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Paid Santiago
08-24-2004, 05:32 AM
As far as next year's plans


our starting rotation will be

1. garcia
2. buerhle
3. contreras
4. odalis perez or chris carpenter or pavano. preferably ODALIS!!!!!! (offer him in the 7-10 mil range)
5. felix diaz or neil cotts


then active pursue a left handed reliever(steve kline,trever miller,) to accompany marte as a specialist

release politte, sign try and jay witasick(last option) for cheap & pursue ugeth urbina or scott williamson or felix rodriguez(most likely williamson) to be set up man or closer.

we keep cotts & adkins,marte & tkastu. let go of polite and add kline & williamson. Closer: Williamson Set up man RHP : Shingo Set up man lhp : Marte. middle inning relief : Steve KLINE. Long relief : Cotts/diaz & adkins.


then we trade paul konerko , jon garland & yes the dreaded minor league pitcher or 2 minor league players whatever!!!!!!!! :?: to montreal for nick johnson, & brad wilkerson & henry mateo & a throw in.


then i try to package joe borchard and someone for some young pitching or anything..... :(


batting line up

2b willie harris - .270, .335 to .350 obp, 4 homers, 30 stolen bases, adequate Defense
rf brad wilkerson .273 avg .365-.380 obp, 24 homers, 80 rbi 10 stolen bases and damn good defense.
dh frank thomas .310 avg, 33 homers, .458 obp, .623 slug pct
1b nick johnson .275 avg, , .350 obp, 100 walks, 25 homers, 100 rbi and good defense.
lf carlos lee .299 avg , 38 homers, 100 rbi, 70 walks, 100 k's, 10 stolen bases
c. ben davis .254 avg, 13 homers , adequate defense
cf. rowrand .275 avg, 18 homers, 23 stolen bases, .323 obp
3b. joe crede .270 25-30 homers , and good defense @ 3rd(this will be crede's year!)
ss. uribe .260 avg, .305 obp, 18 stolen bases.

bench

1. carl everett
2. timo perez
3. ross gload
4. alex escobar
5. henry mateo - excellent speed , a very fast runner who can steal bases and has.

Someone tell me if this team is financially possible because i think i just constructed a 95 win team.


thats a solid team in my opinion and diaz will step it up with at least a 4.83 e.r.a


also gives us that lefty/righty balance

balke
08-24-2004, 10:08 AM
As far as next year's plans


our starting rotation will be

1. garcia
2. buerhle
3. contreras
4. odalis perez or chris carpenter or pavano. preferably ODALIS!!!!!! (offer him in the 7-10 mil range)
5. felix diaz or neil cotts


then active pursue a left handed reliever(steve kline,trever miller,) to accompany marte as a specialist

release politte, sign try and jay witasick(last option) for cheap & pursue ugeth urbina or scott williamson or felix rodriguez(most likely williamson) to be set up man or closer.

we keep cotts & adkins,marte & tkastu. let go of polite and add kline & williamson. Closer: Williamson Set up man RHP : Shingo Set up man lhp : Marte. middle inning relief : Steve KLINE. Long relief : Cotts/diaz & adkins.


then we trade paul konerko , jon garland & yes the dreaded minor league pitcher or 2 minor league players whatever!!!!!!!! :?: to montreal for nick johnson, & brad wilkerson & henry mateo & a throw in.


then i try to package joe borchard and someone for some young pitching or anything..... :(


batting line up

2b willie harris - .270, .335 to .350 obp, 4 homers, 30 stolen bases, adequate Defense
rf brad wilkerson .273 avg .365-.380 obp, 24 homers, 80 rbi 10 stolen bases and damn good defense.
dh frank thomas .310 avg, 33 homers, .458 obp, .623 slug pct
1b nick johnson .275 avg, , .350 obp, 100 walks, 25 homers, 100 rbi and good defense.
lf carlos lee .299 avg , 38 homers, 100 rbi, 70 walks, 100 k's, 10 stolen bases
c. ben davis .254 avg, 13 homers , adequate defense
cf. rowrand .275 avg, 18 homers, 23 stolen bases, .323 obp
3b. joe crede .270 25-30 homers , and good defense @ 3rd(this will be crede's year!)
ss. uribe .260 avg, .305 obp, 18 stolen bases.

bench

1. carl everett
2. timo perez
3. ross gload
4. alex escobar
5. henry mateo - excellent speed , a very fast runner who can steal bases and has.

Someone tell me if this team is financially possible because i think i just constructed a 95 win team.


thats a solid team in my opinion and diaz will step it up with at least a 4.83 e.r.a


also gives us that lefty/righty balance
Montreal can't afford Paulie, and won't be giving us Wilkerson anytime soon. I think about every team in the majors is after that guy. unless we give them rowand and Diaz or something. I'd expect to see Garland back, unless KW gets the right offer for him. Other teams should still respect the potential in this guy, and see that he can actually win games, and give his team a shot when he goes out there. So maybe you could send him somewhere he could excel, and get back a couple bullpen arms?

Dadawg_77
08-24-2004, 12:09 PM
This is premature. Lots of folks said the same thing at this time last year . . . before 80% of the starting SS in MLB went on the market.


I agree in principle, but most of the guys you mentioned have a higher OBP than Valentin.
Other then Uribe, none of them play SS. And Uribe has been worse then Jose since May. Like I said, I think Jose's June is a bad fluke and that has really brought down his YTD numbers and I would expect his OBP to bounce back to .320 -.340 range next year. That is great, but combined with his power, it is good production form the SS postion.

samram
08-24-2004, 12:13 PM
Other then Uribe, none of them play SS. And Uribe has been worse then Jose since May. Like I said, I think Jose's June is a bad fluke and that has really brought down his YTD numbers and I would expect his OBP to bounce back to .320 -.340 range next year. That is great, but combined with his power, it is good production form the SS postion.
OTOH, he is going to be 35, so maybe we're starting to see him lose some skill.

Dadawg_77
08-24-2004, 12:16 PM
As far as next year's plans


our starting rotation will be

1. garcia
2. buerhle
3. contreras
4. odalis perez or chris carpenter or pavano. preferably ODALIS!!!!!! (offer him in the 7-10 mil range)
5. felix diaz or neil cotts


then active pursue a left handed reliever(steve kline,trever miller,) to accompany marte as a specialist

release politte, sign try and jay witasick(last option) for cheap & pursue ugeth urbina or scott williamson or felix rodriguez(most likely williamson) to be set up man or closer.

we keep cotts & adkins,marte & tkastu. let go of polite and add kline & williamson. Closer: Williamson Set up man RHP : Shingo Set up man lhp : Marte. middle inning relief : Steve KLINE. Long relief : Cotts/diaz & adkins.


then we trade paul konerko , jon garland & yes the dreaded minor league pitcher or 2 minor league players whatever!!!!!!!! :?: to montreal for nick johnson, & brad wilkerson & henry mateo & a throw in.


then i try to package joe borchard and someone for some young pitching or anything..... :(


batting line up

2b willie harris - .270, .335 to .350 obp, 4 homers, 30 stolen bases, adequate Defense
rf brad wilkerson .273 avg .365-.380 obp, 24 homers, 80 rbi 10 stolen bases and damn good defense.
dh frank thomas .310 avg, 33 homers, .458 obp, .623 slug pct
1b nick johnson .275 avg, , .350 obp, 100 walks, 25 homers, 100 rbi and good defense.
lf carlos lee .299 avg , 38 homers, 100 rbi, 70 walks, 100 k's, 10 stolen bases
c. ben davis .254 avg, 13 homers , adequate defense
cf. rowrand .275 avg, 18 homers, 23 stolen bases, .323 obp
3b. joe crede .270 25-30 homers , and good defense @ 3rd(this will be crede's year!)
ss. uribe .260 avg, .305 obp, 18 stolen bases.

bench

1. carl everett
2. timo perez
3. ross gload
4. alex escobar
5. henry mateo - excellent speed , a very fast runner who can steal bases and has.

Someone tell me if this team is financially possible because i think i just constructed a 95 win team.


thats a solid team in my opinion and diaz will step it up with at least a 4.83 e.r.a


also gives us that lefty/righty balance
Well your bench can't hit a lick and doesn't have a backup catcher. Everett cost too much to be a bench player, so you either need to trade him or play him. I am not sure a team starting Urbie could win 95 games. Ben Davis isn't good enough to merit a starting job yet. Maybe he is finally living up to his potential or more then likely just getting lucky right now.

Nick Johnson could be a very good player, but has completely regressed this year. It could be wrist injury or something else, but I would check that out before acquiring him. Also you have raised to White Sox payroll to a level we will hardly likely to see.

samram
08-24-2004, 12:22 PM
Well your bench can't hit a lick and doesn't have a backup catcher. Everett cost too much to be a bench player, so you either need to trade him or play him. I am not sure a team starting Urbie could win 95 games. Ben Davis isn't good enough to merit a starting job yet. Maybe he is finally living up to his potential or more then likely just getting lucky right now.

Nick Johnson could be a very good player, but has completely regressed this year. It could be wrist injury or something else, but I would check that out before acquiring him. Also you have raised to White Sox payroll to a level we will hardly likely to see.I think I also remember seeing a really bad mustache on Johnson when the Sox played them. That's never good. I also don't think the Expos are going to be getting rid of too many guys this offseason if they want the team to be any type of draw when they move.

Dadawg_77
08-24-2004, 12:30 PM
OTOH, he is going to be 35, so maybe we're starting to see him lose some skill.
Maybe but I doubt it. His ISO power, Slg - Avg, has gone up to .275 from .227. If a player is regressing due to age, that should drop as power is one of the first things to go after speed. Also .275 ISO power is excellent power production 15 overall in the MLB, next closest SS is Carlos Guillen at .234.

Dadawg_77
08-24-2004, 12:31 PM
I think I also remember seeing a really bad mustache on Johnson when the Sox played them. That's never good. I also don't think the Expos are going to be getting rid of too many guys this offseason if they want the team to be any type of draw when they move.
But your point could be why they would pick up Konerko.

hold2dibber
08-24-2004, 01:36 PM
Other then Uribe, none of them play SS. And Uribe has been worse then Jose since May. Like I said, I think Jose's June is a bad fluke and that has really brought down his YTD numbers and I would expect his OBP to bounce back to .320 -.340 range next year. That is great, but combined with his power, it is good production form the SS postion.
Jose's OBP over the last few years:

'00: .343
'01: .336
'02: .311
'03: .313
'04: .291

He hasn't had an OBP in the .320-.340 range for 3 years and has a career OBP of just .322; I think it's pretty unlikely that he'll reverse the trend at age 35 next year and post an OBP in that range.

kittle42
08-24-2004, 02:29 PM
This is Earth calling. We'd like the originator of this thread to come back.

SoxPAguy
08-24-2004, 05:51 PM
I like most of your ideas except for starting pitching. WIth 20 mil to spend in the offseason we should purse a solid starter or two and trade garland for some pen arms or 5th starter. We should sign Odalis perez via FA and get someone else like Russ Ortiz or make a trade for Ted Lily. We can package garland and gload for lily. WE also need to find some arms for then pen, Williamson had tommy john surgery so forget it. We can sign a couple solid arms for a few mil. Also look for us to pursue guzman for SS. Carl Pavano is too expensive!

Harris=God
08-24-2004, 06:23 PM
well according to baseball mogul 2005 this team goes 71 and 91 in 4th, and no injuries