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Fenway
08-20-2004, 09:41 PM
It borders on tragic that MLB has seen fit to only schedule the Red Sox and White Sox for 6 games in 2004. Having lived in both cities I look forward to the games ( seriously when the schedule comes out, the WS are the second team I look for after that team 206 miles to our southwest.)

Having come of age in the 60's, Chicago and Boston had a big rivalry in hockey. After Montreal, it was the Blackhawks that created the biggest buzz in my beloved Boston Garden. Bobby Hull was adored by the Boston fans, because every time the Hawks came to Boston, Hull would spend an hour after each game signing autographs in the waiting room of North Station which the Garden was on top of. The afternoon the Bruins won the Stanley Cup in 1970, Bobby Hull was doing color for CBS. At the start of the second period, Hull was going back to the broadcast booth which was actually the first row of the first balcony at the Garden. As he walked down the stairs the Garden gave him a standing ovation. We even shared the same scoreboard which was analog with green neon numbers.

BTW Blackhawk fans will always be beloved for this moment in 1991

http://www.chicagoblackhawks.com/photos/1991anthem.jpg

http://www.chicagoblackhawks.com/multimedia/index.cfm?cont_id=172170

(I also had the perception that Sox fans were also Hawks fans, because I saw very few northsiders at The Stadium for hockey)

As a child I always looked forward to televised games from Comiskey. Maybe it was because of the exploding scoreboard or the open windows behind left field. We in Boston always heard about the wonderful Edgewater Beach Hotel which Curt Gowdy would describe as the most beautiful hotel in the country. We only found out later that it was partly owned by one Tom Yawkey, the Red Sox owner.

http://www.wttw.com/chicagostories/images/edgewatercard.jpg

http://www.wttw.com/chicagostories/edgewater.html

When the White Sox won the pennant in 1959 I was so happy that finally somebody besides the Yankees would be the American League team. Of course Sports Illustrated had to screw it up by putting the White Sox on the cover.


http://i.cnn.net/si/si_online/covers/images/1959/0928_large.jpg

The White Sox were doomed.

Then came 1967.

It was the greatest pennant race in history and Red Sox fans couldn't believe we were in the hunt. One of the most memorable games of that season was played at Comiskey. We watched as Jose Tartabull (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Ptartj101.htm) gunned down Ken Berry at the plate in the 9th inning for the final out. That was the day Boston first thought 'my gawd we can win this thing'

WHITE SOX 9TH: Berry doubled to left; Alomar out on a sacrifice
bunt (first to second) [Berry to third]; JOSEPHSON BATTED FOR
WILHELM; WYATT REPLACED BELL (PITCHING); Josephson flied into a
double play (right to right to catcher) [Berry out at home]; 0
R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Red Sox 4, White Sox 3.

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B08271CHA1967.htm

A month later we were certain Chicago had won the pennant. The red Sox had blown 2 games to Cleveland, and the White Sox had to play lame duck Kansas City and the 'first in war, first in peace, but last in the American League' Senators. The Red Sox radio station brought in the White Sox radiocast from Kansas City and ....

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/09271967.htm


2 years later while in college, I interned at a horse track. It was the most fun I have ever had working in my life because the owner was one William Veeck. We had fun... He wrote a book (Thirty Tons A Day)about those 2 years, and if you are a Veeck fan it is a must read.

Thirty Tons a Day: The Rough-Riding Education of a Neophyte Racetrack Operator
by Bill Veeck (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Veeck%2C%252520Bill/104-8496717-9285539)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0670701572/qid=1093050756/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-8496717-9285539?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st10968.jpg

Suffolk Downs president Bill Veeck wields a sledgehammer during renovation of the clubhouse March 1969
One of my biggest regrets was not accepting his job offer in 1976 to work with the White Sox. What a fool I was.

But in 1978 I was his guest at Opening Day @ Comiskey and watched the BoSox blow it in the 9th. Little did I know how that game would come back to haunt us 161 games later.
BOS A (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TBOS01978.htm) 0 0 2 0 0 2 0 1 0 - 5 10 1
CHI A (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TCHA01978.htm) 0 0 0 2 1 1 0 0 2 - 6 15 3

My next visit to Comiskey would come 3 years later on a Good Friday afternoon. Over 30,000 were there as my Sox won behind Dennis Eckersley.

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04170CHA1981.htm (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04170CHA1981.htm)


However a week earlier I was @ Fenway for Opening Day when your new catcher hit a home run and got a standing ovation from the Fenway fans.

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04100BOS1981.htm (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04100BOS1981.htm)


WHITE SOX 8TH: MOLINARO BATTED FOR ALMON; Molinaro walked;LeFlore singled to center [Molinaro to second]; STANLEY REPLACEDECKERSLEY (PITCHING); Squires made an out to pitcher [Molinaroto third, LeFlore to second]; Fisk homered [Molinaro scored,LeFlore scored]; Luzinski struck out; Lemon was hit by a pitch;Lemon stole second; Baines struck out; 3 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. White Sox 3, Red Sox 2.

For the next decade all Red Sox/White Sox games meant something. Ironic in the end how White Sox ownership treated him worse than Haywood and Buddy. He wears a B in Cooperstown but still lives in Chicago. Sadly the last ‘important’ games between our 2 teams came at the end of the 1990 season. Because of another work stoppage in April, our opening series with the White Sox were tacked on the end. The Red Sox were in a desperate battle with the Blue Jays for the AL East flag and the White Sox were emotionally wrecked after closing Comiskey on September 30th. They could have mailed it in but Jeff Torborg managed those games like the White Sox were still in the hunt. Let us enjoy this series, but please don’t insult Red Sox fans as being like Cub fans. As I said in another post I quickly learned the difference when I moved to Chicago. Say an umpire blew a call, a Cub fan would sigh “Oh Well” and have another brew. A White Sox fan would scream “What the ****?” and then have another brew. I can tell you from my heart that when I was at Comiskey I felt like I was at Fenway. At Wrigley I felt like I was in Cleveland.

Nuf Ced

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Fenway
08-21-2004, 02:52 PM
found another great pic of Bill from his Boston days

http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/STMedium/tm_st10062.jpg

December 1968 photo published in Boston Herald on December 29, 1968.

LongLiveFisk
08-21-2004, 03:35 PM
Great stuff, Fenway...thanks!

And for what it's worth, I don't really liken Red Sox fans to Cubs fans, though I know many White Sox fans here do. I know a lot of media hype is created about some "dream world series" between the Cubs and Red Sox, which I will admit does get annoying. (Personally, ANY WS involving the Cubs is nothing short of a nightmare for anyone around here..lol) I've been to Fenway Park and actually spoke to a lot of Red Sox fans and these people are knowledgeable about baseball. They actually know what inning it is and who is on their team. Not to mention, the Red Sox play competitive baseball pretty much every year. This whole Cubs-being-good thing is seen about as often as Halley's Comet. I think I heard that they haven't had back-to-back winning seasons in like 30 years! (And by the way, Halley's Comet has been seen TWICE since the Cubs last won the WS. For those who aren't aware, it comes around once every 75 years. It was seen in 1910 and last in 1985).

But I digress...thanks for the info. :cool:

skobabe8
08-21-2004, 05:34 PM
Great post, Fenway! I wasnt aware of the history between us.