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Tekijawa
10-05-2004, 12:58 PM
October 5, 2004

Dear White Sox fans and season ticket holders,
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It is still pretty difficult, even painful in a way, to recap the 2004 Chicago White Sox season. When I hired Ozzie Guillen as manager, one of my reasons was that I wanted someone who took the losses just as hard as I did and just as hard as our fans do.
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While our 2004 season had its bright spots — the 40-plus home run performance of Paul Konerko, Carlos Lee's club-record, 28-game hitting streak and Shingo Takatsu's grand entrance onto the Chicago baseball stage — the overall emotion we are feeling right now is disappointment. Yes, we certainly battled injuries, and not many teams lose their three and four hitters in June and still win, but those are excuses. We were in first place on July 24 and just did not get it done.
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But rather than re-live the past six months (I do that enough in the middle of the night when I would rather be asleep), I am focused on this offseason and what we need to accomplish to make our team better in 2005. I cannot stress strongly enough my commitment to improving the 2005 White Sox. This organization's goal remains consistent — to win a World Series championship for White Sox fans and the city of Chicago.
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It is my responsibility to build a team that has a chance to win its division each season, and we began that project for 2005 well before this season ended. It is our responsibility to bring all of our energy, intellect and effort to improving this team. I promise you everyone on my staff, and everyone in the front office, is focused on this mission.
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We hope to have a team built around our pitching staff. But anyone who watched us play in 2004 realizes that we need to be more athletic, better defensively and quicker on the bases. Slugging it out night after night is just too inconsistent. You need thunder in the middle of your lineup, especially in the American League, but at the top and at the bottom we need guys who can get on base, run, move runners along and handle the bat. I want to give Ozzie a team he can play with and really manage during games.

Our first focus entering this offseason is pitching. We feel very confident in our top four starters, Freddy Garcia, Mark Buehrle, Jose Contreras and Jon Garland, and believe each one has the potential to win 15 games and give us 200 innings. Jason Grilli showed signs he could fill the fifth starter's role, or we may decide to look toward free agency to round out our rotation.
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We also want to build our bullpen from the back forward. In Shingo and Damaso Marte, we are comfortable that we have at least two pitchers who can close out games. Cliff Politte was impressive at times this year and has a role in a dominant bullpen. Another positive for our club was how Jon Adkins and Neal Cotts matured as major league pitchers during the season. We need to add to this mix and make it even better and deeper in 2005.

We will see what players are available on the free agent market to fit our needs, and I also am willing to pull the trigger on a trade if I believe it will make our team better. We have been criticized for our willingness to trade young players for the chance to win now. I will never apologize for trying to win. It has been way too long since White Sox fans celebrated in October. On the wall of our board room is a chart showing our team's projected roster over the next three years. Miguel Olivo is the only player we have traded away who is on that chart from 2004 to 2007. I hated to give him up, but I felt that getting a pitcher like Freddy Garcia through 2007 was more important for this organization.
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Despite his season-ending injury, we still are optimistic about re-signing Magglio Ordoñez for 2005. Of course, a lot depends upon his recovery and health. At one point in the season, we offered Magglio the largest contract ever for a White Sox player. We still hope to discuss a possible new contract with Maggs over the coming months.
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One player I truly need to commend for his 2004 season is Paul Konerko. He grabbed all kinds of deserving headlines with his 40-plus home runs, but he proves his value as a player and teammate each and every day by how he approaches the game. I am convinced that if Paul came into the last at-bat of the season with the chance for either the home run crown or the opportunity to win the game, he would willingly sacrifice his own success for the team. He is as unselfish a player as we have. I love his winning attitude. Paul cares about winning, but even more importantly, he cares about winning here in Chicago.

It's way too early to map out our exact plans for 2005 and how this offseason will ultimately unfold, but I did want this letter to give you some of our thoughts on the 2004 season, but more importantly, to outline our early thinking as we prepare for 2005.
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Everyone in a White Sox uniform and in our front office appreciates our fans. You are there on the cold nights in April, during winning and losing streaks in June, July and August, and are there to celebrate the game-winning home runs and suffer the painful defeats. You feel it in your gut right along with us. As we finish the 2004 season, we want to say "Thank You" for your undying support and for your pride in being a White Sox fan.
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Sincerely,

Ken Williams

Tekijawa
10-05-2004, 01:00 PM
my Favorite: "I will never apologize for trying to win."

Got this in my email box about 10 minutes ago...

ewokpelts
10-05-2004, 01:00 PM
October 5, 2004

Dear White Sox fans and season ticket holders,
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It is still pretty difficult, even painful in a way, to recap the 2004 Chicago White Sox season. When I hired Ozzie Guillen as manager, one of my reasons was that I wanted someone who took the losses just as hard as I did and just as hard as our fans do.
http://whitesox.mlb.com/cws/images/trans.gif
While our 2004 season had its bright spots — the 40-plus home run performance of Paul Konerko, Carlos Lee's club-record, 28-game hitting streak and Shingo Takatsu's grand entrance onto the Chicago baseball stage — the overall emotion we are feeling right now is disappointment. Yes, we certainly battled injuries, and not many teams lose their three and four hitters in June and still win, but those are excuses. We were in first place on July 24 and just did not get it done.
http://whitesox.mlb.com/cws/images/trans.gif
But rather than re-live the past six months (I do that enough in the middle of the night when I would rather be asleep), I am focused on this offseason and what we need to accomplish to make our team better in 2005. I cannot stress strongly enough my commitment to improving the 2005 White Sox. This organization's goal remains consistent — to win a World Series championship for White Sox fans and the city of Chicago.
http://whitesox.mlb.com/cws/images/trans.gif
It is my responsibility to build a team that has a chance to win its division each season, and we began that project for 2005 well before this season ended. It is our responsibility to bring all of our energy, intellect and effort to improving this team. I promise you everyone on my staff, and everyone in the front office, is focused on this mission.
http://whitesox.mlb.com/cws/images/trans.gif
We hope to have a team built around our pitching staff. But anyone who watched us play in 2004 realizes that we need to be more athletic, better defensively and quicker on the bases. Slugging it out night after night is just too inconsistent. You need thunder in the middle of your lineup, especially in the American League, but at the top and at the bottom we need guys who can get on base, run, move runners along and handle the bat. I want to give Ozzie a team he can play with and really manage during games.

Our first focus entering this offseason is pitching. We feel very confident in our top four starters, Freddy Garcia, Mark Buehrle, Jose Contreras and Jon Garland, and believe each one has the potential to win 15 games and give us 200 innings. Jason Grilli showed signs he could fill the fifth starter's role, or we may decide to look toward free agency to round out our rotation.
http://whitesox.mlb.com/cws/images/trans.gif
We also want to build our bullpen from the back forward. In Shingo and Damaso Marte, we are comfortable that we have at least two pitchers who can close out games. Cliff Politte was impressive at times this year and has a role in a dominant bullpen. Another positive for our club was how Jon Adkins and Neal Cotts matured as major league pitchers during the season. We need to add to this mix and make it even better and deeper in 2005.

We will see what players are available on the free agent market to fit our needs, and I also am willing to pull the trigger on a trade if I believe it will make our team better. We have been criticized for our willingness to trade young players for the chance to win now. I will never apologize for trying to win. It has been way too long since White Sox fans celebrated in October. On the wall of our board room is a chart showing our team's projected roster over the next three years. Miguel Olivo is the only player we have traded away who is on that chart from 2004 to 2007. I hated to give him up, but I felt that getting a pitcher like Freddy Garcia through 2007 was more important for this organization.
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Despite his season-ending injury, we still are optimistic about re-signing Magglio Ordoñez for 2005. Of course, a lot depends upon his recovery and health. At one point in the season, we offered Magglio the largest contract ever for a White Sox player. We still hope to discuss a possible new contract with Maggs over the coming months.
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One player I truly need to commend for his 2004 season is Paul Konerko. He grabbed all kinds of deserving headlines with his 40-plus home runs, but he proves his value as a player and teammate each and every day by how he approaches the game. I am convinced that if Paul came into the last at-bat of the season with the chance for either the home run crown or the opportunity to win the game, he would willingly sacrifice his own success for the team. He is as unselfish a player as we have. I love his winning attitude. Paul cares about winning, but even more importantly, he cares about winning here in Chicago.

It's way too early to map out our exact plans for 2005 and how this offseason will ultimately unfold, but I did want this letter to give you some of our thoughts on the 2004 season, but more importantly, to outline our early thinking as we prepare for 2005.
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Everyone in a White Sox uniform and in our front office appreciates our fans. You are there on the cold nights in April, during winning and losing streaks in June, July and August, and are there to celebrate the game-winning home runs and suffer the painful defeats. You feel it in your gut right along with us. As we finish the 2004 season, we want to say "Thank You" for your undying support and for your pride in being a White Sox fan.
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Sincerely,

Ken WilliamsKenny,
If you guys cant win squat next year, does that mean I get my money back. Cuz no matter how much you guys screw up the season, I still end up paying more than I did the year before, even if I go to less games!
Gene

HomeFish
10-05-2004, 01:03 PM
So, in other words, the Sox are not going to go after a top-rotation FA, they are not going to get any bullpen help, and, by praising Konerko, they indicating a trade of Carlos Lee.

Great.

wdelaney72
10-05-2004, 01:05 PM
So, in other words, the Sox are not going to go after a top-rotation FA, they are not going to get any bullpen help, and, by praising Konerko, they indicating a trade of Carlos Lee.

Great.
You should be ashamed of that signature.

You could interpret the PK love-fest as a farewell. I still maintain PK will be gone before Carlos.

Tekijawa
10-05-2004, 01:05 PM
Kenny,
If you guys cant win squat next year, does that mean I get my money back. Cuz no matter how much you guys screw up the season, I still end up paying more than I did the year before, even if I go to less games!
Gene
Ewok,

You're stealing part of my speech to Kenny at Sox fest this year...

California Sox
10-05-2004, 01:05 PM
KW addressed a letter to Sox fans on the team's website today. In it, he promises to upgrade the club for 2005 and focus on the pitching staff. He says he wants to upgrade the speed, defense and athleticism of the team outside of the middle of the order. He also says that although the team has traded some young players, only one player that they internally had pegged as a starter in the 2004-2007 window has been traded, Miguel Olivo. That means, as I have long suspected, that the Sox were not as high on Reed as many fans, including myself, have been. Perhaps they prefer LTP or Anderson or Crash, but I thought it was very revealing. KW also singles Paulie out for praise, so he ain't going anywhere. Give it a read. Here's the link:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_news.jsp?ymd=20041005&content_id=883561&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp

ewokpelts
10-05-2004, 01:07 PM
Ewok,

You're stealing part of my speech to Kenny at Sox fest this year...We can always just chant together:
HELL NO! WE WONT SPEND!

:reinsy
Can I join in too?

HomeFish
10-05-2004, 01:10 PM
You should be ashamed of that signature.

As I said in the other thread, would you prefer a picture of Hunter/Burke with the caption "Roll on Twins"?

I think not.

Anyway, with the recent comments he has made, my views of Kenny Williams have changed. I once thought of him as a moron, the worst GM in the AL. That view has changed. I now see him almost as a sort of WSI poster; he complains harshly and loudly when the Sox lose, but then never seems to do anything about it. Its almost as if he is powerless.

Flight #24
10-05-2004, 01:15 PM
An interesting note pointed out in the other thread on this letter (which I'm assuming will be merged with this one at some point):

On the wall of our board room is a chart showing our team's projected roster over the next three years. Miguel Olivo is the only player we have traded away who is on that chart from 2004 to 2007.
That's interesting. I'd be curious to see who WAS on that chart in RF (or CF) since apparently Reed was not. We'll have to see, but I'd have thought they'd at least have him as a strong option if not the favorite for one of those jobs. Unless they really thought that they could resign Maggs with playoff revenues, and attendance boosts from winning. Otherwise, not a great sign, although it could easily just be KW's way of downplaying the young talent given up in the Garcia deal.

maurice
10-05-2004, 01:23 PM
I don't know how the Sox can become "more athletic [] and quicker" without moving Konerko. IMHO, Crede, Everett, and Thomas are not going anywhere, and a Kendall-like catcher is not in the plans. The other positions already are filled by quick athletes. Plus, if you add a SP and a RP, where do you get the money to make the position players more athletic?

BTW, the letter indicates that he wants to bring Maggs back, but I don't see that happening either. Considered in context, KW's attempting to reassure season ticket holders that they should pay their invoice.

batmanZoSo
10-05-2004, 01:24 PM
As I said in the other thread, would you prefer a picture of Hunter/Burke with the caption "Roll on Twins"?

Um, no... But what the heck are you? Which is it? While you post here a lot and seem to be a legit Sox fan, you have made a lot of contempuous and/or acutely pessimistic Sox-related posts here and now you've got a Yankees signature that's neither tongue-in-cheek nor sarcastic that I can tell. If you root for two teams, that's your right, but expect some people to question your reasoning from time to time. For what it's worth, you did pick a bad team to root for on the side.

maurice
10-05-2004, 01:27 PM
I'd be curious to see who WAS on that chart in RF (or CF) since apparently Reed was not.
Probably Sweeney, which explains why he indicated 2005-07.

Alternatively, depending on their plans for Lee and Rowand, the chart could read "7 - Lee, 8 - Anderson, 9 - Rowand."

ewokpelts
10-05-2004, 01:28 PM
BTW, the letter indicates that he wants to bring Maggs back, but I don't see that happening either. Considered in context, KW's attempting to reassure season ticket holders that they should pay their invoice.How true. Too bad i dont understand bull****.
Gene

Tekijawa
10-05-2004, 01:31 PM
Probably Sweeney, which explains why he indicated 2005-07.

Alternatively, depending on their plans for Lee and Rowand, the chart could read "7 - Lee, 8 - Anderson, 9 - Rowand."More likely it reads
2005
7- Lee
8- Borchard
9-Rowand

2006 Lock-out

2007
7-Draft pick
8-Draft Pick
9-Draft pick

Justafan
10-05-2004, 01:32 PM
Considered in context, KW's attempting to reassure season ticket holders that they should pay their invoice.
LMAO!:)

Flight #24
10-05-2004, 01:35 PM
Probably Sweeney, which explains why he indicated 2005-07.

Alternatively, depending on their plans for Lee and Rowand, the chart could read "7 - Lee, 8 - Anderson, 9 - Rowand."
Sweeney for NEXT year? I could see '06, but hard to believe they think he'll be ready for a fulltime job in '05.

maurice
10-05-2004, 01:39 PM
Sweeney for NEXT year?
No. Look at the way KW phrased it: "Miguel Olivo is the only player we have traded away who is on that chart from 2004 to 2007."

When taken literally, that means, Olivo was on the chart for 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007. If you project Sweeney as the starting RF in 2007, Reed was not "on that chart from 2004 to 2007."

MRKARNO
10-05-2004, 01:45 PM
Sweeney for NEXT year? I could see '06, but hard to believe they think he'll be ready for a fulltime job in '05.

Brian Anderson maybe?

FightingBillini
10-05-2004, 02:13 PM
So, in other words, the Sox are not going to go after a top-rotation FA, they are not going to get any bullpen help, and, by praising Konerko, they indicating a trade of Carlos Lee.

Great.
I believe Kenny is going to go after Pavano. He made the mistake of saying a few weeks ago that he was going to get one of the top free agent pitchers. That was dumb, becuase it exposed him, and put him in a place where he almost has to overpay just to get one of them. He is stepping back now to hide his true intentions.
I feel that we will get Carl Pavano in the offseason. Even if we have to overpay for him.

CubKilla
10-05-2004, 02:30 PM
It is my responsibility to build a team that has a chance to win its division each season, and we began that project for 2005 well before this season ended.
Note to KW..... How about building a team that has a chance to win the World Series you dolt.

CubKilla

Lip Man 1
10-05-2004, 02:33 PM
Cubkiller:

You beat me to it. I was just getting ready to say the same thing...of course we all know trying to get to or win a World Series costs to much. The Sox have to be 'fiscally responsible' you know.

Lip

SEALgep
10-05-2004, 02:35 PM
I believe Kenny is going to go after Pavano. He made the mistake of saying a few weeks ago that he was going to get one of the top free agent pitchers. That was dumb, becuase it exposed him, and put him in a place where he almost has to overpay just to get one of them. He is stepping back now to hide his true intentions.
I feel that we will get Carl Pavano in the offseason. Even if we have to overpay for him.It really doesn't put us in a bad spot saying we are going after a top FA pitcher. It's no secret, it's not as if Pavano doesn't know every team would want him. It's still going to cost any team to get one of the top FA pitchers.

CubKilla
10-05-2004, 02:36 PM
Cubkiller:

You beat me to it. I was just getting ready to say the same thing...of course we all know trying to get to or win a World Series costs to much. The Sox have to be 'fiscally responsible' you know.

LipI believe that KW's quote is a telling "slip"..... if you will. I truly believe JR is fine with assembling a Division Champion as long as he makes $$$ rather that assembling a World Champion that may cost him $$$..... but would make him $$$ in the long run.

jackbrohamer
10-05-2004, 02:39 PM
I am convinced that if Paul came into the last at-bat of the season with the chance for either the home run crown or the opportunity to win the game, he would willingly sacrifice his own success for the team. He is as unselfish a player as we have.
Sounds like Hawk Harrelson's ghost-writing his material for him.

hitlesswonder
10-05-2004, 02:47 PM
Brian Anderson maybe?
If you take Williams' previous comments at face value, I think it had to be Borchard on the chart. I think the Sox had/have Borchard rated ahead of Reed, which is why he was "untouchable", whereas the same was never said about Reed. If this is the case, I think that makes the stuff said about going with OBP, speed, and defense seem like just a bunch talk. But who knows, that's just speculation.

The letter is disappointing on a couple of points. It sounds like the Sox plan on going with Grilli as a fifth starter, or (less likely) a very cheap free agent. I would have hoped that the last few years had shown the Sox that it would be a tremendous advantage to not punt away every fifth start. Also, it sounds like they are valuing Konerko over Lee, which I think is a mistake. Lee is more athletic, hits for a higher average, has home/road splits that are even, and has the same slugging percentage and OPS as Konerko had during what has to be considered his career year. If Lee is traded to clear salary for a "pursuit" of Beltran which leaves the Sox outfield as Everett, Rowand, Borchard, I'm going to be less than excited. But if that does happen, maybe it will be a good way for me to slowly stop paying attention to baseball going into the lockout in 2006.

Of course, it is just a PR letter (even if not very uplifting), so who knows what will happen. I'll try to keep my pessimism in check until something actually happens.

CarlosMay'sThumb
10-05-2004, 03:13 PM
We can always just chant together:
HELL NO! WE WONT SPEND!

:reinsy
Can I join in too?I don't get it. The Sox spent more than anybody in their division and still can't beat the Twins. Doesn't that tell you that it's not how much money they're spending but who they're spending it on. This constant chirping at Reinsdorf is just dumb. He's spending enough to at least build a decent farm system and win this crappy division.

nodiggity59
10-05-2004, 03:17 PM
With regards to Reed not being on their board for 2004-07, I read it as they wanted Maggs resigned. As, Kenny said they offered him the biggest deal in WS history and ultimately THEY counted on it happening.

No need to go on about Borchard/Reed conspiracies.

Iwritecode
10-05-2004, 03:20 PM
I don't get it. The Sox spent more than anybody in their division and still can't beat the Twins. Doesn't that tell you that it's not how much money they're spending but who they're spending it on. This constant chirping at Reinsdorf is just dumb. He's spending enough to at least build a decent farm system and win this crappy division.

Had the players they did spend money on stayed healthy, they might have had a chance...

Flight #24
10-05-2004, 03:22 PM
I don't get it. The Sox spent more than anybody in their division and still can't beat the Twins. Doesn't that tell you that it's not how much money they're spending but who they're spending it on. This constant chirping at Reinsdorf is just dumb. He's spending enough to at least build a decent farm system and win this crappy division.
You think having about 20% of your payroll on the DL impacted that at all?

jabrch
10-05-2004, 03:22 PM
An interesting note pointed out in the other thread on this letter (which I'm assuming will be merged with this one at some point):


That's interesting. I'd be curious to see who WAS on that chart in RF (or CF) since apparently Reed was not. We'll have to see, but I'd have thought they'd at least have him as a strong option if not the favorite for one of those jobs. Unless they really thought that they could resign Maggs with playoff revenues, and attendance boosts from winning. Otherwise, not a great sign, although it could easily just be KW's way of downplaying the young talent given up in the Garcia deal.
I am guessing KW meant from the entire period of 2004 to 2007, there is no way he had a wallchart without Reed penciled in as a starter at some point in time.

jabrch
10-05-2004, 03:24 PM
Cubkiller:

You beat me to it. I was just getting ready to say the same thing...of course we all know trying to get to or win a World Series costs to much. The Sox have to be 'fiscally responsible' you know.

Lip

Have you ever managed a budget before?

Tekijawa
10-05-2004, 03:26 PM
You think having about 20% of your payroll on the DL impacted that at all?
Not as much as 60% percent of the remaining payroll can't hit. 90% of the remaining pay rollnot being able to bunt or steal. Or 25% of the Pitching payroll not deserving to fill a major league roster anywhere!

CarlosMay'sThumb
10-05-2004, 03:32 PM
You think having about 20% of your payroll on the DL impacted that at all?No, because those two players were on the team the previous 3 years and the Sox didn't win the division either. I think the Sox would have played better had they had Frank and Maggs but, if the previous 3 years are any indication, the Twins would have found a way to overtake them anyway.

The Sox simply do not have enough good players to win a division. They spent enough money to be better than the Twins, but they're not close and not getting closer. In fact, I think that if a new season started today and even if Frank and Maggs were healthy, most people (including myself) would pick both the Twins and the Indians to beat the Sox in the division.

HomeFish
10-05-2004, 03:41 PM
Um, no... But what the heck are you? Which is it? While you post here a lot and seem to be a legit Sox fan, you have made a lot of contempuous and/or acutely pessimistic Sox-related posts here and now you've got a Yankees signature that's neither tongue-in-cheek nor sarcastic that I can tell. If you root for two teams, that's your right, but expect some people to question your reasoning from time to time. For what it's worth, you did pick a bad team to root for on the side.

The Yankees are not playing the White Sox, are they. In fact, the White Sox are not playing at all.

As a White Sox fan, as somebody who dislikes the Twins, I want the Yankees to win their ALDS. I am willing to proclaim this desire publically. Is this a crime?

Flight #24
10-05-2004, 03:49 PM
No, because those two players were on the team the previous 3 years and the Sox didn't win the division either. I think the Sox would have played better had they had Frank and Maggs but, if the previous 3 years are any indication, the Twins would have found a way to overtake them anyway.

The Sox simply do not have enough good players to win a division. They spent enough money to be better than the Twins, but they're not close and not getting closer. In fact, I think that if a new season started today and even if Frank and Maggs were healthy, most people (including myself) would pick both the Twins and the Indians to beat the Sox in the division.
Go ahead and tell yourself that the additions of Uribe, ARow, Takatsu, and the change from Manuel to Guillen mean nothing. Go ahead and tell yourself that despite the fact that when the team was healthy they were fairly dominant (within a few games of best overall AL record), "something was bound to happen". I'm sure that helps you believe your own arguments better than actual facts.

Jjav829
10-05-2004, 03:53 PM
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It is my responsibility to build a team that has a chance to win its division each season, and we began that project for 2005 well before this season ended. It is our responsibility to bring all of our energy, intellect and effort to improving this team. I promise you everyone on my staff, and everyone in the front office, is focused on this mission.

Sincerely,

Ken Williams
Read:

:KW
"My excuse is in place. If I don't make any big moves or bring in a top tier pitcher, I can just say something about how acquiring Freddy Garcia and Jose Contreras were moves that most teams would make in the offseason but I made them earlier. See, the excuse is built right in. Just like previous years. I can feed all you fans some bs about how we'll be actively looking to pursue the team, and when that doesn't happen, and you know it won't, my excuse is built in that we made our significant moves during the 2004 season. See you in the 2005 season with virtually the exact same team as 2004. "

Justafan
10-05-2004, 03:55 PM
Read:

:KW
"My excuse is in place. If I don't make any big moves or bring in a top tier pitcher, I can just say something about how acquiring Freddy Garcia and Jose Contreras were moves that most teams would make in the offseason but I made them earlier. See, the excuse is built right in. Just like previous years. I can feed all you fans some bs about how we'll be actively looking to pursue the team, and when that doesn't happen, and you know it won't, my excuse is built in that we made our significant moves during the 2004 season. See you in the 2005 season with virtually the exact same team as 2004. "

The scary part about your Kenny humor is that your correct.:mad:

Al Capone
10-05-2004, 04:05 PM
Well...as long as you have nuts running the insane asylum.....what do you guys really expect.......there is always some excuse!:angry:

I guess i will just drink another season away next year!!!!:gulp:

Tekijawa
10-05-2004, 04:13 PM
Read:

:KW
"My excuse is in place. If I don't make any big moves or bring in a top tier pitcher, I can just say something about how acquiring Freddy Garcia and Jose Contreras were moves that most teams would make in the offseason but I made them earlier. See, the excuse is built right in. Just like previous years. I can feed all you fans some bs about how we'll be actively looking to pursue the team, and when that doesn't happen, and you know it won't, my excuse is built in that we made our significant moves during the 2004 season. See you in the 2005 season with virtually the exact same team as 2004. "Don't forget to tell us that if we come out to the park next season, we'll make some trades in June or July!

Realist
10-05-2004, 04:27 PM
I thought it was a very nice and sincere letter written by Kenny Williams that pretty much summed up my feelings for the season in a nutshell.

Well, except for the big wet kiss to Konerko. I'm not really sure what that's about. I've never been a Pauly hater but I know he absolutely killed us in 2003. I predicted he'd bounce back in 2004 and he did.

I dunno. Maybe Kenny added that part to the letter because there's still a big pile of "trade Konerko for 2 broken bats and a used rosen bag" type fans out there.

ewokpelts
10-05-2004, 04:28 PM
Don't forget to tell us that if we come out to the park next season, we'll make some trades in June or July!can we get robbie again?

PavanoBeltran'05
10-05-2004, 04:34 PM
No, because those two players were on the team the previous 3 years and the Sox didn't win the division either. I think the Sox would have played better had they had Frank and Maggs but, if the previous 3 years are any indication, the Twins would have found a way to overtake them anyway.

The Sox simply do not have enough good players to win a division. They spent enough money to be better than the Twins, but they're not close and not getting closer. In fact, I think that if a new season started today and even if Frank and Maggs were healthy, most people (including myself) would pick both the Twins and the Indians to beat the Sox in the division.That team didn't have a closer or people like Rowand and Uribe to step up and make noise. You can't compare 2003 to 2004. Apples and oranges. Hard to predict.

Justafan
10-05-2004, 04:35 PM
The letter was nothing more than a used car sell job by Williams. He needs to get as many fans as possible to renew their season tickets.

balke
10-05-2004, 04:40 PM
I doubt he even wrote the letter. It is very general, and common sense to the fans of CHicago. A PR person probably wrote it, and Kenny signed the bottom. The only part I disagree with right now is the assertion that Grilli could be a 5.

Grilli is a great fill in for injured/bust pitchers. We need a solid/proven pitcher in our rotation starting ahead of him.

Jjav829
10-05-2004, 04:41 PM
The letter was nothing more than a used car sell job by Williams. He needs to get as many fans as possible to renew their season tickets.
Yep. Real teams sign Free Agents to boost ticket sales. Not to say that other GM's aren't having their secretary send out a letter to fans about next season, but there are only two things that will bring in fans. Winning is #1. Acquiring top notch talent is the 2nd because that is conducive to winning. If Kenny did actually put thought and time into this letter (which he may have) than it's a nice touch but it means absolutely 100% nothing if it isn't followed through fully.

Justafan
10-05-2004, 04:47 PM
Not a chance Williams wrote that letter, Brooks Boyer? Maybe.

Tekijawa
10-05-2004, 04:49 PM
The letter was nothing more than a used car sell job by Williams. He needs to get as many fans as possible to renew their season tickets.
NOTE TO BROOKS BOYER!!!

used car salesman letters may work for about 15 extra season tickets... Randy Johnson and Carlos Beltran in White Sox uniforms would pack the place!!! Please let Kenny know that Cheesey marketing only goes so far!

Justafan
10-05-2004, 04:52 PM
But I DO NOT blame Williams for the mess. The finger gets pointed at one man and one man only.

Randar68
10-05-2004, 04:53 PM
I doubt he even wrote the letter. It is very general, and common sense to the fans of CHicago. A PR person probably wrote it, and Kenny signed the bottom. The only part I disagree with right now is the assertion that Grilli could be a 5.

Grilli is a great fill in for injured/bust pitchers. We need a solid/proven pitcher in our rotation starting ahead of him.
If you insist. I bet this is a conspiracy too. BTW, letters like this don't go out from professional businessmen with their names on the bottom without a significant portion of it coming from the man himself.

Why wouldn't Kenny have written it? I'm sure the marketing or PR department reviewed it and had suggestions, but the rest of posts like yours are pure and utter garbage...

The season sucked, but there's enough to complain about without making BS up.

Justafan
10-05-2004, 04:56 PM
If you insist. I bet this is a conspiracy too. BTW, letters like this don't go out from professional businessmen with their names on the bottom without a significant portion of it coming from the man himself.

Why wouldn't Kenny have written it? I'm sure the marketing or PR department reviewed it and had suggestions, but the rest of posts like yours are pure and utter garbage...

The season sucked, but there's enough to complain about without making BS up.I'm not so sure Williams did not get the letter, look it over and say, "looks good to me, send it out". However, VERY FEW of the problems are of Williams doing.

balke
10-05-2004, 05:13 PM
If you insist. I bet this is a conspiracy too. BTW, letters like this don't go out from professional businessmen with their names on the bottom without a significant portion of it coming from the man himself.

Why wouldn't Kenny have written it? I'm sure the marketing or PR department reviewed it and had suggestions, but the rest of posts like yours are pure and utter garbage...

The season sucked, but there's enough to complain about without making BS up.


I don't think it makes a difference either way if he wrote it or not. It is still very common sense to sox fans, and makes no new insights to the sox status heading into the postseason. Best example is saying he's happy w/ Garland and Grilli at #5, but we might make acquisitions in the offseason. Nothing is pointed out as something to be changed, except that we should be losing some power, and fixing the bottom and top of the rotation.... which is what every team does and wants to do in the offseason (that or they gain power).


I'm not making a conspiracy post, just saying that this letter doesn't mean much. But coming from MLB.com, and seeing the Freddy Garcia letter earlier this season, I highly doubt these people are actually sitting down saying "Man, I gotta get that letter done for MLB.com, I'm on a deadline here". Or even, "Man, I gotta write something to the fans here, they must be wondering how I feel. Get me MLB.com on the phone".

Randar68
10-05-2004, 05:19 PM
I don't think it makes a difference either way if he wrote it or not. It is still very common sense to sox fans, and makes no new insights to the sox status heading into the postseason. Best example is saying he's happy w/ Garland and Grilli at #5, but we might make acquisitions in the offseason. Nothing is pointed out as something to be changed, except that we should be losing some power, and fixing the bottom and top of the rotation.... which is what every team does and wants to do in the offseason.

Common sense to Sox fans like the die-hards here? Sure. He wants to change the make-up of the team that he and Ozzie have been frustrated about. He basically outlined what almost every person here, to a T, has been calling for. And when he does that, those same people bitch about it...

:whatever: *throws hands in air*

*** do you people want? A recluse who never addresses the media or fans? Someone who sits on his hands and acts like winning doesn't matter???

What in the world can KW do that WON'T be criticized by a large number of people here? I know, win a W-S, then we'll hear someone bitching about something else...

The season sucked. GET ON WITH LIFE. Stop it with the bitter disgusting pessimistic drivel in response to EVERY SINGLE bit of news, moves, announcements, etc...

Guess what, the sun will still set in the evening and rise in the morning. Good lord, you people are depressing.

DumpJerry
10-05-2004, 05:25 PM
You should be ashamed of that signature.

You could interpret the PK love-fest as a farewell. I still maintain PK will be gone before Carlos.I agree. That sounded like a sales pitch to other GM's for PK's services. He also does not give a 100% guarantee that Grilli will be #5.

I'd love to see the chart on the wall for the shortstop position. Even if, Heaven forbid, Jose is resigned, I can't him with us through 2007.

balke
10-05-2004, 05:27 PM
What in the world can KW do that WON'T be criticized by a large number of people here? I know, win a W-S, then we'll hear someone bitching about something else...

The season sucked. GET ON WITH LIFE. Stop it with the bitter disgusting pessimistic drivel in response to EVERY SINGLE bit of news, moves, announcements, etc...

Guess what, the sun will still set in the evening and rise in the morning. Good lord, you people are depressing.
Chill out Randar. It's not even a freakin Criticism of KW. good lord. This letter says NOTHING that hasn't been said in the PAPERS already. NOT JUST ON WSI. It has been reported OVER AND OVER AND OVER that the sox are losing big bats. If you have a subscription to Whitesox.com, odds are you know this stuff already, the letter doesn't have anything big to say, and seems like a nice little PR note to put the GM in contact w/ fans. A good thing on his end, but not much in there is worth a thread of pondering about. I doubt he wrote it.

I've been a FOK for a while, wrong person to freak out on.

Randar68
10-05-2004, 05:30 PM
Chill out Randar. It's not even a freakin Criticism of KW. good lord. This letter says NOTHING that hasn't been said in the PAPERS already. NOT JUST ON WSI. It has been reported OVER AND OVER AND OVER that the sox are losing big bats. If you have a subscription to Whitesox.com, odds are you know this stuff already, the letter doesn't have anything big to say, and seems like a nice little PR note to put the GM in contact w/ fans. A good thing on his end, but not much in there is worth a thread of pondering about. I doubt he wrote it.

I've been a FOK for a while, wrong person to freak out on.
This thread of conspiracy BS, another BS thread yesterday asking about KW's email address, and another invasion of the FOBB on the Talking Baseball board has me really disgusted as a whole with White Sox fans in general. Sorry I took it out on you, just a general rant...

balke
10-05-2004, 05:33 PM
beane sucks, kenny rules. Been gone for 3 days or so, sorry to hear the haters came out.

DumpJerry
10-05-2004, 05:40 PM
I don't get it. The Sox spent more than anybody in their division and still can't beat the Twins. Doesn't that tell you that it's not how much money they're spending but who they're spending it on. This constant chirping at Reinsdorf is just dumb. He's spending enough to at least build a decent farm system and win this crappy division.The Sox have to spend more than the others in the division. If you add up the size of the other markets combined (Detroit, Kansas City, Cleveland and Twin Cities), you would get a market that is probably roughly the same size as Chicago, give or take a few hundred thousand. The position the Sox are in is tremendous in that they can be a major market team in a middle market division. The Flubs do not have this advantage in their division and act like a major market team. The Flubs do not have the market size advantage in their division like the Sox do because Houston is the fourth largest city in the country after Chicago.

So.....Uncle Jerry has two, and only two, choices: spend or sell.

CubKilla
10-05-2004, 08:39 PM
But I DO NOT blame Williams for the mess. The finger gets pointed at one man and one man only.
I do. KW is in way over his head. Not that JR helps matters much.

pudge
10-05-2004, 11:36 PM
This thread of conspiracy BS, another BS thread yesterday asking about KW's email address, and another invasion of the FOBB on the Talking Baseball board has me really disgusted as a whole with White Sox fans in general. Sorry I took it out on you, just a general rant...
Which means you're either a) reading the boards too much, b) taking the boards too seriously or c) both.

:cool:

hitlesswonder
10-06-2004, 12:12 AM
With regards to Reed not being on their board for 2004-07, I read it as they wanted Maggs resigned. As, Kenny said they offered him the biggest deal in WS history and ultimately THEY counted on it happening.

No need to go on about Borchard/Reed conspiracies.
I wasn't going to chew up bandwidth with a response, but after all the talk of conspiracy theorists I felt like I should defend my post. I wasn't suggesting a Borchard/Reed conspiracy, I was just speculating on who the Sox had on their depth chart ahead of Reed, which I thought was an interesting question. From Williams' previous statements, I thought maybe it was Borchard. I wasn't suggesting that valuing Borchard above Reed would even be wrong (or that they could have traded Borchard instead of Reed or any of that nonsense), just that it would be an interesting choice based on professed team needs.

Anyway, I'm sure the letter is exactly what it is billed as, Williams' letter to Sox fans. I was just surprised it didn't try harder to generate enthusiasm (the idea of getting a quality starter through free agency was downplayed). Did anyone get a greater sense of optimism about next season after reading it? I'm asking seriously, as I would like to think that I'm just reading into the letter a lack enthusiasm that's not there.

jordan23ventura
10-06-2004, 12:33 AM
Common sense to Sox fans like the die-hards here? Sure. He wants to change the make-up of the team that he and Ozzie have been frustrated about. He basically outlined what almost every person here, to a T, has been calling for. And when he does that, those same people bitch about it...

:whatever: *throws hands in air*

*** do you people want? A recluse who never addresses the media or fans? Someone who sits on his hands and acts like winning doesn't matter???

What in the world can KW do that WON'T be criticized by a large number of people here? I know, win a W-S, then we'll hear someone bitching about something else...

The season sucked. GET ON WITH LIFE. Stop it with the bitter disgusting pessimistic drivel in response to EVERY SINGLE bit of news, moves, announcements, etc...

Guess what, the sun will still set in the evening and rise in the morning. Good lord, you people are depressing.Exactly.

BTW, I wonder how many GM's send emails out to their fans in the first place?

You can call KW whatever you like, but you can't say he isn't passionate about this team taking the division. He hasn't sat on his ass, and if Frank and Maggs had been healthy all year and had put up numbers somewhat akin to last year (completely ignoring the fact that HR total would most likey have been higher), with say Rowand and CLee at the top of the order, our 1-6 (Rowand-Lee-Thomas-Maggs-Konerko-Uribe) would have been awesome. Add a healthy Schoenweis in the 5 hole and the WIN column would look very different. So would Minnesota's. And so might the playoff picture.

Even given that, KW (or Boyer, or Hawk, or Buddha, or whoever you think worte the letter) SPECIFICALLY stated that he is making improvements and expressed his desire to make significant changes to better this team in case 2004 were to repeat itself next year.

So give the guy some credit already! Where would we be if he had listened to all us posters at the beginning of the season and traded PK for a bag of balls, sat Rowand on the bench all year, and sent Shingo back to Japan?

jordan23ventura
10-06-2004, 12:43 AM
Anyway, I'm sure the letter is exactly what it is billed as, Williams' letter to Sox fans. I was just surprised it didn't try harder to generate enthusiasm (the idea of getting a quality starter through free agency was downplayed). Did anyone get a greater sense of optimism about next season after reading it? I'm asking seriously, as I would like to think that I'm just reading into the letter a lack enthusiasm that's not there.
Keeping trades on the D-L is Kenny's best quality. In 2003 we came out of nowhere and nabbed Colon. In 2004, we pretty much knew we would get Garcia (I remember a game at home vs. Seattle that he started about a month or so before the trade where Hawk said something to the effect of "we could be looking at the next member of our starting rotation), but the media had him going to NY. We got him. Contreras also came out of nowhere, and if the rumors about Walker and Delgado not waiving no-trade clauses to come to Chicago had any truth to them, we would have had them out of nowhere as well.

I actually like the fact that Kenny is keeping this under wraps. I don't know about Beltran, but I think he will make a splash this year, especially in the SP category. And I guarantee that when it happens, it will turn a lot of heads.

Realist
10-06-2004, 02:23 AM
Common sense to Sox fans like the die-hards here? Sure. He wants to change the make-up of the team that he and Ozzie have been frustrated about. He basically outlined what almost every person here, to a T, has been calling for. And when he does that, those same people bitch about it...

:whatever: *throws hands in air*

*** do you people want? A recluse who never addresses the media or fans? Someone who sits on his hands and acts like winning doesn't matter???

What in the world can KW do that WON'T be criticized by a large number of people here? I know, win a W-S, then we'll hear someone bitching about something else...

The season sucked. GET ON WITH LIFE. Stop it with the bitter disgusting pessimistic drivel in response to EVERY SINGLE bit of news, moves, announcements, etc...

Guess what, the sun will still set in the evening and rise in the morning. Good lord, you people are depressing.
I like this post.

Realist
10-06-2004, 02:24 AM
Exactly.

BTW, I wonder how many GM's send emails out to their fans in the first place?

You can call KW whatever you like, but you can't say he isn't passionate about this team taking the division. He hasn't sat on his ass, and if Frank and Maggs had been healthy all year and had put up numbers somewhat akin to last year (completely ignoring the fact that HR total would most likey have been higher), with say Rowand and CLee at the top of the order, our 1-6 (Rowand-Lee-Thomas-Maggs-Konerko-Uribe) would have been awesome. Add a healthy Schoenweis in the 5 hole and the WIN column would look very different. So would Minnesota's. And so might the playoff picture.

Even given that, KW (or Boyer, or Hawk, or Buddha, or whoever you think worte the letter) SPECIFICALLY stated that he is making improvements and expressed his desire to make significant changes to better this team in case 2004 were to repeat itself next year.

So give the guy some credit already! Where would we be if he had listened to all us posters at the beginning of the season and traded PK for a bag of balls, sat Rowand on the bench all year, and sent Shingo back to Japan?
Another post I like.

Realist
10-06-2004, 02:25 AM
Keeping trades on the D-L is Kenny's best quality. In 2003 we came out of nowhere and nabbed Colon. In 2004, we pretty much knew we would get Garcia (I remember a game at home vs. Seattle that he started about a month or so before the trade where Hawk said something to the effect of "we could be looking at the next member of our starting rotation), but the media had him going to NY. We got him. Contreras also came out of nowhere, and if the rumors about Walker and Delgado not waiving no-trade clauses to come to Chicago had any truth to them, we would have had them out of nowhere as well.

I actually like the fact that Kenny is keeping this under wraps. I don't know about Beltran, but I think he will make a splash this year, especially in the SP category. And I guarantee that when it happens, it will turn a lot of heads.
And the hits just keep on coming!

Win1ForMe
10-06-2004, 08:36 AM
Common sense to Sox fans like the die-hards here? Sure. He wants to change the make-up of the team that he and Ozzie have been frustrated about. He basically outlined what almost every person here, to a T, has been calling for. And when he does that, those same people bitch about it...

:whatever: *throws hands in air*

*** do you people want? A recluse who never addresses the media or fans? Someone who sits on his hands and acts like winning doesn't matter???

What in the world can KW do that WON'T be criticized by a large number of people here? I know, win a W-S, then we'll hear someone bitching about something else...

The season sucked. GET ON WITH LIFE. Stop it with the bitter disgusting pessimistic drivel in response to EVERY SINGLE bit of news, moves, announcements, etc...

Guess what, the sun will still set in the evening and rise in the morning. Good lord, you people are depressing.I nominate this as POTW. The board is becoming unbearable with all the incoherent, unjustified criticism.

I mean, people are getting so desperate that Doug freakin' Padilla was cited as an authoritative source on the White Sox off-season plans.

I want Mags back
10-06-2004, 07:57 PM
So, in other words, the Sox are not going to go after a top-rotation FA, they are not going to get any bullpen help, and, by praising Konerko, they indicating a trade of Carlos Lee.

Great.
whoever put up that Yankees graphic should be throw of the faces of the earth

flo-B-flo
10-09-2004, 12:21 PM
The Yankees are not playing the White Sox, are they. In fact, the White Sox are not playing at all.

As a White Sox fan, as somebody who dislikes the Twins, I want the Yankees to win their ALDS. I am willing to proclaim this desire publically. Is this a crime? I've hated the yankers since before a lot of posters in here were born. The twits have been good enough to beat the Sox. And JUST good enough to get b*@#* slapped by the empire. A guy like Carlos Silva gives the Sox hitters problems. Then becomes red meat for cash machine row.

Lip Man 1
10-09-2004, 12:26 PM
Actually the Sox beat Silva four times this season...but I get your point.

It's called 'talent.' Something that overcomes 'luck,' slumps, injuries and bad seasons.

Lip

SEALgep
10-09-2004, 02:07 PM
Actually the Sox beat Silva four times this season...but I get your point.

It's called 'talent.' Something that overcomes 'luck,' slumps, injuries and bad seasons.

LipTalent doesn't overcome injuries or slumps. Both happen whether you like it or not.

Lip Man 1
10-09-2004, 07:45 PM
Seal:

When you spend the money so that you have qualified, capable major league players up and down your lineup, injuries and slumps can be overcome.

Case in point the 2004 White Sox as opposed to say the 2004 Angels.

Top organization expect these things to happen and plan ahead of time for it. The odds of going through a 162 game season without slumps or injuries is astronomical.

Lip

flo-B-flo
10-09-2004, 07:51 PM
But I DO NOT blame Williams for the mess. The finger gets pointed at one man and one man only. The proverbial nail on the head. Riensy's employees' always deflect the criticisms before they get to him. Kenny will take the heat and the fall just like Krause did.

SEALgep
10-09-2004, 08:42 PM
Seal:

When you spend the money so that you have qualified, capable major league players up and down your lineup, injuries and slumps can be overcome.

Case in point the 2004 White Sox as opposed to say the 2004 Angels.

Top organization expect these things to happen and plan ahead of time for it. The odds of going through a 162 game season without slumps or injuries is astronomical.

LipInjuries and slumps happen no matter how much you spend. Obviously money can bring in talent, no one is debating that. But money alone won't win you a WS, and that is a fact.

Lip Man 1
10-09-2004, 08:54 PM
Sigh...again somebody who wants a 100% guarantee before they think it's appropriate to tell Uncle Jerry to spend some money.

All I know is you spend money...big money you increase your chances dramatically of making the post season and perhaps the World Series. That's good enough for me because this organization hasn't done squat trying it the other way.

Lip

SEALgep
10-09-2004, 08:58 PM
Sigh...again somebody who wants a 100% guarantee before they think it's appropriate to tell Uncle Jerry to spend some money.

All I know is you spend money...big money you increase your chances dramatically of making the post season and perhaps the World Series. That's good enough for me because this organization hasn't done squat trying it the other way.

LipGuarantee? I want us to increase payroll, and I believe we will. I just get sick of whining and moaning about events that are yet to unfold. If the offseason sucks this year, feel free to carry on. Until then, how about giving it a rest.

voodoochile
10-10-2004, 01:15 AM
Guarantee? I want us to increase payroll, and I believe we will. I just get sick of whining and moaning about events that are yet to unfold. If the offseason sucks this year, feel free to carry on. Until then, how about giving it a rest.
Well, it sucked last season, so how about until the Sox go out and fix the problems that are readily apparent on the team, they stop claiming they are truly in it to win it...:o:

santo=dorf
10-10-2004, 01:30 AM
Common sense to Sox fans like the die-hards here? Sure. He wants to change the make-up of the team that he and Ozzie have been frustrated about. He basically outlined what almost every person here, to a T, has been calling for. And when he does that, those same people bitch about it...

:whatever: *throws hands in air*

*** do you people want? A recluse who never addresses the media or fans? Someone who sits on his hands and acts like winning doesn't matter???

What in the world can KW do that WON'T be criticized by a large number of people here? I know, win a W-S, then we'll hear someone bitching about something else...

The season sucked. GET ON WITH LIFE. Stop it with the bitter disgusting pessimistic drivel in response to EVERY SINGLE bit of news, moves, announcements, etc...

Guess what, the sun will still set in the evening and rise in the morning. Good lord, you people are depressing.
Randar68 is my favorite poster here at WSI for a reason.

JKryl
10-14-2004, 04:04 PM
Common sense to Sox fans like the die-hards here? Sure. He wants to change the make-up of the team that he and Ozzie have been frustrated about. He basically outlined what almost every person here, to a T, has been calling for. And when he does that, those same people bitch about it...

:whatever: *throws hands in air*

*** do you people want? A recluse who never addresses the media or fans? Someone who sits on his hands and acts like winning doesn't matter???

What in the world can KW do that WON'T be criticized by a large number of people here? I know, win a W-S, then we'll hear someone bitching about something else...

The season sucked. GET ON WITH LIFE. Stop it with the bitter disgusting pessimistic drivel in response to EVERY SINGLE bit of news, moves, announcements, etc...

Guess what, the sun will still set in the evening and rise in the morning. Good lord, you people are depressing.
What do we want? How about an honest effort toward a division championship. How about a trade that took a little thought on the part of the Sox, instead of a guess and a hunch. I'd be happy with that for at least one off season. Anything else would be gravy. :gulp:

Flight #24
10-14-2004, 04:08 PM
What do we want? How about an honest effort toward a division championship. How about a trade that took a little thought on the part of the Sox, instead of a guess and a hunch. I'd be happy with that for at least one off season. Anything else would be gravy. :gulp:
You mean like putting together a team with Garcia, Buehrle heading up the rotation, and an offense with ARow, Frank, Lee, Maggs, Konerko, Uribe?

Oh yeah, he did that. So you must mean a team with bonafide all-stars on the bench in case your top 2 hitters go down with injury. Shame on you KW for not doing that!!!