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SEALgep
10-11-2004, 08:55 PM
There has been speculation of whether or not Pierre is on the block due to having a stud CF waiting in the wings. He's cheap, but could serve to fill a hole or two if they decided to go that route. Everyone here would no doubtedly welcome Carlos Beltran to the team as well, for obvious reasons. My question is, if it could be done somehow, would you rather trade Lee for Pierre (or some variation of this) and use the FA money on a stud pitcher, or sign Beltran and use Lee to trade for another starter from somewhere.

FightingBillini
10-11-2004, 09:04 PM
As much as I would LOVE to have Beltran, he would cost an arm and a leg, which means we not only wouldnt fill other holes, we would have to dump some salary and create more holes. Pierre is a damn good player. Let send Judy to the Marlins for him.


Wow, as I type this Beltran just hit his second homer of the game & fourth of the series. Now Im undecided:cool: .

santo=dorf
10-11-2004, 09:06 PM
BELTRAN HOMERS AGAIN!!!!

Please sign him JR!!!

Shingotime!!
10-11-2004, 09:13 PM
Pierre is exactly what this club needs, a leadoff hitter who can steal bases while still being able to hit (Yes i know that beltran can steal to) but leadoff has been a glaring problem for the sox. Also, Pierre wont cost to much and we can spend more on pitchin. Im not sure who the marlins would want.

kittle42
10-11-2004, 09:24 PM
Both, and a 20 million payroll increase.

Wait, this is small-market city Chicago - can't do it.

Shingotime!!
10-11-2004, 09:27 PM
What would happen if Jerry R. died?

SEALgep
10-11-2004, 09:43 PM
Both, and a 20 million payroll increase.

Wait, this is small-market city Chicago - can't do it.It just never ends for you. It's as if you are trying to bring a worthless response to anything you can. If you hate that the Sox don't have a Cub's payroll, why don't you just go out and buy a Cub's hat. Or better yet, setup a chatroom for you and Lip. You can moan and cry all you want without interrupting real discussions.

Besides, both CF and neither would want to move to left anyway.

MRKARNO
10-11-2004, 09:44 PM
Beltran would be a perrenial 45 home run hitter at US Cellular Field. He would ascend to becoming one of the best hitters in baseball as well as just being one of the best all around hitters. Give me Beltran, who would flourish in Chicago.

cornball
10-11-2004, 09:54 PM
Either one would be a great fit. The thing about Beltran is it only cost money.

If the Marlins were to trade Pierre, my guess it would be more for prospects or players with less of a payroll burden than CLee.

jackbrohamer
10-11-2004, 09:54 PM
I've read the Yankees are going to go after Beltran & if true that's the end of it, Yankees never lose a bidding war. And the Sox never really get into one. But Pierre would be a great leadoff hitter & exactly what Ozzie & KW say they want to add to the team.

fuzzy_patters
10-11-2004, 09:59 PM
Let me get this straight. The question was Pierre plus a stud pitcher or Beltran. Is this correct? A stud pitcher is always better than a stud hitter because it knocks your other pitchers down one rung in the rotation. If you can get that and get Pierre, that is way better than just Beltran.

SEALgep
10-11-2004, 10:01 PM
Let me get this straight. The question was Pierre plus a stud pitcher or Beltran. Is this correct? A stud pitcher is always better than a stud hitter because it knocks your other pitchers down one rung in the rotation. If you can get that and get Pierre, that is way better than just Beltran.No, the difference is between Beltran and trade for a pitcher, or trade for Pierre and sign a stud pitcher.

santo=dorf
10-11-2004, 10:14 PM
5 RBI'S TONIGHT!!!

:worship: :worship: :worship: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=1999&stc=1&thumb=1
"I want to play in Chicago."

Jjav829
10-11-2004, 10:20 PM
Who are "Two guys we have no chance of getting", Alex.

I'll take Pavano and Radke for $1200.


Seriously though, I'd take either. It would be nice to have a catalyst at the top of the order like Pierre, but Beltran would just be something to watch over 162 games (and hopefully more).

kittle42
10-11-2004, 10:21 PM
It just never ends for you. It's as if you are trying to bring a worthless response to anything you can.
Why thank you! I am sorry you feel that way. You can feel free to put me (and Lip, for that matter) on your ignore list and live in your bliss of positivity.

If you hate that the Sox don't have a Cub's payroll, why don't you just go out and buy a Cub's hat.
Yeah, that's what I'll do...and I'll get one for every other team that spends more, too! Also, there is no need for the apostrophe in either of those uses of Cubs. You are apparently referring to one Cub. Which Cub's payroll and which Cub's hat? I hope the Sox can afford more than the paycheck of one Cub. Also, I think I shall choose Paul Bako's hat.

Or better yet, setup a chatroom for you and Lip. You can moan and cry all you want without interrupting real discussions.
Oh, I'm sorry - I thought this was some sort of an internet message board which allows for all kinds of Sox-related opinion. My mistake. Please continue your "real" discussions.

Besides, both CF and neither would want to move to left anyway.
Money talks.

SEALgep
10-11-2004, 10:58 PM
Why thank you! I am sorry you feel that way. You can feel free to put me (and Lip, for that matter) on your ignore list and live in your bliss of positivity.


Yeah, that's what I'll do...and I'll get one for every other team that spends more, too! Also, there is no need for the apostrophe in either of those uses of Cubs. You are apparently referring to one Cub. Which Cub's payroll and which Cub's hat? I hope the Sox can afford more than the paycheck of one Cub. Also, I think I shall choose Paul Bako's hat.


Oh, I'm sorry - I thought this was some sort of an internet message board which allows for all kinds of Sox-related opinion. My mistake. Please continue your "real" discussions.


Money talks.Happy Birthday :happybday

Win1ForMe
10-11-2004, 11:18 PM
It just never ends for you. It's as if you are trying to bring a worthless response to anything you can. If you hate that the Sox don't have a Cub's payroll, why don't you just go out and buy a Cub's hat. Or better yet, setup a chatroom for you and Lip. You can moan and cry all you want without interrupting real discussions.

Besides, both CF and neither would want to move to left anyway.Haha. Post of the week.

kittle42 can't contribute anything to a thread outside of the predictable anti-JR one liner. FOLIP indeed.

joe47
10-11-2004, 11:19 PM
Pierre is exactly what this club needs, a leadoff hitter who can steal bases while still being able to hit (Yes i know that beltran can steal to) but leadoff has been a glaring problem for the sox. Also, Pierre wont cost to much and we can spend more on pitchin. Im not sure who the marlins would want.
Shingo, I'm with you 100%. Pierre would be a perfect fit for our needs. He seems just like the kind of player Ozzie wants, plus they have a history together in Florida. Last year he made only 2.4 mil, very affordable.

We need to forget about Beltran. Yes, he's a great player but he will be overpaid. With a 65 million dollar payroll, you can't afford to put all your eggs in one 18 millions dollar basket.

batmanZoSo
10-11-2004, 11:34 PM
There has been speculation of whether or not Pierre is on the block due to having a stud CF waiting in the wings. He's cheap, but could serve to fill a hole or two if they decided to go that route. Everyone here would no doubtedly welcome Carlos Beltran to the team as well, for obvious reasons. My question is, if it could be done somehow, would you rather trade Lee for Pierre (or some variation of this) and use the FA money on a stud pitcher, or sign Beltran and use Lee to trade for another starter from somewhere.

Pierre all the way. We don't get much better by adding one guy and with Beltran, that's pretty much it. With Pierre you can still get that starting pitcher.

benjamin
10-11-2004, 11:46 PM
Beltran or Pierre?

Beatles or Pearl Jam?

Jennifer Anniston or Courtney Cox?

Filet Mignon or a New York Strip?

Guinness or Icehouse?


Both options are attractive, but please, there is no comparison.

Beltran is a superior hitter. Beltran is a superior fielder. Beltran is a smarter baserunner (read: maybe not as fast, but still smarter on the bases). Beltran is younger (OK, by 5 months, but still, younger.) Beltran is worth every penny.

batmanZoSo
10-12-2004, 12:20 AM
Beltran or Pierre?

Beatles or Pearl Jam?

Jennifer Anniston or Courtney Cox?

Filet Mignon or a New York Strip?

Guinness or Icehouse?


Both options are attractive, but please, there is no comparison.

Beltran is a superior hitter. Beltran is a superior fielder. Beltran is a smarter baserunner (read: maybe not as fast, but still smarter on the bases). Beltran is younger (OK, by 5 months, but still, younger.) Beltran is worth every penny.


Psh...I'll take Pierre, Pearl Jam, Cox, and the strip. Though I do love my Guinness..at about 78 degrees baby.

:gulp: :gulp:

joe47
10-12-2004, 12:22 AM
Beltran or Pierre?

Beatles or Pearl Jam?

Jennifer Anniston or Courtney Cox?

Filet Mignon or a New York Strip?

Guinness or Icehouse?


Both options are attractive, but please, there is no comparison.

Beltran is a superior hitter. Beltran is a superior fielder. Beltran is a smarter baserunner (read: maybe not as fast, but still smarter on the bases). Beltran is younger (OK, by 5 months, but still, younger.) Beltran is worth every penny.
I agree Betran is the better player. However, if we signed Beltran, that would dry up every last penny. The question should be Beltran (18 million) or Pierre (3 mil) + another top starter (9 mil) + a position player (5 mil)?

kittle42
10-12-2004, 12:53 AM
Happy Birthday :happybday
:smile:

Seeing as I was/am spending it at work, that might explain my venom.

ChiSoxRowand
10-12-2004, 01:33 AM
Pierre is probably my favorite non Sox player, but I still have to go with Beltran.

California Sox
10-12-2004, 01:47 AM
Pierre is like a really good version of Lance Johnson, Beltran is one of the ten best all-around players in baseball. There's no comparison: Beltran. I don't believe we are going to get Beltran, but with us losing a true impact player in Maggs, getting a top flight player to essentially replace him would be huge. Look at the teams that made the playoffs, all but Minnesota have MVP-type players.

Aidan
10-12-2004, 01:56 AM
Beltran would be great but trading for Pierre is probably more realistic. Beltran's value is skyrocketing because of his postseason performance. I don't think we would be able to sign Beltran, especially if Steinbrenner goes after him. We could trade Garland for Pierre and Ozzie would then have the leadoff man he wants. Then we would need to trade Paulie for a pitcher or sign one.

Rex Hudler
10-12-2004, 04:45 AM
Beltran is the obvious choice if money were no object. But if the Sox plan to keep payroll in the $75-$80 million range, then Beltran will be too expensive to put together the rest of the club at a championship level.

I don't know anything about the makeup of Beltran, but I assume it's good.

SSN721
10-12-2004, 06:02 AM
I would say Beltran if we plan on a 100 million dollar payroll. But considering that I doubt it will increase beyond, and this is very wishful thinking, 75-80 million I think Pierre is the only logical choice if we want to sign a couple pitchers as well.

oldcomiskey
10-12-2004, 06:21 AM
how many times do we have to go over this--the only Beltran comes to the south side is in a visiting uniform--on the other hand Pierre would be nice

bigfoot
10-12-2004, 06:47 AM
If Beltran comes north in a visiting uniform, we better hope that the Astros resign him.

Tekijawa
10-12-2004, 09:04 AM
Was this poll supposed to be close?

SEALgep
10-12-2004, 09:09 AM
Was this poll supposed to be close?No, it was supposed to gauge what direction we should go this offseason.

Soxzilla
10-12-2004, 11:50 AM
I agree Betran is the better player. However, if we signed Beltran, that would dry up every last penny. The question should be Beltran (18 million) or Pierre (3 mil) + another top starter (9 mil) + a position player (5 mil)?
So your saying if we get Pierre....

We can throw money at bartolo....AND RESIGN JOSE!

Where do I sign!

All kidding aside, with the way this organization wastes money on no talent players. I'd rather spend the whole lot on one very talented player, than sign a cheap talented player and piss the rest of the money away on crap like the micheal jacksons and todd ritchies of the world.

shagar69
10-12-2004, 11:53 AM
well if price wasnt an issue, id take beltran, but since it is, ill take pierre. we'd probably have to give them lee or at least anderson or sweeney

wdelaney72
10-12-2004, 12:11 PM
Pierre, no question.


We tied the league for HR this year. Look how far that got us.

johnny_mostil
10-12-2004, 08:28 PM
Let me get this straight. The question was Pierre plus a stud pitcher or Beltran. Is this correct? A stud pitcher is always better than a stud hitter because it knocks your other pitchers down one rung in the rotation. If you can get that and get Pierre, that is way better than just Beltran.
What is the rate of return on "stud pitchers" as free agents? Beyond the top 15-20 or so in baseball, the rest are basically interchangeable with the guys the Sox already have. Further, unless the stud pitcher is a sinkerball specialist -- Sidd Finch with a 147mph fastball -- The Cell will eat him up as medium deep flies go out of the park.