko would look good @ 1st, but he seems intent on staying in CHi-town. I'm kinda excited to see what all goes down here in the offseason. Maybe the Yanks are upset w/ how A-Rod turned out? Anyone see Sheff or A-Rod being dumped?

Mickster
10-28-2004, 03:59 PM
The Yankees have 2 if not 3 glaring holes in their starting rotation. They also have glaring needs at 2B and 1B. If you add up their guaranteed salaries for 2005, it comes to $166 million. Add in contracts for starting pitchers, maybe bullpen help, 2B, 1B, and you have a ridiculous payroll for even the Yankees. I just don't see how Beltran will fit in their plans.
You have come to the same conclusion that Rosenthal did in this week's Sporting News. Since the Yanks will be going over the luxury tax threshold for the 3rd time, they will pay a luxury tax of 40% (!!!) on any salary over the threshold. If they are crazy and sign a Beltran, a Pedro and a Pavano, their payroll will be close to $220M. Include the luxury tax and you are looking at something like $285M. Even Crazy George can NOT afford that!!!

SoxFanTillDeath
10-28-2004, 04:34 PM
Look at the roster now and enjoy it while you can, because it's going to look a lot different in a few months. George ain't a happy fellow after the Yankee's choke in the playoffs, and you can be sure there are going to be a few big changes in the team.

#1, they are going to go after pitching this offseason, not hitting, despite what everyone believes. They were so dominant in the late 90s because of their pitching and clutch hitting, and that's what George is going to tell Cashman to emulate. Look for a few big named, expensive players to be traded for cheaper, more consistent players who get the job done but cost 1/2 the price. They're willing to get some high OB guys who are a whole lot cheaper and give A-Rod, Sheff, and Posado the chance to knock them in.

#2, the only way they are going to go after Beltran is if the Red Sox show interest in him. They will work out some sort of deal to keep Beltran out of Boston, but that's it.

#3, their top priorities this offseason are going to be Pedro and Pavano. Mark my words. They might even be selling low on some of their positional players to free a little salary for these pitchers.

Flight #24
10-28-2004, 04:37 PM
#2, the only way they are going to go after Beltran is if the Red Sox show interest in him. They will work out some sort of deal to keep Beltran out of Boston, but that's it.

#3, their top priorities this offseason are going to be Pedro and Pavano. Mark my words. They might even be selling low on some of their positional players to free a little salary for these pitchers.
Well, I think the ChiSox would be willing to accept a Vazquez+Beltran+cash for Konerko+Everett deal!

wdelaney72
10-28-2004, 04:58 PM
"If stienbrenner goes crazy over this season, he dumps Giambi..."

No f-n way. You are talking about eating $80 million dollars. Not going to happen.

My point on this is, it's not as simple as Steinbrenner trading away players and eating salary. They are locked into A TON of cash. Even if they move Williams to 1st base, freeing up CF for Beltran, I still don't think it will happen. They need pitching in the worst possible way - 2 of them to be exact. I think 2 starting pitchers and Beltran and a 2nd baseman is even too much for the Yankees.

nodiggity59
10-28-2004, 05:03 PM
"If stienbrenner goes crazy over this season, he dumps Giambi..."

No f-n way. You are talking about eating $80 million dollars. Not going to happen.

My point on this is, it's not as simple as Steinbrenner trading away players and eating salary. They are locked into A TON of cash. Even if they move Williams to 1st base, freeing up CF for Beltran, I still don't think it will happen. They need pitching in the worst possible way - 2 of them to be exact. I think 2 starting pitchers and Beltran and a 2nd baseman is even too much for the Yankees.
Since when is Miguel Cairo a hole? He's better than most 2BS and WAS NOT the margin of victory for the Yanks this year. I for one think it is this:

SP- $15mil (RJ or Pedro)
SP- $8-10mil (Pavano, Clement, etc)
Beltran $12-13mil (to start b/c of backloading)
Nice Reliever $2-3mil

The total cost of this would be close to $40mil dollars. If the Yanks can dump even 1 salary, I have no doubt George will make the moves.

Mickster
10-28-2004, 05:09 PM
Since when is Miguel Cairo a hole? He's better than most 2BS and WAS NOT the margin of victory for the Yanks this year. I for one think it is this:

SP- $15mil (RJ or Pedro)
SP- $8-10mil (Pavano, Clement, etc)
Beltran $12-13mil (to start b/c of backloading)
Nice Reliever $2-3mil

The total cost of this would be close to $40mil dollars. If the Yanks can dump even 1 salary, I have no doubt George will make the moves.
Current payroll is $182M, adding $40M = $222M. Dumping 1 "big" contract will require eating most, if not all of it. If they have a $220M payroll, they have to pay a 40% luxury tax over the threshold. They are looking at $285M total cost including luxury taxes due. NEVER. GONNA. HAPPEN. George's free spending will backfire on him!

jabrch
10-28-2004, 05:09 PM
Even Crazy George can NOT afford that!!!
Do you really believe that? I don't.

jabrch
10-28-2004, 05:10 PM
George's free spending will backfire on him!
He is spending from revenues, not from his pocket. The team has such a crazy revenue stream that it can spend that sort of money and still make money. Steinbrenner could spend 300mm and still not have to pull one red cent from his pocket.

nodiggity59
10-28-2004, 05:12 PM
Current payroll is $182M, adding $40M = $222M. Dumping 1 "big" contract will require eating most, if not all of it. If they have a $220M payroll, they have to pay a 40% luxury tax over the threshold. They are looking at $285M total cost including luxury taxes due. NEVER. GONNA. HAPPEN. George's free spending will backfire on him!
What makes you say so? What proof do you have that George cannot afford this? Until someone comes up with some revenue and expense numbers, we have to assume George will continue behaving as he has in the past.

Mickster
10-28-2004, 05:12 PM
Do you really believe that? I don't.
According to the Rosenthal SN article, 2002 NY revenue was $221M. That was before the Yes Network. Add $60-70M to that revenue and he will be operating at a break-even if he has a $220M payroll (when you factor in the $65-70M in luxury tax that will be due).

Flight #24
10-28-2004, 05:12 PM
Since when is Miguel Cairo a hole? He's better than most 2BS and WAS NOT the margin of victory for the Yanks this year. I for one think it is this:

SP- $15mil (RJ or Pedro)
SP- $8-10mil (Pavano, Clement, etc)
Beltran $12-13mil (to start b/c of backloading)
Nice Reliever $2-3mil

The total cost of this would be close to $40mil dollars. If the Yanks can dump even 1 salary, I have no doubt George will make the moves.
$193mil + $40mil = $233mil. Add in luxury tax of 40% above what I believe is a 128mil threshhold, and you end up paying $275mil.

That's not likely to decline significantly because if the Yanks ARE abl to move someone, it almost certainly will involve eating significant salary or taking some back in return.

While I can see George raising payroll, going to $275mil is a stretch even for him.

Mickster
10-28-2004, 05:15 PM
What makes you say so? What proof do you have that George cannot afford this? Until someone comes up with some revenue and expense numbers, we have to assume George will continue behaving as he has in the past.
He paid a total of $235M in payroll last year. $182M went to players, $53M went to luxury tax. Some on this board are suggesting he add $40M to payroll on top of the higher luxury tax (at 40% for 2005 b/c it is the 3rd year over the threshold) and you are looking at costs over $285M on the low end.

Flight #24
10-28-2004, 05:16 PM
What makes you say so? What proof do you have that George cannot afford this? Until someone comes up with some revenue and expense numbers, we have to assume George will continue behaving as he has in the past.
Then I predict that George will sign Pavano, Beltran, Pedro, Clement, & Smoltz, trade for Randy Johnson, & take on Manny Ramirez when the BoSox put him back on waivers. If necessary to open up roster spots, he'll give away Kevin Brown & Javy Vazquez & Jason Giambi, eating all of their salaries.

Hey, without any revenue or expense #s, why not believe that? He's done it in the past!

nodiggity59
10-28-2004, 05:17 PM
$193mil + $40mil = $233mil. Add in luxury tax of 40% above what I believe is a 128mil threshhold, and you end up paying $275mil.

That's not likely to decline significantly because if the Yanks ARE abl to move someone, it almost certainly will involve eating significant salary or taking some back in return.

While I can see George raising payroll, going to $275mil is a stretch even for him.
WHAT MAKES YOU SAY IT IS A STRETCH!!! Please, George Steinbrenner has earned the reputation to make people believe he will spend whatever it takes. Unless you have numbers, you will have to wait it out before you summarily deny he can't take it to that level. $275 is unreal, but so is $240!!!

Mickster
10-28-2004, 05:19 PM
WHAT MAKES YOU SAY IT IS A STRETCH!!! Please, George Steinbrenner has earned the reputation to make people believe he will spend whatever it takes. Unless you have numbers, you will have to wait it out before you summarily deny he can't take it to that level. $275 is unreal, but so is $240!!!
We'll just have to wait and see. :smile:

Ol' No. 2
10-28-2004, 06:06 PM
Current payroll is $182M, adding $40M = $222M. Dumping 1 "big" contract will require eating most, if not all of it. If they have a $220M payroll, they have to pay a 40% luxury tax over the threshold. They are looking at $285M total cost including luxury taxes due. NEVER. GONNA. HAPPEN. George's free spending will backfire on him!I don't know where you got $285M. The threshold is $128M. Even if they did go to $222M, the luxury tax is 40% of the excess, or $37.6M for a total of just under $260M. For 2004 they paid 30% of the excess over $120.5M, or $18.5M, and a total of just over $200M. But it's likely they'll dump some salary, the most likely being Kevin Brown. I don't know what Tony Clark and Ruben Sierra are making and their contract status for next year, but they could also be candidates for the pink slip. Loaiza, too. I've also heard they may try to convince Giambi to retire due to health reasons, in which case the insurance would pay off and offset part of the money they owe him.

No question pitching will be their first priority, but Steinbrenner needs a CF and it would be HIGHLY uncharacteristic of him not to go after a guy like Beltran.

Foulke29
10-28-2004, 06:23 PM
If you look at the website "Dug Out Dollars", here is how the Yankees contract situation is next year.
http://dugoutdollars.blogspot.com/

Outfield:
K. Lofton - $3.1 million for 2005. FA in 2006.
H. Matsui - $7 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
G. Sheffield - $13 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
B. Williams - $12 million for 2005. FA in 2006.

Starting Pitching:
Kevin Brown - $15 million for 2005. FA in 2006.
Mike Mussina - $19 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
Javier Vasquez - $10.5 million for 2005. FA in 2008.
Jon Lieber - FA??, They'll likely re-sign.

Bullpen:
M. Rivera - $10.5 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
T. Gordon - $3.75 million for 2005. FA in 2006.
F. Heridia - $1.8 million for 2005. FA in 2006.
P. Quantrill - $3 million for 2005. FA in 2006.

Infield:
3B - A. Rodriguez - $20 million for 2005. FA in 2011.
SS - D. Jeter - $20 million for 2005. FA in 2011.
2B - ??
1B - ??
C - J. Posada - $12 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
DH - J. Giambi - $15.5 million for 2005. FA in 2009.

The Yankees have 2 if not 3 glaring holes in their starting rotation. They also have glaring needs at 2B and 1B. If you add up their guaranteed salaries for 2005, it comes to $166 million. Add in contracts for starting pitchers, maybe bullpen help, 2B, 1B, and you have a ridiculous payroll for even the Yankees. I just don't see how Beltran will fit in their plans.
I'm sure KW will make a trade or two with Cashman to take a few bucks off King George's hands. Hey - why not bring back Kenny Lofton?

MRKARNO
10-28-2004, 08:07 PM
Note: because of the luxury tax parts which kick in next year, the Yankees have to pay about 130% of the salary of whoever they sign. If they sign Beltran at 20 Mil a year, they'd have to pay about 28 mil in total per year. This might severely handicap the Yankees' ability to sign FAs.

Ol' No. 2
10-28-2004, 10:01 PM
Note: because of the luxury tax parts which kick in next year, the Yankees have to pay about 130% of the salary of whoever they sign. If they sign Beltran at 20 Mil a year, they'd have to pay about 28 mil in total per year. This might severely handicap the Yankees' ability to sign FAs.It really put a crimp in their FA signings last year, didn't it?

cornball
10-28-2004, 10:19 PM
If you look at the website "Dug Out Dollars", here is how the Yankees contract situation is next year.
http://dugoutdollars.blogspot.com/

Outfield:
K. Lofton - $3.1 million for 2005. FA in 2006.
H. Matsui - $7 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
G. Sheffield - $13 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
B. Williams - $12 million for 2005. FA in 2006.

Starting Pitching:
Kevin Brown - $15 million for 2005. FA in 2006.
Mike Mussina - $19 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
Javier Vasquez - $10.5 million for 2005. FA in 2008.
Jon Lieber - FA??, They'll likely re-sign.

Bullpen:
M. Rivera - $10.5 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
T. Gordon - $3.75 million for 2005. FA in 2006.
F. Heridia - $1.8 million for 2005. FA in 2006.
P. Quantrill - $3 million for 2005. FA in 2006.

Infield:
3B - A. Rodriguez - $20 million for 2005. FA in 2011.
SS - D. Jeter - $20 million for 2005. FA in 2011.
2B - ??
1B - ??
C - J. Posada - $12 million for 2005. FA in 2007.
DH - J. Giambi - $15.5 million for 2005. FA in 2009.

The Yankees have 2 if not 3 glaring holes in their starting rotation. They also have glaring needs at 2B and 1B. If you add up their guaranteed salaries for 2005, it comes to $166 million. Add in contracts for starting pitchers, maybe bullpen help, 2B, 1B, and you have a ridiculous payroll for even the Yankees. I just don't see how Beltran will fit in their plans.
wdelaney72, great post and you have the greatest signature ever. So funny.

Mickster
10-28-2004, 10:35 PM
I don't know where you got $285M. The threshold is $128M. Even if they did go to $222M, the luxury tax is 40% of the excess, or $37.6M for a total of just under $260M. For 2004 they paid 30% of the excess over $120.5M, or $18.5M, and a total of just over $200M. But it's likely they'll dump some salary, the most likely being Kevin Brown. I don't know what Tony Clark and Ruben Sierra are making and their contract status for next year, but they could also be candidates for the pink slip. Loaiza, too. I've also heard they may try to convince Giambi to retire due to health reasons, in which case the insurance would pay off and offset part of the money they owe him.

No question pitching will be their first priority, but Steinbrenner needs a CF and it would be HIGHLY uncharacteristic of him not to go after a guy like Beltran.I should have clarified my post better because I did not differentiate between the luxury tax and potential revenue sharing. Luxury taxes kick in for any team that exceeds a payroll of $128M. You are correct that 40% of $92M will be about $37M. Add that to $220M in possible salaries and you have $257M. Last year, however, the Yanks paid approx. $52M in revenue sharing to MLB teams. Revenue sharing is separate from luxury taxes. They would have to pay at least the 2004 amount ($52M) on top of salaries ($220M) and luxury taxes ($37M). Bottom line, if they do end up having a payroll at or about $220M, they will end up paying over $300M when all is said and done.

We all know that the Yanks make boatloads of money but when you are paying over $300M to players, luxury taxes and revenue sharing, the bottom line begins to shrink and might even go into the red.

I would like to apologize, however. It appears that I hijacked the thread. Sorry. :(::hijacked:

Flight #24
10-28-2004, 10:50 PM
I don't know where you got $285M. The threshold is $128M. Even if they did go to $222M, the luxury tax is 40% of the excess, or $37.6M for a total of just under $260M. For 2004 they paid 30% of the excess over $120.5M, or $18.5M, and a total of just over $200M. But it's likely they'll dump some salary, the most likely being Kevin Brown. I don't know what Tony Clark and Ruben Sierra are making and their contract status for next year, but they could also be candidates for the pink slip. Loaiza, too. I've also heard they may try to convince Giambi to retire due to health reasons, in which case the insurance would pay off and offset part of the money they owe him.

No question pitching will be their first priority, but Steinbrenner needs a CF and it would be HIGHLY uncharacteristic of him not to go after a guy like Beltran.
Anyone they dump is going to involve significant cash being sent along, or significant salary coming back. Therefore, I doubt very much that they'll be able to save much. So signing say 35mil worth of players is going to mean an increase of around 50mil to an already high payroll. Could happen, but I doubt it.

Ol' No. 2
10-28-2004, 11:24 PM
Anyone they dump is going to involve significant cash being sent along, or significant salary coming back. Therefore, I doubt very much that they'll be able to save much. So signing say 35mil worth of players is going to mean an increase of around 50mil to an already high payroll. Could happen, but I doubt it.You think they couldn't give Kevin Brown (and most of his salary) away to some team for virtually nothing in return? I'll bet they can find at least one taker. Giambi is the biggest stone on their payroll, and they're stuck with him for a good long time. If they can get out from under that, the situation changes completely. And don't forget, Texas is paying a chunk of Rodriguez' salary, so it's not all on Steinbrenner's dime. Maybe Steinbrenner will change his spots, but if I were betting, I'd bet against it.

Flight #24
10-28-2004, 11:29 PM
You think they couldn't give Kevin Brown (and most of his salary) away to some team for virtually nothing in return? I'll bet they can find at least one taker. Giambi is the biggest stone on their payroll, and they're stuck with him for a good long time. If they can get out from under that, the situation changes completely. And don't forget, Texas is paying a chunk of Rodriguez' salary, so it's not all on Steinbrenner's dime. Maybe Steinbrenner will change his spots, but if I were betting, I'd bet against it.
I thought their salary figure included the offsets for ARod, as well as the cash for Contreras.

As for Brown - no, I don't think there are many teams that would take him for free for more than $5mil. Instead, you could just throw 10mil at one of the FAs and likely get a better bet. So George will have to send a lot of $$$ or take another bad salary (i.e. Sox sign Beltran and trade Everett for Brown+cash).

Ol' No. 2
10-28-2004, 11:32 PM
I thought their salary figure included the offsets for ARod, as well as the cash for Contreras.

As for Brown - no, I don't think there are many teams that would take him for free for more than $5mil. Instead, you could just throw 10mil at one of the FAs and likely get a better bet. So George will have to send a lot of $$$ or take another bad salary (i.e. Sox sign Beltran and trade Everett for Brown+cash).Flight, do you dream of Carlos Beltran in a Sox uniform at night?

Jjav829
10-28-2004, 11:36 PM
Flight, do you dream of Carlos Beltran in a Sox uniform at night?
You mean you don't? :?:

Mickster
10-28-2004, 11:38 PM
You mean you don't? :?:
I do. :D:

Flight #24
10-28-2004, 11:42 PM
Flight, do you dream of Carlos Beltran in a Sox uniform at night?
Nah, I don't sleep long enough to dream much (a teething baby will do that to you). But in terms of deeppink, that's got to be right up there as the top pipedream.

Ol' No. 2
10-28-2004, 11:55 PM
Nah, I don't sleep long enough to dream much (a teething baby will do that to you). But in terms of deeppink, that's got to be right up there as the top pipedream.Been there. After a while you learn to sleep fast.

The Sox were 3rd in the AL in offense in 2004 and 11th in pitching. If you're going to improve the team, I'd go for pitching. Give me Randy Johnson.

wdelaney72
10-29-2004, 09:52 AM
wdelaney72, great post and you have the greatest signature ever. So funny.Thank you. I think most on the board have not seen the "Ladies Man" movie, and therefore don't understand the Comiskey connection. I loved the movie, and I loved that that quote happened at our ballpark.

Again, someone posted something about George dumping salary. If you look at these contracts, no other team would take them on, except Matsui's, but the Yanks aren't that stupid to get rid of him.

Cairo is a FA. Therefore there's a hole at 2B to be signed. Granted Cairo might get re-signed, but still, it's more money that has to be thrown into the equation. The Yanks need pitching, not Beltran. I'm telling you right now, he's not going to the Yankees.

Mickster
10-29-2004, 10:04 AM
Again, someone posted something about George dumping salary. If you look at these contracts, no other team would take them on, except Matsui's, but the Yanks aren't that stupid to get rid of him.

Cairo is a FA. Therefore there's a hole at 2B to be signed. Granted Cairo might get re-signed, but still, it's more money that has to be thrown into the equation. The Yanks need pitching, not Beltran. I'm telling you right now, he's not going to the Yankees.
Completely agree.

Paulwny
10-29-2004, 05:34 PM
Yanks just declined options on Quantrill and Lee, $5 mil freed up for FA's.

According to the Twin Cities pioneer Press, the yanks have declined their option on Jon Lieber, $8 mil freed up.

Flight #24
10-29-2004, 10:14 PM
According to the Twin Cities pioneer Press, the yanks have declined their option on Jon Lieber, $8 mil freed up.
As well as another hole in the rotation. If the rumors about Brown & Vazquez are true, they now need 3 SPs. And the 2 they have: Mussina & El Duque aren't exactly threatening to shut teams out anytime....

Tragg
10-30-2004, 02:23 AM
"If stienbrenner goes crazy over this season, he dumps Giambi..."

No f-n way. You are talking about eating $80 million dollars. Not going to happen.

My point on this is, it's not as simple as Steinbrenner trading away players and eating salary. They are locked into A TON of cash. Even if they move Williams to 1st base, freeing up CF for Beltran, I still don't think it will happen. They need pitching in the worst possible way - 2 of them to be exact. I think 2 starting pitchers and Beltran and a 2nd baseman is even too much for the Yankees.They need pitching; so I predict they'll try to conceive some deals where they can move players and pick up 1/3 - 1/2 the salary. Their O will take a hit, but it needs to.
For example, what if they did this: trade Williams and $4 million to the Sox for Konerko (not suggesting it by any means); trade Giambi and 15 mill for a pitcher; trade Sheffield and $5 mill for a pitcher. Now they have 2 pitchers and no additional salary. Then sign Beltran and a moderately priced outfielder. And maybe they could get someone to take Kevin Brown plus 7 mill for a moderately priced outfielder and prospects.

Flight #24
10-30-2004, 08:23 AM
They need pitching; so I predict they'll try to conceive some deals where they can move players and pick up 1/3 - 1/2 the salary. Their O will take a hit, but it needs to.
For example, what if they did this: trade Williams and $4 million to the Sox for Konerko (not suggesting it by any means); trade Giambi and 15 mill for a pitcher; trade Sheffield and $5 mill for a pitcher. Now they have 2 pitchers and no additional salary. Then sign Beltran and a moderately priced outfielder. And maybe they could get someone to take Kevin Brown plus 7 mill for a moderately priced outfielder and prospects.
Sheff+5mil for Garland? Sounds good to me!:D:

Paulwny
10-30-2004, 11:37 AM
As well as another hole in the rotation. If the rumors about Brown & Vazquez are true, they now need 3 SPs. And the 2 they have: Mussina & El Duque aren't exactly threatening to shut teams out anytime....
According to the article, the $8 mil will be offered to Eric Milton and the Twins will make a bid for Lieber.