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Lip Man 1
10-03-2004, 05:20 PM
There is always something about the end of the season that makes me so melancholy. Iíve never been sure why...maybe because I realize Iím a year older with still no World Series appearance...maybe because the end of the season means Winter isnít far behind. Brrrrrr.

Well I guess the good news is that Spring training is only four and a half months away!!! Weíll see what (if anything) the Sox do to fill the gaping holes on this club.

Some interesting season numbers for discussion purposes. Feel free to conclude anything you wish out of them.

One run games: (The Sox started out an amazing 11-1 in this category) 28-18

Games when the Sox allow three runs or less: 43-11

Blown games: (Games where the Sox took a lead into the 7th inning or later and lost) 9

Dates of games: 4/5, 4/27, 5/14, 6/2, 6/6, 8/7, 8/22, 9/10, 9/28

Inning where lead was lost: 7th inning - 2, 8th inning - 3, 9th inning - 4

Rally games: (Games where the Sox were trailing in the 7th inning or later and won) 14

Dates of games: 4/14, 4/23, 4/25, 4/28, 5/5, 5/28, 6/15, 6/22, 7/8, 7/24, 9/1, 9/18, 9/21, 9/23

Inning where they took the lead: 7th inning - 4, 8th inning - 3, 9th inning - 6, 10th inning -1

Record of games in which 5th starter pitched: (By definition 5th starter means anyone other then Buehrle, Garcia, Loazia, Garland, Schowenweis or Contreras) (Note: The Sox won three games in September started by Grilli and Diaz when they were all but eliminated from the race) 9-16

Extra Inning Games: 6-7

Series Results: W 25, L 21, Split 6

Interleague record overall: 8-10, on the road (minus DH) 2-7

2004 season by month:

April 13-8
May 16-12
June 12-13
July 11-16
August 12-17
September 17-12
October 2-1

Cubs won 89 games, Sox won 83 games.

Sox victory totals since the start of the 2001 season: 83 (01), 81 (02), 86 (03), 83(04)

Average seasonal record since the start of the 2001 season: 83.25 - 78.75


Sox victory totals since the start of the 1998 season (the first full season after the White Flag Trade): 80 (98), 75 (99), 95 (00), 83 (01), 81 (02), 86 (03), 83 (04)

Average seasonal record since the start of the 1998 season: 83.28 - 78.57


and finally

2004 playoff teams: Yankees (big payroll), Red Sox (big payroll), Twins (small payroll), Angels (big payroll), Braves (big payroll), Cardinals (big payroll), Dodgers (big payroll), Astros (big payroll)

Do you see a trend here folks?????

Have a safe, happy Ďoff-seasoní and perhaps the baseball gods will finally smile on the Sox next year.

Lip

FarWestChicago
10-03-2004, 05:28 PM
2004 playoff teams: Yankees (big payroll), Red Sox (big payroll), Twins (small payroll), Angels (big payroll), Braves (big payroll), Cardinals (big payroll), Dodgers (big payroll), Astros (big payroll)

Do you see a trend here folks?????Yes, maybe the Twinks GM is the one deserving all the hype, unfortunately for us. http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

WinningUgly!
10-03-2004, 05:43 PM
2004 playoff teams: Yankees (big payroll), Red Sox (big payroll), Twins (small payroll), Angels (big payroll), Braves (big payroll), Cardinals (big payroll), Dodgers (big payroll), Astros (big payroll)

Do you see a trend here folks?????

Big payroll teams like the Mets, Cubs, Phillies, Giants & Mariners don't want to hear it.

Lip Man 1
10-03-2004, 05:53 PM
You spend more, you increase your chances of making the post season. It's that way today, it was that way yesterday and it'll be that way tomorrow.

Sooner or later even the White Sox organization must realize this indisputable fact.

And I'd argue the Giants have nothing to be ashamed of this season.

Lip

RichFitztightly
10-03-2004, 06:04 PM
2004 playoff teams: Yankees (big payroll), Red Sox (big payroll), Twins (small payroll), Angels (big payroll), Braves (big payroll), Cardinals (big payroll), Dodgers (big payroll), Astros (big payroll)

Do you see a trend here folks?????
Lip
Well, what is the Twins payroll compared to the rest of the AL Central? In reality that's who they're playing against anyways. I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing it's 2nd right behind the Sox, and not far behind at that.

rwcescato
10-03-2004, 11:22 PM
There is always something about the end of the season that makes me so melancholy. Iíve never been sure why...maybe because I realize Iím a year older with still no World Series appearance...maybe because the end of the season means Winter isnít far behind. Brrrrrr.

Well I guess the good news is that Spring training is only four and a half months away!!! Weíll see what (if anything) the Sox do to fill the gaping holes on this club.

Some interesting season numbers for discussion purposes. Feel free to conclude anything you wish out of them.

One run games: (The Sox started out an amazing 11-1 in this category) 28-18

Games when the Sox allow three runs or less: 43-11

Blown games: (Games where the Sox took a lead into the 7th inning or later and lost) 9

Dates of games: 4/5, 4/27, 5/14, 6/2, 6/6, 8/7, 8/22, 9/10, 9/28

Inning where lead was lost: 7th inning - 2, 8th inning - 3, 9th inning - 4

Rally games: (Games where the Sox were trailing in the 7th inning or later and won) 14

Dates of games: 4/14, 4/23, 4/25, 4/28, 5/5, 5/28, 6/15, 6/22, 7/8, 7/24, 9/1, 9/18, 9/21, 9/23

Inning where they took the lead: 7th inning - 4, 8th inning - 3, 9th inning - 6, 10th inning -1

Record of games in which 5th starter pitched: (By definition 5th starter means anyone other then Buehrle, Garcia, Loazia, Garland, Schowenweis or Contreras) (Note: The Sox won three games in September started by Grilli and Diaz when they were all but eliminated from the race) 9-16

Extra Inning Games: 6-7

Series Results: W 25, L 21, Split 6

Interleague record overall: 8-10, on the road (minus DH) 2-7

2004 season by month:

April 13-8
May 16-12
June 12-13
July 11-16
August 12-17
September 17-12
October 2-1

Cubs won 89 games, Sox won 83 games.

Sox victory totals since the start of the 2001 season: 83 (01), 81 (02), 86 (03), 83(04)

Average seasonal record since the start of the 2001 season: 83.25 - 78.75


Sox victory totals since the start of the 1998 season (the first full season after the White Flag Trade): 80 (98), 75 (99), 95 (00), 83 (01), 81 (02), 86 (03), 83 (04)

Average seasonal record since the start of the 1998 season: 83.28 - 78.57


and finally

2004 playoff teams: Yankees (big payroll), Red Sox (big payroll), Twins (small payroll), Angels (big payroll), Braves (big payroll), Cardinals (big payroll), Dodgers (big payroll), Astros (big payroll)

Do you see a trend here folks?????

Have a safe, happy Ďoff-seasoní and perhaps the baseball gods will finally smile on the Sox next year.

Lip
Yes Mark,
The end of the season is always sad. It marks the end of summer so what fitting way to end the baseball season but to listen to the game on one last sail on Lake Michigan. It was a beautiful day out there. After 40 years on this earth the off season remains the same. As one Sox anouncer use to say"
God willing I will be there for the next season." The Damage is done and the Sox have a lot of work to do. But just maybe this will be the year. Go YOU WHITE SOX in 2005.

Rich:supernana:

voodoochile
10-03-2004, 11:33 PM
Big payroll teams like the Mets, Cubs, Phillies, Giants & Mariners don't want to hear it.
2 of those teams were eliminated from the playoffs on the second to last day and the last day of the season. So of the 12 big payroll teams listed, 7 of them made the playoffs (again, out of 8 slots - and the 8th slot had no big payroll team eligible - ALC) and 2 more came with in a dropped popup or two of the playoffs also and ALL of the big payroll teams that missed the playoffs were beaten out by other big payroll teams.

Too put it in simpler terms - every single playoff slot that could possibly be filled by a big payroll team was...:?:

I'm shocked too...

idseer
10-03-2004, 11:36 PM
Yes Mark,
The end of the season is always sad. It marks the end of summer so what fitting way to end the baseball season but to listen to the game on one last sail on Lake Michigan. It was a beautiful day out there. After 40 years on this earth the off season remains the same. As one Sox anouncer use to say"
God willing I will be there for the next season." The Damage is done and the Sox have a lot of work to do. But just maybe this will be the year. Go YOU WHITE SOX in 2005.

Rich:supernana:

well put.