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Lip Man 1
10-01-2004, 06:18 PM
Here's the latest from the Tribune web site:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-041001cubstone,1,1791609.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

By the way did the Cubs ever announced if Caray was coming back?

Could be Stony in the Sox booth next year (let's hope!!)

Lip

zach23
10-01-2004, 06:26 PM
So they blamed a ball and blew that up last year, are they going to blame Stone for their mess and try to blow him up this year?

Foulke You
10-01-2004, 06:27 PM
Yikes...lots of tension in Cubbie land. God forbid Steve Stone doesn't fall in line with the corporate synergy of Tribune Tower. I never thought I'd be defending Steve Stone but he is 100% right. I personally loved this quote:

"You want the truth. You can't handle the truth," Stone said. "The truth of this situation is an extremely talented bunch of guys who want to look at all directions except where they should really look and kind of make excuses for what happened.

"At the end of the day, boys, don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship."

:lynch&mcfail
"We'll have to meet to discuss Mr. Stone's future with our company"

:hawk
"HE GONE!!"

Win1ForMe
10-01-2004, 06:28 PM
Here's the latest from the Tribune web site:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-041001cubstone,1,1791609.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

By the way did the Cubs ever announced if Caray was coming back?

Could be Stony in the Sox booth next year (let's hope!!)

LipI don't want any part of Steve Stone and his sharp wit anywhere near the Sox booth. DJ's just fine.

Besides, Hawk wouldn't be nearly as fun.

samram
10-01-2004, 06:31 PM
It shocked me, Baker said. I don't understand it, I don't understand the timing of it. It's bad timing. If there is something personal, you need to talk about it with somebody instead of broadcasting it to everyone else.


What? He's a broadcaster- that's his job. By the way, I could tell that something was different with Stone today- there were no predictions about what would happen given a count or situation, just vanilla DJ-type comments. It's too bad if they told him to shut his mouth.

Aidan
10-01-2004, 06:37 PM
I'm no Cubs fan but Steve Stone is a great announcer. He knows a ton about the game. That's why he's not worried about what he says. He could probably get a job with any team in the MLB.

ClaudelSleptHere
10-01-2004, 07:34 PM
Steve Stone as a Sox announcer would be a dream come true. This guy knows the game and tells it like it is. Only a bunch of ******* would have a problem with him.............oh wait.........

JoseCanseco6969
10-01-2004, 08:48 PM
Here's the latest from the Tribune web site:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-041001cubstone,1,1791609.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

By the way did the Cubs ever announced if Caray was coming back?

Could be Stony in the Sox booth next year (let's hope!!)

Lip
I agree, check out my earlier thread
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40623

Brian26
10-01-2004, 10:06 PM
After today, I have a newfound respect for Stone.

MJH played a tape of Stone predicting Dunn's hit, stolen base, and Valentin being dangerous.

On the 10th inning show, he asked Baker point-blank why they didn't put Valentin on first. I think Baker took offense to the question.

zach23
10-01-2004, 10:48 PM
After today, I have a newfound respect for Stone.

MJH played a tape of Stone predicting Dunn's hit, stolen base, and Valentin being dangerous.

On the 10th inning show, he asked Baker point-blank why they didn't put Valentin on first. I think Baker took offense to the question.

<wizard of Oz voice> How dare you question the great and mighty Dusty! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!</wizard of Oz voice>

flo-B-flo
10-01-2004, 11:23 PM
This reminds me of when Carey and Piersall were having a running battle with Tony LaRussa in the early 80's. Mercker calling the booth during a game to complain about Stone comments shows how the c___ have folded under the pressure of the pennant race. Baker could have nipped this in the bud but let it fester until it was too late. If Stone loses his job over this it speaks to the power of whiners influencing fan broadcasts. After last years power choke and this years september fold, they should be proud of this years accomplishment, painting Stone as the problem.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-01-2004, 11:36 PM
Typical Flubbies.
Whining and feeling sorry for themselves.

Typical Cubune.
Completely focused on muzzling any dissent from their hired minions.

If the Sox had any brains, they would contact Stone about his availability to do Sox color analysis in the Sox TV booth. Stealing a popular broadcaster from the Lovable Losers would be great P.R. and be great revenge for having lost Harry Caray back in 1982, too.

Could this really happen?

:reinsy
"Nah."

MRKARNO
10-01-2004, 11:46 PM
Typical Flubbies.
Whining and feeling sorry for themselves.

Typical Cubune.
Completely focused on muzzling any dissent from their hired minions.

If the Sox had any brains, they would contact Stone about his availability to do Sox color analysis in the Sox TV booth. Stealing a popular broadcaster from the Lovable Losers would be great P.R. and be great revenge for having lost losing Harry Caray back in 1982, too.

Could this really happen?

:reinsy

"Why would I want to get rid of DJ? Our focus groups have told us that they love him. Besides, he's cheap."

StillMissOzzie
10-01-2004, 11:53 PM
:lynch&mcfail

"Mr. McPhail, I don't know what to do. Steve Stone won't drink the Kool-Aid"

:chimp
"Yeah, c'mon, Steve, it's cool and refreshing. As my grandpa used to say, you can't beat fun at the old ball park."

That said, I wouldn't mind a duo of Hawk and Stone in the TV booth together. DJ would get pushed aside, like Milo Hamilton when the sCrUBS got Harry.

SMO
:gulp:

Viva Magglio
10-02-2004, 01:00 AM
I am not necessarily advocating this nor saying it would work, but do you think the White Sox would have a three-man booth if they hired Steve Stone? In other words, they wouldn't dump DJ and just add Stone?

I remember the end of 1993 spring training when we and the Cubs both finished up in Las Vegas. We played the Cubs in an afternoon game on WGN-TV. They had Hawk, Wimpy, and Stone doing the game. I believe Alex Fernandez started the game and got rocked by the Cubs. However, we made a mighty comeback sending the game into extra innings. We won it when Dan Pasqua went deep.

Anyway, I thought Hawk, Wimpy, and Stone had a great chemistry that day.

OEO Magglio
10-02-2004, 01:04 AM
I'm no Cubs fan but Steve Stone is a great announcer. He knows a ton about the game. That's why he's not worried about what he says. He could probably get a job with any team in the MLB.
Completely agreed.

illiniwhitesox
10-02-2004, 01:13 AM
I find it funny that Stone is getting pounded by the Cub whiners when all he is doing is stating what most critics have said about Baker going back to his days with the Giants.

Excellent clubhouse manager - knows how to get the best out of difficult personalties. Sometimes borders on being overprotective and coddling.

Terrible bench coach, with a penchant for blowing out the arms in his rotation. Poor strategist.

I figured sooner or later Stone would get his hand slapped. This is the way the evil corporation works. RUN, DUCK, COVER, OBFUSCATE!!

Wrigleyville becomes Lakeview as soon as a homicide takes place 100 yards away from home plate. Cover up the falling concrete from the beer garden. Slap down the LA Times reporter, when it is mentioned that the Cubs have not used top-level contractors to inspect and repair the damaged beer garden....... and so on and so on

FarWestChicago
10-02-2004, 01:15 AM
I find it funny that Stone is getting pounded by the Cub whiners when all he is doing is stating what most critics have said about Baker going back to his days with the Giants.

Excellent clubhouse manager - knows how to get the best out of difficult personalties. Sometimes borders on being overprotective and coddling.

Terrible bench coach, with a penchant for blowing out the arms in his rotation. Poor strategist.You left out biggest hypocrite and thinnest skin in the game. :D:

manuelsucks
10-02-2004, 01:18 AM
I'm no Cubs fan but Steve Stone is a great announcer. He knows a ton about the game. That's why he's not worried about what he says. He could probably get a job with any team in the MLB.Just what I was thinking. Steve Stone is by far one of baseball's most intellectual man I have ever heard. He knows so much about the game and how to predict what's going to happen. I was actually listening to some of his interview on 720 in the car, and man it was great. He was just ripping into the Cubs, especially Dusty "Hey man, relax" Baker. The thing that gets me so mad is, everything he said was COMPLETELY TRUE!! Baker doesn't know how to manage a game, (as sad as it is to say) the Cubs should be in the playoffs, and the team is just full of crybaby excuse making babies.

Hawk and Steve Stone would be the greatest baseball crew to ever exist. Smart analysis and great insight by Stone and well... it's Hawk, enough said.

TornLabrum
10-02-2004, 06:45 AM
He's too honest, and Uncle Jer won't allow that.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-02-2004, 08:46 AM
I am not necessarily advocating this nor saying it would work, but do you think the White Sox would have a three-man booth if they hired Steve Stone? In other words, they wouldn't dump DJ and just add Stone?

LOL! As it is right now the Sox TV booth is barely large enough to hold Hawk's ego. Now you want a third broadcaster?

It will never happen because:

1.) Stone would never be willing to shill like the Sox want him to,
2.) Stone would be expensive and Reinsdorf ain't payin',
3.) Hawk would hate the move,
4.) For over 20 years now, Hawk has his nose 10 feet up Reinsdorf's ass,
5.) Hawk gets what he wants.
And finally,
6.) It makes too much P.R. sense for the Sox to hire Stone so naturally Reinsdorf won't do it.

When you dig into the root causes why the Chicago White Sox are such a screwed up organization, all roots lead right back to the diseased and rotting tree trunk that is Reinsdorf. This ballclub will never be healthy until he is gone.

LauraJ14
10-02-2004, 11:38 AM
It would be refreshing to hear some honesty out of the Sox TV booth instead of the "ozzieball is wonderful" crap we have been hearing from Hawk. Maybe DJ could do radio with John Rooney and the annoying Ed Farmer could go away.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-02-2004, 12:19 PM
It would be refreshing to hear some honesty out of the Sox TV booth instead of the "ozzieball is wonderful" crap we have been hearing from Hawk. Maybe DJ could do radio with John Rooney and the annoying Ed Farmer could go away.I completely agree, however you're about to be attacked by the "Hawk is Great" phalanx.

Well, I suppose we could do worse... but not much worse. :cool:

:chimp
"ROCKET SHOT! Get back there... stretch!"

:hawk
"LEATHER LARCENY! He juuuuust missed it."

StillMissOzzie
10-02-2004, 05:08 PM
Maybe DJ could do radio with John Rooney and the annoying Ed Farmer could go away.
But then we'd be deprived of KingXerxes' hilarious takes on Farmio !!!

SMO
:gulp:

winning ugly 72
10-02-2004, 05:17 PM
i read in the paper awhile back when the cubs had their last day off earlier this month stone went to the cell to see hawk i think their friends

LauraJ14
10-02-2004, 07:44 PM
I completely agree, however you're about to be attacked by the "Hawk is Great" phalanx.

Well, I suppose we could do worse... but not much worse. :cool:


I usually don't have a problem with Hawk but this year he has annoyed me so much that I turned the mute button on for many games. I can't stand the Red Sox stories and the Ozzieball is an attitude crap and the pouty silence when the other team does something to beat the Sox.

kitekrazy
10-02-2004, 11:44 PM
Well, I suppose we could do worse... but not much worse. :cool:


I usually don't have a problem with Hawk but this year he has annoyed me so much that I turned the mute button on for many games. I can't stand the Red Sox stories and the Ozzieball is an attitude crap and the pouty silence when the other team does something to beat the Sox.
Same here. In fact it got me started to enjoy listening to DJ. That's bad.
STeve Stone is knowledgeable but he is also a bore.

C-Dawg
10-03-2004, 12:37 AM
Maybe DJ could do radio with John Rooney and the annoying Ed Farmer could go away.

Now, now, I think Rooney and Farmer are BY FAR the best on-air duo in Chicago; about 100 times better than Santo/Hughes.

jordan23ventura
10-03-2004, 12:56 AM
Now, now, I think Rooney and Farmer are BY FAR the best on-air duo in Chicago; about 100 times better than Santo/Hughes.
Ho about Farmer and Santo together?

That would sound something like a couple of loonies talking in the waiting room of a pain clinic.

Farmer: "Did I ever tell you about that time I saw a horse eat a carrot?"

Santo: "Noooo! What a shame, only rabbits eat carrots!"

Farmer: "That's what I said. Tejada hits a flyball to the centerfielder. Rowand camps under it and makes the catch."

Santo: "Who's that, the Rowand guy? Is he the second basman?"

Farmer: "No, the centerfielder. Which reminds me of a story..."

batmanZoSo
10-03-2004, 01:15 AM
It was weird to hear Steve Stone with a drop of emotion in his voice. Kudos to him though. Everything he said is dead on and the tribune can kiss his royal arse if they have a problem with the truth. There's the truth and :D: the truth :D: as the trib likes it.

I think the most satisfying part of this all is the cubs being eliminated from playoff contention. Can I get an amen?

StillMissOzzie
10-03-2004, 01:18 AM
I think the most satisfying part of this all is the cubs being eliminated from playoff contention. Can I get an amen?

AMEN, BROTHER!!!


SMO
:gulp:

red faber
10-03-2004, 01:24 AM
It was weird to hear Steve Stone with a drop of emotion in his voice. Kudos to him though. Everything he said is dead on and the tribune can kiss his royal arse if they have a problem with the truth. There's the truth and :D: the truth :D: as the trib likes it.

I think the most satisfying part of this all is the cubs being eliminated from playoff contention. Can I get an amen?



amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SoxFan76
10-03-2004, 03:38 AM
Stone's voice is way too annoying for me. I wouldn't be able to hear that voice all season.

Nellie_Fox
10-03-2004, 09:20 AM
Last year it was Bartman's fault. This year it's Stone's fault. And the beat goes on.

viagracat
10-03-2004, 11:01 AM
The same day Steve Stone unloaded on the Cubs on WGN Radio, they also brought in Chip Caray, who actually said "I'll be damned if I ever compromise my credibility for the sake of the egos of a few baseball players". Man, I didn't know the Chimp had in in him. For the first time since he came here I actually enjoyed something he had to say.

Now there's word in the Tribune that he's weighing an offer to join his father Skip in Atlanta. Coincidence?

Sounds like the Cubs want some mindless homer in the broadcast booth along the lines of Pat Hughes, who has a great voice but has become nothing but a knowledge-deficient cheerleader. It would make for very boring coverage. The only thing that makes a Cubs game on the radio listenable now is Ron Santo, whose wounded-mammoth bellows are becoming legendary.

Steve Stone is easily the most knowledgable baseball broadcaster in Chicago. His problem is he's no cheerleader and yes, he has a big ego. Most Cub fans apparently agree that what he said was absolutlely correct, and it would be best for the players to simply shut up and play. If he leaves because he offended the team, it's an absolute indictment of the Cubs organization.

And I tend to agree that he probably would not fit in well next to the Hawk; two strong personalities probably can't exist in the same broadcast booth. Might be fun though.

StrTrkker
10-03-2004, 11:12 AM
Tim McCarver also defended Stone on FOX saying...That when the Cubs manager and Cub President and GM has to have a meeting with Steve Stone to address this "personal attack" on Baker that the team Management should look elsewhere to blame (the team itself) instead of looking at the broadcast booth.

Another 2004 low point in a laughable season of many.

Lip Man 1
10-03-2004, 01:12 PM
Caray is gone, Cubs fired him today according to Bruce Levine. He'll be with the Braves next year.

Lip

tebman
10-04-2004, 12:47 PM
The same day Steve Stone unloaded on the Cubs on WGN Radio, they also brought in Chip Caray, who actually said "I'll be damned if I ever compromise my credibility for the sake of the egos of a few baseball players". Man, I didn't know the Chimp had in in him. For the first time since he came here I actually enjoyed something he had to say.

Now there's word in the Tribune that he's weighing an offer to join his father Skip in Atlanta. Coincidence?

Sounds like the Cubs want some mindless homer in the broadcast booth along the lines of Pat Hughes, who has a great voice but has become nothing but a knowledge-deficient cheerleader. It would make for very boring coverage. The only thing that makes a Cubs game on the radio listenable now is Ron Santo, whose wounded-mammoth bellows are becoming legendary.

Steve Stone is easily the most knowledgable baseball broadcaster in Chicago. His problem is he's no cheerleader and yes, he has a big ego. Most Cub fans apparently agree that what he said was absolutlely correct, and it would be best for the players to simply shut up and play. If he leaves because he offended the team, it's an absolute indictment of the Cubs organization.

And I tend to agree that he probably would not fit in well next to the Hawk; two strong personalities probably can't exist in the same broadcast booth. Might be fun though.I always liked Stone's intelligent analysis, but his professor-auditioning-for-a-talk-show voice annoys me. Doesn't matter, though -- the North Side Baseball Club needs somebody to blame and rather than look at themselves they go after Stone and Caray. What a ship of fools.

Your description of Pat Hughes is dead-on. That guy sounds like a parody of a sports announcer with his voice rolling like ocean waves ("...and that's a HIT, for the CHICAGO Cubs, on another BE-YOOT-iful day at Wrigley Field...") without saying anything useful. The ideal announcer for the Revered Team playing in the Legendary Ball Yard.

Bah.

- tebman

Brian26
10-04-2004, 12:56 PM
Caray is gone, Cubs fired him today according to Bruce Levine. He'll be with the Braves next year.

Lip

Again, how do you fire someone on the morning of the last day of their contract? Maybe they made the decision, officially, to not renew his contract or offer a new one, but they didn't fire him. He even worked the game yesterday. If they truly fired him yesterday, Caray wouldn't have worked the game. Caray chose to leave. The Chicago Tribune even had a story in the morning paper yesterday that Caray was considering an offer from Atlanta.

Again, it's the whole "I Quit/No, You're Fired" gimmick.

SOXSINCE'70
10-04-2004, 01:07 PM
Here's the latest from the Tribune web site:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-041001cubstone,1,1791609.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

By the way did the Cubs ever announced if Caray was coming back?

Could be Stony in the Sox booth next year (let's hope!!)

LipNice idea,Lip.Just one problem;Stone is his own man.He will not be a company puppet like most analysts (I won't name names,but the initials DJ come to mind).I'd love to hear Stone tell Hawk to "shut the hell up" several times a year. My God,i've spent most of this season screaming "shut up already!!" at Harrelson when he starts ranting and raving about anything.I've spent the last 15 seasons with baseballisms like"can of corn","duck snort" and " 'tweener" .I've put up with "stretch!", "he gawn",
"get up,get back there", "stretchy looks up",:rolleyes: "that's trouble",
"stretchy jumps":rolleyes: and there are times I wish Harrelson would just shut up and call the game.

SOXSINCE'70
10-04-2004, 01:11 PM
amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'll give it a third vote:AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!