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shagar69
10-26-2004, 03:18 PM
According to the NY Post, If the A's cant sign hudson to a contract, they will try to trade him. He is a FA after 05. IMO, they will probably be looking for a replacement for Dye. How bout giving them either C. lee or PK? PK would DH for them and Lee would play OF for them. with the money of one of those guys off the books, we would be able to sign hudson longterm. heres the article: http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/31091.htm

Flight #24
10-26-2004, 03:26 PM
According to the NY Post, If the A's cant sign hudson to a contract, they will try to trade him. He is a FA after 05. IMO, they will probably be looking for a replacement for Dye. How bout giving them either C. lee or PK? PK would DH for them and Lee would play OF for them. with the money of one of those guys off the books, we would be able to sign hudson longterm. heres the article: http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/31091.htm
Prophetically discussed briefly this AM here: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=41250&page=3

Ol' No. 2
10-26-2004, 04:06 PM
According to the NY Post, If the A's cant sign hudson to a contract, they will try to trade him. He is a FA after 05. IMO, they will probably be looking for a replacement for Dye. How bout giving them either C. lee or PK? PK would DH for them and Lee would play OF for them. with the money of one of those guys off the books, we would be able to sign hudson longterm. heres the article: http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/31091.htmIf they trade him, it won't be for someone making MORE money and whose contract is also up after 05.

soxtalker
10-26-2004, 04:18 PM
If they trade him, it won't be for someone making MORE money and whose contract is also up after 05.

I agree. While it was certainly self-promoting, Moneyball did give a pretty clear indication of Beane's general approach to hiring players. I'm sure that he'd think that he could replace the value that Lee or Konerko would deliver with much cheaper alternatives (possibly a combination of players). Maybe the minor leaguers we have could tempt him, but he can probably find better options elsewhere.

kittle42
10-26-2004, 04:27 PM
If they trade him, it won't be for someone making MORE money and whose contract is also up after 05.
Shh....complex...thought...hurting...brain...of... hot stove...trade...suggestors.

munchman33
10-26-2004, 06:12 PM
I agree. While it was certainly self-promoting, Moneyball did give a pretty clear indication of Beane's general approach to hiring players. I'm sure that he'd think that he could replace the value that Lee or Konerko would deliver with much cheaper alternatives (possibly a combination of players). Maybe the minor leaguers we have could tempt him, but he can probably find better options elsewhere.
Actually, Carlos Lee fits the type of offensive player Beane looks for. He takes walks and swings hard. The payroll difference is pretty much a wash.

batmanZoSo
10-26-2004, 06:40 PM
According to the NY Post, If the A's cant sign hudson to a contract, they will try to trade him. He is a FA after 05. IMO, they will probably be looking for a replacement for Dye. How bout giving them either C. lee or PK? PK would DH for them and Lee would play OF for them. with the money of one of those guys off the books, we would be able to sign hudson longterm. heres the article: http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/31091.htm

http://www.pearl-jam.com/simpsons/sihmahh.jpg
Tim Hudson...ughghughgughghghgh....

Hangar18
10-26-2004, 06:41 PM
According to the NY Post, If the A's cant sign hudson to a contract, they will try to trade him. He is a FA after 05. IMO, they will probably be looking for a replacement for Dye. How bout giving them either C. lee or PK? PK would DH for them and Lee would play OF for them. with the money of one of those guys off the books, we would be able to sign hudson longterm. heres the article: http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/31091.htm
Hudson is coming to Chicago, make no mistake about it. All the minor league players Darth Hendry DIDNT trade the last few years, will come in handy
this offseason as he trades for him. *sighs*

Hangar18
10-26-2004, 06:59 PM
If The cubs make a ton of moves, sign big time free-agents
to make themselves better this offseason, and the SOX, who happen
to be in the Same actual city as the northside corporation, decide to sit on their hands, and end up just as good as last year (we see where that led them) or
even Worse ................

santo=dorf
10-26-2004, 07:01 PM
If The cubs make a ton of moves, sign big time free-agents
to make themselves better this offseason, and the SOX, who happen
to be in the Same actual city as the northside corporation, decide to sit on their hands, and end up just as good as last year (we see where that led them) or
even Worse ................Quit dragging the Cubs into this.
Why would they want Hudson? :?:

Iguana775
10-26-2004, 07:03 PM
Diaz and borchard for hudson!

Hangar18
10-26-2004, 07:14 PM
Quit dragging the Cubs into this.
Why would they want Hudson? :?:
Because the Flubbies are SUBTRACTING Clement from their rotation.
IF Uncle Jerry were running the flubbies, theyd leave a gaping hole in their
#5 spot (live weve done the last 5 yrs running now) See, the Flubbies
actually FILL the holes they create, whereas the SOX leave Gaping Holes
open and trade valuable minor-leaguers to Fill the Holes they themselves
created. Not a smart way to run a team, because the moves always most
certainly come back to haunt them. The SOX are a good example, considering the SOX have fallen short of the playoffs every year since 2000. If the Flubbies dont go after Hudson, it wont be because they didnt try ....

The SOX on the other hand .....
PS. I bring the Evil Team into this, because they reside in the very same city as us, matter of fact, 8miles separates us. how 2 teams can have very differing Business Philosophies .......is beyond me.

jabrch
10-26-2004, 07:21 PM
how 2 teams can have very differing Business Philosophies .......is beyond me.
Have you ever have managed a business with revnues, expenses and budgets before? Comparing the Cubs to the Sox in terms of how they run their businesses is ridiculous. The Cubs have a 95mm payroll. It is a lot easier to spend money when you have more of it to spend. They draw more fans and they have a more expensive TV/Radio deal.

And by the way, up until about 2 years ago they didn't really outspend the Sox. That's a recent trend.

Hangar18
10-26-2004, 07:34 PM
Have you ever have managed a business with revnues, expenses and budgets before? Comparing the Cubs to the Sox in terms of how they run their businesses is ridiculous. The Cubs have a 95mm payroll. It is a lot easier to spend money when you have more of it to spend. They draw more fans and they have a more expensive TV/Radio deal.

And by the way, up until about 2 years ago they didn't really outspend the Sox. That's a recent trend.
The Cubs spent 95Million because they decided they wanted to. The SOX can do the same. Jerry tells us Chicago is a Small Market. The US Census Bureau, The Tribune, and Minnesota Fans tell us otherwise. The SOX having less fans is THEIR own fault. SOX fans didnt stop showing up without a good reason. The SOX foolishly dont realize theyre gonna have to Deficit Spend ........ JUST TO WIN THE FANS BACK. They continue not doing so, and they keep getting 20K a nite....and finishing in 2nd place. Soon the "core" of players we have (window of opportunity) will get too old & Expensive, and we'll be "rebuilding" once again. And they wonder why
they havnt been to the World Series since 1959.

Its gotten to the point where the other team can put monkeys on the field in little blue hats, and the fans will go Wild. The Sox have no such luck.

soxfan26
10-26-2004, 09:28 PM
Hudson is coming to Chicago, make no mistake about it. All the minor league players Darth Hendry DIDNT trade the last few years, will come in handy
this offseason as he trades for him. *sighs*

:hijacked:

Here we go again...

OEO Magglio
10-26-2004, 09:45 PM
Hudson is coming to Chicago, make no mistake about it. All the minor league players Darth Hendry DIDNT trade the last few years, will come in handy
this offseason as he trades for him. *sighs*
My god....you're officially the president of FOJH, your worse then some of the FOBB members.

California Sox
10-26-2004, 09:54 PM
The Hudson story was in the New York paper because one of the New York teams is probably going to get him.

How's this for the way Billy Beane works? Trade Hudson to NYY for Javier Vazquez (and a prospect?) plus half of Vazquez's salary for the life of his contract. So, the A's get an ace pitcher to replace Hudson for 5 mil a year. Vazquez bounces back from a subpar year (possibly having to do with the pressure of pitching in the Bronx) and the Yankees get a highly paid sinkerballer to replace Kevin Brown who they ship to Atlanta for a bag of Twizzlers, paying his entire salary. The Yankees are $30 mil lighter but they get a start on straightening out their rotation. George is not going to like the visions of the Red Sox jumping around on his field that will run in his nightmares until spring.

Flight #24
10-26-2004, 10:57 PM
The Cubs spent 95Million because they decided they wanted to. The SOX can do the same. Jerry tells us Chicago is a Small Market. The US Census Bureau, The Tribune, and Minnesota Fans tell us otherwise. The SOX having less fans is THEIR own fault. SOX fans didnt stop showing up without a good reason. The SOX foolishly dont realize theyre gonna have to Deficit Spend ........ JUST TO WIN THE FANS BACK. They continue not doing so, and they keep getting 20K a nite....and finishing in 2nd place. Soon the "core" of players we have (window of opportunity) will get too old & Expensive, and we'll be "rebuilding" once again. And they wonder why
they havnt been to the World Series since 1959.

Its gotten to the point where the other team can put monkeys on the field in little blue hats, and the fans will go Wild. The Sox have no such luck.
You contradict your own point. The Cubs can easily spend 95mil because they "put monkeys on the field in little blue hats, and the fans will go Wild.". To do the same, the Sox would have to "Deficit Spend ". Big difference.

And before we go down that path, all of this assumes that they're not minting cash off of the franchise. I will stipulate that if they are, then they can increase payroll dramatically, but that wouldn't fall under "Deficit Spending".

mdep524
10-27-2004, 01:48 AM
The Hudson story was in the New York paper because one of the New York teams is probably going to get him.

How's this for the way Billy Beane works? Trade Hudson to NYY for Javier Vazquez (and a prospect?) plus half of Vazquez's salary for the life of his contract. So, the A's get an ace pitcher to replace Hudson for 5 mil a year. Vazquez bounces back from a subpar year (possibly having to do with the pressure of pitching in the Bronx) and the Yankees get a highly paid sinkerballer to replace Kevin Brown who they ship to Atlanta for a bag of Twizzlers, paying his entire salary. The Yankees are $30 mil lighter but they get a start on straightening out their rotation. George is not going to like the visions of the Red Sox jumping around on his field that will run in his nightmares until spring.While the content of most of this thread is... umm... let's go with "questionable" (Konerko to Oakland? Hudson to the Cubs? Sox vs. Cubs "philosophies," etc. :rolleyes: ), your point Cali Sox is an EXCELLENT one.

This is exactly the kind of trade the Yankees make- trading a player for one at the same (or similar) position they think is empirically better: Weaver for Brown, Soriano for ARod, Contreras for Loaiza. And it might be the kind of trade the A's make- trading a player at max value for a proven player who had a slump- depending on how much money the Yanks throw their way.

On top of all that, you are dead on about the reason this Hudson story was in the NY paper: they "recruit" players the same way the Cubs do with the Cubune (hate to bring up the Cubs, but its valid here). Whenever ANY player is available, the NY media makes a huge story about how the Yankees are a great suitor. For example, I don't think the RJ-to-the-Yankees rumors had any merit until the NY media kept pumping them up. All baseball news and rumors are reported in the context of the Yankees, its like all New York media has a superiority complex.

So I have to say Vazquez plus cash for Hudson makes a lot of sense. I hope the Sox swoop in and get one of those guys, as they are far and away better than any FA pitchers the Sox could sign for comparable money. Anyway, great, great post Cali Sox. POTW.:cheers:

jabrch
10-27-2004, 01:52 AM
The Cubs spent 95Million because they decided they wanted to. The SOX can do the same. Jerry tells us Chicago is a Small Market. The US Census Bureau, The Tribune, and Minnesota Fans tell us otherwise.
A market size is not judged by the number of PEOPLE in a given area. It is judged by the number of customers and prospective customers. The Sox fan base is smaller, and spends less money than your dearly beloved cubs.


The SOX foolishly dont realize theyre gonna have to Deficit Spend ........ JUST TO WIN THE FANS BACK. They continue not doing so, and they keep getting 20K a nite....and finishing in 2nd place. Soon the "core" of players we have (window of opportunity) will get too old & Expensive, and we'll be "rebuilding" once again.

They will not "defecit spend" under this current ownership. It is not approved under the owners agreement. You are living in a FANTASY world if you think that will happen.


Its gotten to the point where the other team can put monkeys on the field in little blue hats, and the fans will go Wild. The Sox have no such luck.

This is just nonsense. Did you see the fans boo Patterson, Alou and Sosa all season? As far as monkeys, you obviously realize how talented your Cubs are - surely top 5 in talent level in the game.


And by the way - if that was a response to me - and since you quoted me, I assume it was - it was 100% nonresponsive to my initial post. But it was nice to see you get on your cub-loving high horse again. We all miss that when you take 15 minutes off to bash the media or the team's ownership.

Hangar18
10-27-2004, 10:43 AM
[QUOTE=jabrch]

This is just nonsense. Did you see the fans boo Patterson, Alou and Sosa all season?

QUOTE]

If anyone remembers ....... Mike Murphy, (who used his morning show as his cub mouthpiece) bitched and moaned and groaned for WEEKS on end,
on what was wrong with Patterson and Alou, (thus STEERING the Fans)
and why they werent booing them more, they should be benched etc etc.
Soon after ....... on Cue, and like the SHEEP they are, they began "Booing".
Murph almost patted himself on the back, for Pattersons sudden turnaround,
instead "owe it to the great cub fans in this town, booing him til he got his act together". So no, the Sheep at the Urinal, like a TV audience, were CUED.

Hangar18
10-27-2004, 10:56 AM
[QUOTE=jabrch]
And by the way - if that was a response to me - and since you quoted me ........QUOTE]

No Jabrch, wasnt meant to be a slight to you, I was simply pointing
out something in your post :cool: