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mdep524
10-07-2004, 12:15 PM
Per sportsline.com, the Rangers have claimed one-time hot shot pitching prospect Ryan Wing off waivers from the Sox.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/7774786

Too bad things didn't work out for him here.

shagar69
10-07-2004, 12:28 PM
way to go KW! freakin moron, why draft HS SP if you cant develop them properly

Randar68
10-07-2004, 12:58 PM
way to go KW! freakin moron, why draft HS SP if you cant develop them properlyWay to go shagar69! Ryan Wing was not a HS draftee. He also was out all year with a SHOULDER injury, contrary to what theCBS Sportsline link says. How many people come back from that?

As usual, don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant chicken-little drivel.

:chickenlittle

maurice
10-07-2004, 01:07 PM
Wing was a second-round pick by the Chicago White Sox in 2001, but he missed all of this past season with tendinitis [?!?] in his throwing shoulder.
Wow, I can't believe that people get paid to write this BS. The Sox must believe that his shoulder injury is career-ending. I was afraid of that, which is why I left him off of my top 10 prospects list.

hitlesswonder
10-07-2004, 01:19 PM
I really don't see any evidence you can use to lay blame on the Sox organization in this case. The attrition rate for minor league pitchers in any organization is high, I know of no evidence that the Sox are any worse than anyone else in preventing injuries. Seattle, as an example, has had a ton of highly thought of pitching products lately and have little to show for it at the major league level right now (Ryan Andseron was, I think, the best pitching prospect in baseball at one point and they lost him to a shoulder injury). As for losing Wing for nothing, you have to keep in mind that post-injury he simply does not have the same value as before. When an organization is willing to risk losing a pitching prospect, it says something about how severe they think the injury is. Randar is right, almost no pitcher comes back from shoulder surgery. I think the only thing to do is wish Ryan Wing the best, and hope whomever takes his roster spot here turns out to be a pretty good player.

Wealz
10-07-2004, 01:25 PM
Questions:

What was Wing diagnosed with?

Did he have surgery?

Why was he waived?

shagar69
10-07-2004, 02:07 PM
Way to go shagar69! Ryan Wing was not a HS draftee. He also was out all year with a SHOULDER injury, contrary to what theCBS Sportsline link says. How many people come back from that?

As usual, don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant chicken-little drivel.

:chickenlittle
your right, he was out of CC. but thats not the point. he was drafted in the SECOND ROUND! nice job by KW on using our 2nd round pick!

hitlesswonder
10-07-2004, 02:09 PM
Questions:

What was Wing diagnosed with?

Did he have surgery?

Why was he waived?
I'm sure others know much more about this than me, but early this season Wing went out with a sore shoulder. I don't know what the diagnosis was, but he had shoulder surgery some time around June or July. I believe he was on the 40 man roster, so I imagine he got claimed as the Sox tried to move him off the roster to open up a spot for someone else. Maybe someone who knows more about the minors can confirm or correct this?

hitlesswonder
10-07-2004, 02:20 PM
your right, he was out of CC. but thats not the point. he was drafted in the SECOND ROUND! nice job by KW on using our 2nd round pick!
If Wing had performed poorly, I would agree it was a bad pick. That's not what happened; he performed pretty well, and then got injured. I don't think Williams record as GM is above reproach, but how could he know Wing would have shoulder problems a couple of years later? Pitchers with great mechnics still get injured (look at Prior this year), and how many pitchers (or even players) picked in the first round go down with injuries? By this logic, Joe Mauer was a bad pick for everyone's favorite developmental organization becuase he went down with a knee injury this year.

Randar68
10-07-2004, 02:57 PM
If Wing had performed poorly, I would agree it was a bad pick. That's not what happened; he performed pretty well, and then got injured. I don't think Williams record as GM is above reproach, but how could he know Wing would have shoulder problems a couple of years later? Pitchers with great mechnics still get injured (look at Prior this year), and how many pitchers (or even players) picked in the first round go down with injuries? By this logic, Joe Mauer was a bad pick for everyone's favorite developmental organization becuase he went down with a knee injury this year.
Heck, Wing was the poster-boy for "Low-mileage arm". He didn't start pitching until Junior College and was thought highly enough of to be ranked ahead of Honel by several people I know even before both were injured.

shagar is just a troll and will turn anything into a Williams criticism. Before you know it, KW will have snuck into Wing's hotel room and injected his shoulder with ebola. *****.

:dtroll: :dtroll: :dtroll:

thepaulbowski
10-07-2004, 03:10 PM
your right, he was out of CC. but thats not the point. he was drafted in the SECOND ROUND! nice job by KW on using our 2nd round pick!
Man, you have no clue. :dtroll:

shagar69
10-07-2004, 04:11 PM
Heck, Wing was the poster-boy for "Low-mileage arm". He didn't start pitching until Junior College and was thought highly enough of to be ranked ahead of Honel by several people I know even before both were injured.

shagar is just a troll and will turn anything into a Williams criticism. Before you know it, KW will have snuck into Wing's hotel room and injected his shoulder with ebola. *****.

:dtroll: :dtroll: :dtroll: you can call me whatever the hell you want, but my point stands: another high pick wasted. sure you cant predict injuries but how bout honel, wing, and rodriguez getting hurt? after three guys have serious injuries like theyve had, the draftee deserves to be criticized.
but injuries dont matter, since because of KW's drafting we have GREAT depth at the SP spot

Randar68
10-07-2004, 04:15 PM
you can call me whatever the hell you want, but my point stands: another high pick wasted. sure you cant predict injuries but how bout honel, wing, and rodriguez getting hurt? after three guys have serious injuries like theyve had, the draftee deserves to be criticized.
but injuries dont matter, since because of KW's drafting we have GREAT depth at the SP spot
Welcome back habibharu!

Daver
10-07-2004, 04:15 PM
you can call me whatever the hell you want, but my point stands: another high pick wasted. sure you cant predict injuries but how bout honel, wing, and rodriguez getting hurt? after three guys have serious injuries like theyve had, the draftee deserves to be criticized.
but injuries dont matter, since because of KW's drafting we have GREAT depth at the SP spot
Quit trolling.

Or would you rather get booted out of here again?

Rex Hudler
10-07-2004, 04:18 PM
Randar, other's opinions aside, what is yours on this situation? I am curious as to your insight as to why this could have happened from all perspectives, pro and con.

Randar68
10-07-2004, 04:28 PM
Randar, other's opinions aside, what is yours on this situation? I am curious as to your insight as to why this could have happened from all perspectives, pro and con.
Until I hear more on the severity of the injury and prognosis, it's pretty hard to form any kind of steadfast opinion. I think it's likely a sign that he's not healthy. If not, then I do think it's likely been a mishandled situation, as there hasn't been any rush to open a spot on the 40-man roster that I'm aware of.

Again, I really only have a problem with the rush to judgement. Rex, have you been able to get this confirmed? I've only seen this original link, so I'm not sure I trust CBS in the first place.

santo=dorf
10-07-2004, 04:58 PM
you can call me whatever the hell you want, but my point stands: another high pick wasted. sure you cant predict injuries but how bout honel, wing, and rodriguez getting hurt? after three guys have serious injuries like theyve had, the draftee deserves to be criticized.
but injuries dont matter, since because of KW's drafting we have GREAT depth at the SP spot
Yeah! Because Kenny the dumbass should've known he was going to get injured sooner or later. He should've used that second round pick on whoever Billy Beane drafted in the third round, or fourth round, or even fifth round!!! KW sucks!!!

:chickenlittle

shagar69
10-07-2004, 05:16 PM
Quit trolling.

Or would you rather get booted out of here again?
what do you mean quit "trolling" what is that supposed to mean? im not allowed to state my opinion just because you and other dont agree with it? then what the hell is the point of a message board?

MRKARNO
10-07-2004, 05:33 PM
what do you mean quit "trolling" what is that supposed to mean? im not allowed to state my opinion just because you and other dont agree with it? then what the hell is the point of a message board?

There's a difference between stating a valid opinion and hammering opinions endlessly to pursue an agenda that simply have no factual basis or are just unfair characterizations. The difference between informed posting and trolling. Here's the encyclopedia definition of an internet troll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

On the Internet, troll is a slang term used to describe:

1. A post (on a newsgroup, or other forum) that is solely intended to incite controversy or conflict or cause annoyance or offense. (Many posts may inadvertently cause strife as collateral damage, but they are not trolls.)
2. A person who posts these.


Yup, that describes you pretty accurately.

santo=dorf
10-07-2004, 05:42 PM
Per sportsline.com, the Rangers have claimed one-time hot shot pitching prospect Ryan Wing off waivers from the Sox.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/7774786

Too bad things didn't work out for him here.
Eh, he was probably going to be traded for Roberto Alomar next year anyways.

Wealz
10-07-2004, 06:25 PM
Borrowing from Stoney, don't tell me how rough the waters are just bring the ship in.

I understand that pitchers in every organization get hurt, but there's a great way to minimize the effect those injuries have on a farm system. Avoid drafting pitchers with premium picks. My definition of a premium pick would be the first 5 rounds.

MRKARNO
10-07-2004, 06:45 PM
Borrowing from Stoney, don't tell me how rough the waters are just bring the ship in.

I understand that pitchers in every organization get hurt, but there's a great way to minimize the effect those injuries have on a farm system. Avoid drafting pitchers with premium picks. My definition of a premium pick would be the first 5 rounds.

You can never rule out any player at any point in the draft. A large percentage of the great pitchers who were draft eligible came from the first 5 rounds. You can't disqualify any player at any spot in the draft due to position unless you already have an abundance at that position

California Sox
10-07-2004, 07:46 PM
This is disappointing in that Wing looked like he had a bright future. I hope he bounces back at some point for Texas. Randar, on a related topic, have you heard anything on the prognosis for Corwin Malone? Since his injury was an elbow and not a shoulder and one of the common side effects of elbow problems is a serious loss of control (see Rick Ankiel, for instance), is it possible that Malone could return next spring healthy and with improved control? He's my sleeper candidate in our minor league system. I think he's got a chance to surprise and appear in the Sox uni at some point in 2005.

Randar68
10-07-2004, 08:36 PM
This is disappointing in that Wing looked like he had a bright future. I hope he bounces back at some point for Texas. Randar, on a related topic, have you heard anything on the prognosis for Corwin Malone? Since his injury was an elbow and not a shoulder and one of the common side effects of elbow problems is a serious loss of control (see Rick Ankiel, for instance), is it possible that Malone could return next spring healthy and with improved control? He's my sleeper candidate in our minor league system. I think he's got a chance to surprise and appear in the Sox uni at some point in 2005.
I don't know that he'll ever be healthy. Both he and Jason Stumm are in Arizona working hard on their rehabbing from what I've heard, so they hasn't given it up yet. I don't have it in front of me, but IIRC Malone had Tommy John surgery and then had shoulder injuries when working his way back. I don't remember off the top of my head, though.

Randar68
10-07-2004, 08:39 PM
Borrowing from Stoney, don't tell me how rough the waters are just bring the ship in.

I understand that pitchers in every organization get hurt, but there's a great way to minimize the effect those injuries have on a farm system. Avoid drafting pitchers with premium picks. My definition of a premium pick would be the first 5 rounds.
Mulder was drafted #2, Zito #11. Yeah, good thing your hero follows that mantra...

Rex Hudler
10-07-2004, 09:34 PM
Until I hear more on the severity of the injury and prognosis, it's pretty hard to form any kind of steadfast opinion. I think it's likely a sign that he's not healthy. If not, then I do think it's likely been a mishandled situation, as there hasn't been any rush to open a spot on the 40-man roster that I'm aware of.

Again, I really only have a problem with the rush to judgement. Rex, have you been able to get this confirmed? I've only seen this original link, so I'm not sure I trust CBS in the first place.
From what I understand, the Sox did their annual fall purge of the 40-man roster which also included Pacheco, Stewart and Sanders. This is routine. This smells like a bad gamble, but like you said, it is too soon to be sure.

I am out of town at the moment, but I will see what I can dig up in the next few days.

hitlesswonder
10-07-2004, 09:45 PM
From rotoworld:

"Rangers claimed LHP Ryan Wing off waivers from the White Sox.Not a bad gamble. Wing, a 2001 second-round pick, missed the entire season with a shoulder injury, but he never did need surgery. If he shows up next year at 100 percent, he should still be viewed as a potential third or fourth starter."

I guess I was wrong about Wing having surgery. Can someone who is a more definitive source than rotoworld confirm this? If it's true, maybe I was hasty in my defense of the Sox. Sigh. Although, if Texas claimed him that means that quite a few teams passed him over. Claim order is the reverse of this year's standings, right? Without surgery, I would have thought someone else would have claimed him before the Rangers.

Rex Hudler
10-07-2004, 09:53 PM
From rotoworld:

"Rangers claimed LHP Ryan Wing off waivers from the White Sox.Not a bad gamble. Wing, a 2001 second-round pick, missed the entire season with a shoulder injury, but he never did need surgery. If he shows up next year at 100 percent, he should still be viewed as a potential third or fourth starter."

I guess I was wrong about Wing having surgery. Can someone who is a more definitive source than rotoworld confirm this? If it's true, maybe I was hasty in my defense of the Sox. Sigh. Although, if Texas claimed him that means that quite a few teams passed him over. Claim order is the reverse of this year's standings, right? Without surgery, I would have thought someone else would have claimed him before the Rangers.
I am pretty sure he had surgery.

Any team that claimed him would have to have a spot open on their 40-man roster. One they were willing to use on a player rehabbing and still likely a minimum of two years away from the big leagues.

MRKARNO
10-07-2004, 10:36 PM
I am pretty sure he had surgery.

Any team that claimed him would have to have a spot open on their 40-man roster. One they were willing to use on a player rehabbing and still likely a minimum of two years away from the big leagues.

Well knowing the Rangers, it's not surprising that they were willing to take this risk.

StillMissOzzie
10-07-2004, 11:35 PM
Welcome back habibharu!
Alright!!! Someone else has figured out shagar69's new alias too!!!

SMO
:gulp:

Flight #24
10-08-2004, 01:07 PM
you can call me whatever the hell you want, but my point stands: another high pick wasted. sure you cant predict injuries but how bout honel, wing, and rodriguez getting hurt? after three guys have serious injuries like theyve had, the draftee deserves to be criticized.
but injuries dont matter, since because of KW's drafting we have GREAT depth at the SP spot
More to the point - Why didn't KW predict Frank & Maggs going out and proceed in the offseason accordingly?

Why didn't Billy Beane predict the slump down the stretch for Mulder, Zito, etc and make the necessary moves ahead of time?

Ummmm......maybe because none of them is named Nostradamus? Predicting injuries is not as easy as ID-ing habibharu, you know....

Wealz
10-08-2004, 01:18 PM
More to the point - Why didn't KW predict Frank & Maggs going out and proceed in the offseason accordingly?

Why didn't Billy Beane predict the slump down the stretch for Mulder, Zito, etc and make the necessary moves ahead of time?

Ummmm......maybe because none of them is named Nostradamus? Predicting injuries is not as easy as ID-ing habibharu, you know....
2004 is over and done with. How has Williams positioned this organization for 2005 and beyond is the criteria his perrformance as G.M. should now be judged on.

santo=dorf
10-08-2004, 01:26 PM
Ummmm......maybe because none of them is named Nostradamus? Predicting injuries is not as easy as ID-ing habibharu, you know....
:hijacked:
Nostradamus made over 400 predictions and not a single one was correct. The guy is bull****.

Flight #24
10-08-2004, 02:19 PM
2004 is over and done with. How has Williams positioned this organization for 2005 and beyond is the criteria his perrformance as G.M. should now be judged on.
IMO, this offseason will be a huge factor in judging his overall performance. He did a good job this season, and the team could be positioned well for next year depending on what he does between now & April.

How his prospects do in the next 1-2 years and the major league moves he makes in this offseason will tell the tale of him as GM.

gosox41
10-09-2004, 08:23 AM
2004 is over and done with. How has Williams positioned this organization for 2005 and beyond is the criteria his perrformance as G.M. should now be judged on.
And if 2005 is a flop, we can spend next offseason talking about ow KW positioned this team for 2006 and beyond.



Bob

voodoochile
10-09-2004, 09:38 AM
And if 2005 is a flop, we can spend next offseason talking about ow KW positioned this team for 2006 and beyond.



Bob
I have a question bout expectations? Do we expect a rookie GM to draft perfectly? Do we expect a rookie GM to make perfect trades?

I know that KW is no longer a rookie. The question is, has he learned anything?

If we simply judge him on how he did his first few years as a GM and decide he is a failure for all time with no hope of getting better, don't we have to lay that blame at JR's feet for signing him and giving him the authority he has?

Doesn't a guy new to his job still learning the ins and outs get some slack?

I agree - it is time for KW to put up or shut up, but judging him on the success of drafts and or trades from his first few years seems awfully tough. This is not an easy job - though you wouldn't know it from reading some of the posts on this board.

Still, what do people expect if KW gets fired? Does anyone really think JR is going to go out and sign an experienced, talented, highly-paid GM?

If so, there is a lovely 3-mile bridge that spans the Neuse and Trent rivers here in New Bern which I happen to own and will be glad to sell any of you for a very reasonable price. Tell you what, I'll settle for one year's Sox GM salary...:rolleyes:

santo=dorf
10-09-2004, 02:18 PM
People, if Ryan Wing was such a good prospect, how did he clear waivers all the way through Texas? Is the waiver process the same as the process in August where the lower leveled team get to claim first? If so, why wouldn't Cleveland, KC, Tampa Bay, or even the Orioles claim a young pitching prospect with a lot of promise?

shagar69
10-09-2004, 03:11 PM
People, if Ryan Wing was such a good prospect, how did he clear waivers all the way through Texas? Is the waiver process the same as the process in August where the lower leveled team get to claim first? If so, why wouldn't Cleveland, KC, Tampa Bay, or even the Orioles claim a young pitching prospect with a lot of promise?
he was a good prospect. IIRC before the emergence of bmac, wing was the number two SP prospect in our org. after honel.

nodiggity59
10-09-2004, 04:00 PM
he was a good prospect.
Correct. He WAS a good prospect. He no longer IS a good prospect.

santo=dorf
10-09-2004, 04:06 PM
he was a good prospect. IIRC before the emergence of bmac, wing was the number two SP prospect in our org. after honel.That didn't answer my ****ing questions.

shagar69
10-09-2004, 04:11 PM
Correct. He WAS a good prospect. He no longer IS a good prospect.
yeah well thats because he is hurt.

shagar69
10-09-2004, 04:14 PM
nodiggity, i have a question about your sig. you say that even if Reed becomes a HOF, the deal wont be bad. what the hell are you talkin about?!!!?? how else do you judge a trade other than how the players turn out and affect their teams 3 or 4 years after the trade. if reed is a HOF how is that NOT a bad trade???? and how exactly did the freddy trade help us THIS year? did let us have 83 wins instead or 78?

Rex Hudler
10-10-2004, 03:21 AM
I have a question bout expectations? Do we expect a rookie GM to draft perfectly?
I get your overall point, so I didn't bother quoting your whole post. For clarification, the GM has very little to do with the draft other than overseeing the person that does it, which likely involves general planning. A GM being heavily involved as Billy Beane was portrayed in Money Ball is very rare.

Rex Hudler
10-10-2004, 03:34 AM
People, if Ryan Wing was such a good prospect, how did he clear waivers all the way through Texas? Is the waiver process the same as the process in August where the lower leveled team get to claim first? If so, why wouldn't Cleveland, KC, Tampa Bay, or even the Orioles claim a young pitching prospect with a lot of promise?
Pitchers coming off surgery rarely get claimed. Wing has already lost one option. The Rangers will have to use another for his rehab year, which will not likely include beginning the season in the starting rotation of a club.

Basically what this means is that Texas is gambling that Wing will be good enough to be in the Majors by 2006 or risk losing him. That is a pretty big gamble on a pitcher who has never pitched above Class A and is coming off shoulder surgery.

That said, the White Sox took a gamble by taking him off their 40-man roster and ultimately losing him. It is my understanding that his rehab was going fine. That he would not have been ready to start the season, at least as a starter, but there were no problems with his rehab. This was a calculated move to open roster spots along with the others that were removed from the 40-man.

Wealz
10-10-2004, 09:54 AM
It's my understanding that the 40-man roster stands at 36 currently. If that's correct, a.) why did they open that many spots at this time and b.) are there lesser prospects on that list than Wing even with the surgery?

Rex Hudler
10-10-2004, 08:44 PM
It's my understanding that the 40-man roster stands at 36 currently. If that's correct, a.) why did they open that many spots at this time and b.) are there lesser prospects on that list than Wing even with the surgery?
I don't know all of the dates that player moves have to be made, but teams always purge guys from their 40-man roster around this time. It is SOP.

Flight #24
10-11-2004, 07:51 AM
nodiggity, i have a question about your sig. you say that even if Reed becomes a HOF, the deal wont be bad. what the hell are you talkin about?!!!?? how else do you judge a trade other than how the players turn out and affect their teams 3 or 4 years after the trade. if reed is a HOF how is that NOT a bad trade???? and how exactly did the freddy trade help us THIS year? did let us have 83 wins instead or 78?
The point I believe is that at the time, Freddy was a key component to getting the Sox to the postseason. The fact that Frank & Maggs went down for good after the trade does not change the quality of the deal.

Wealz
10-11-2004, 05:47 PM
I don't know all of the dates that player moves have to be made, but teams always purge guys from their 40-man roster around this time. It is SOP.
I hear ya. It's disappointing that they exposed even a post-surgery Wing to waivers while protecting a non-prospect like Yan though.

Rex Hudler
10-13-2004, 08:19 PM
I hear ya. It's disappointing that they exposed even a post-surgery Wing to waivers while protecting a non-prospect like Yan though.
I agree completely. I am sure the Sox are quite disappointed they lost him and may be second-guessing themselves.

geenogee
10-31-2004, 01:16 AM
From rotoworld:

"Rangers claimed LHP Ryan Wing off waivers from the White Sox.Not a bad gamble. Wing, a 2001 second-round pick, missed the entire season with a shoulder injury, but he never did need surgery. If he shows up next year at 100 percent, he should still be viewed as a potential third or fourth starter."

I guess I was wrong about Wing having surgery. Can someone who is a more definitive source than rotoworld confirm this? If it's true, maybe I was hasty in my defense of the Sox. Sigh. Although, if Texas claimed him that means that quite a few teams passed him over. Claim order is the reverse of this year's standings, right? Without surgery, I would have thought someone else would have claimed him before the Rangers.Ryan Wing had surgery. They did not find any damage to his muscles or tissues. They polished his shoulder joint which was causing the soreness in his shoulder.