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Lip Man 1
09-22-2004, 12:57 PM
Jimmy Greenfield's column today in the Tribune comes to the conclusion that Kenny Williams needs to be fired and he's asking for your thoughts on it.

Here is the link: http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-040922greenfield,1,1841094.column?coll=cs-columnists

Here is what I sent him:

Jimmy:


With respect to your comments on Williams, all valid by the way. Say Uncle Jerry does fire him. Who does he bring in?


You know he has NEVER hired a G.M. who previously held that position at the major league level. (Roland Hemond was already here when he bought the team in 1981.)

Do you think he'd go after any of the top G.M.'s? Guys like Cashman, Sabean, Jocketty, Beane, Schuerholz or Ryan? Those guys cost money...big money. Uncle Jerry has NEVER paid top dollar for his upper management.


Do you think any top G.M. worth his salt would work under the conditions imposed by Uncle Jerry? (i.e. limited budget and or limited authority) Think again.


The moral of the story?


The problems with this organization stem from the owner. It all starts at the top. Until that changes, this team is on a treadmill to nowhere. Also remember if Williams is fired, his replacement is almost sure to be worse with even less experience then Kenny baby.


Mark Liptak
mliptak1@ida.net

Tekijawa
09-22-2004, 01:06 PM
If I'm not Mistaken Tony Larussa doesn't have a contract for next year... Jerry Just recently said that his biggest regret is letting Larussa go... I can dream can't I?!?!?

Lip Man 1
09-22-2004, 01:08 PM
Tony LaRussa (God love him) is a field manager, not a G.M.

BIG difference.

Lip

batmanZoSo
09-22-2004, 01:13 PM
Jimmy Greenfield's column today in the Tribune comes to the conclusion that Kenny Williams needs to be fired and he's asking for your thoughts on it.

Here is the link: http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-040922greenfield,1,1841094.column?coll=cs-columnists

Here is what I sent him:

Jimmy:


With respect to your comments on Williams, all valid by the way. Say Uncle Jerry does fire him. Who does he bring in?


You know he has NEVER hired a G.M. who previously held that position at the major league level. (Roland Hemond was already here when he bought the team in 1981.)

Do you think he'd go after any of the top G.M.'s? Guys like Cashman, Sabean, Jocketty, Beane, Schuerholz or Ryan? Those guys cost money...big money. Uncle Jerry has NEVER paid top dollar for his upper management.


Do you think any top G.M. worth his salt would work under the conditions imposed by Uncle Jerry? (i.e. limited budget and or limited authority) Think again.


The moral of the story?


The problems with this organization stem from the owner. It all starts at the top. Until that changes, this team is on a treadmill to nowhere. Also remember if Williams is fired, his replacement is almost sure to be worse with even less experience then Kenny baby.


Mark Liptak
mliptak1@ida.net

That's exactly what I said and it's the truth. Everyone just can it with the KW talk. He's not the best but he's better than average. And he tries, unlike Schueler. But I don't wanna turn this into a defend KW thread, let's keep it where it is, stating the facts: JR is the problem.

Tekijawa
09-22-2004, 01:13 PM
Tony LaRussa (God love him) is a field manager, not a G.M.

BIG difference.

LipThat's still more than we've had in that positon in at least 4 years! Not to mention how fun it would be to see him "interact with" Hawk!

As to Schuler, he wasn't great but I do remember a few postseasons under him!

soxtalker
09-22-2004, 01:27 PM
Greenfield makes a comment about KW's hands being tied regarding salary, an oft-repeated statement on WSI. Here's a related question. How much are the GM's hands tied on other matters? I'm not so much talking about manager and coaches, but, rather, positions deeper in the organization -- scouts and personnel in the minor league system.

AddisonStSox
09-22-2004, 01:29 PM
http://images.forbes.com/media/magazines/forbes/2003/0428/Jerry_Reinsdorf.jpg "So what do you say Tony, want to re-live the glory days?"

*-----http://www.beninati.com/images/Tony-LaRussa.jpg-----*

http://dixiesd.marin.k12.ca.us/dixieschool/web/web1/middle/johnbuccheri/baseball/larussa.jpg"Um, no thanks."


http://images.forbes.com/media/magazines/forbes/2003/0428/Jerry_Reinsdorf.jpg"Are you sure? I promise I'll give you no money, let you make all the stupid trades you want, and hope that the fans come back to the stadium."


http://dixiesd.marin.k12.ca.us/dixieschool/web/web1/middle/johnbuccheri/baseball/larussa.jpg"Oh yeah, I'm sure."

mdep524
09-22-2004, 02:04 PM
Tony LaRussa (God love him) is a field manager, not a G.M.

BIG difference.

Lip
You don't think he could make the transition and be a capable GM? Don't hold the fact that he is currently a field manager against him.

gosox41
09-22-2004, 02:18 PM
That's exactly what I said and it's the truth. Everyone just can it with the KW talk. He's not the best but he's better than average. And he tries, unlike Schueler. But I don't wanna turn this into a defend KW thread, let's keep it where it is, stating the facts: JR is the problem.
So what you're saying is that KW can put together a second place team and an occasional division champion without trying, yet KW has to work really hard to do it?:D:


Bob

pudge
09-22-2004, 02:55 PM
Kenny goes after it every season regardless of the payroll. I think he should stay, but slightly alter the type of players he goes after. If we bring someone else in, we'll be starting from scratch and who knows if that new GM will have half the intensity of KW.

Dan H
09-22-2004, 04:46 PM
The only reason to bring in a new General Manager is if the franchise is going to make a drastic change and Williams is not the one needed the lead the way. Hiring an inexperienced front office man just to make a change won't cut it. In addition, a change of attitude has to come from the top. Just to have power changing hands won't bring great results. The team needs a lift just like the one Roland Hemond gave it in the early 70's.

Lip Man 1
09-22-2004, 04:52 PM
Dan:

Amen!

Lip

lths06
09-22-2004, 05:24 PM
What I've alwyas thought is...why not have two GM's. Let's imagine that Jerry would actually add another to the payroll. I've always thought it was really hard for the GM to make all of the critical player decisions. Why not have two, so they can brainstorm together and take a little bit of the pressure off.