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Erik The Red
08-19-2004, 02:01 AM
I've seen 2 similar 1950s Sox hats, one the familiar white w/ red trim, and another with solid grey lettering in the same style. Were these worn at the same time, like was one a road cap?

Also, what year did the Sox start to wear the Go-Go style 1959 cap?

Nellie_Fox
08-19-2004, 02:20 AM
Just go to the uniform guide here on WSI http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=3&id=2104 and you'll find that the block letter diagonal SOX logo on the cap was instituted in 1950. They did away with the red trim at the same time that they changed (virtually undetectably) from black to navy blue in 1964.

Erik The Red
08-19-2004, 10:03 AM
D'oh! I did read through that guide, but I must have glanced over that paragraph. Thanks.

What about the two cap styles?

eriqjaffe
08-19-2004, 11:18 AM
What about the two cap styles? The Sox started with the Go-Go era caps in 1951. In 1950, they wore these:

http://www.ballcap.com/ballpix/hats/CHIA49.GIF

The Baseball Hall of Fame maintains an online database (http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/database.htm) of uniform styles. Very handy reference.

Lip Man 1
08-19-2004, 01:06 PM
The Baseball Hall Of Fame database is taken directly from Marc Okkonen's book 'Baseball Uniform's Of The 20th Century.'


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HITMEN OF 77
08-19-2004, 01:09 PM
D'oh! I did read through that guide, but I must have glanced over that paragraph. Thanks.

What about the two cap styles?
To my knowledge they never wore 2 diferent caps. All my game worn items from that period have the white with red outline on the hats. What's the make on the odd style one?

Erik The Red
08-19-2004, 02:15 PM
Here, found an example of the other cap:

http://a1708.g.akamai.net/7/1708/110/1092154267/images.fanbuzz.com/images/thumbs/250x250/mlb-coopcap-031.jpg

I've seen this one advertised as a 1959 cap, from the Cooperstown Collection. Are they just quoting the wrong year on this, or was it worn at the same time, for example as a road cap?

TornLabrum
08-19-2004, 03:16 PM
Here, found an example of the other cap:

http://a1708.g.akamai.net/7/1708/110/1092154267/images.fanbuzz.com/images/thumbs/250x250/mlb-coopcap-031.jpg

I've seen this one advertised as a 1959 cap, from the Cooperstown Collection. Are they just quoting the wrong year on this, or was it worn at the same time, for example as a road cap?
The '59 cap had the red trim. I'm not sure what year, but around '61 or '62, the trim was removed.

Erik The Red
08-19-2004, 03:25 PM
Cool. So that would put that cap in use from then until '68 when they went to the blue caps, I'm guessing.

batmanZoSo
08-19-2004, 03:29 PM
Here, found an example of the other cap:

http://a1708.g.akamai.net/7/1708/110/1092154267/images.fanbuzz.com/images/thumbs/250x250/mlb-coopcap-031.jpg

I've seen this one advertised as a 1959 cap, from the Cooperstown Collection. Are they just quoting the wrong year on this, or was it worn at the same time, for example as a road cap?
That's not the 59 cap as said earlier it had red trim. And the lettering seemed to be more rounded than squared off like the above one.

HITMEN OF 77
08-19-2004, 05:52 PM
That second hat was a variant of the 1959 hat and was never worn. The red trim was dropped in 1964. From 1964-1967 the hat was a dark navy blue with a bolder style SOX, but the same design as the go-go caps. 1968-1970 they wore the blue hats and 1971 switched to the red.

Erik The Red
08-20-2004, 10:04 AM
That second hat was a variant of the 1959 hat and was never worn. The red trim was dropped in 1964. From 1964-1967 the hat was a dark navy blue with a bolder style SOX, but the same design as the go-go caps. 1968-1970 they wore the blue hats and 1971 switched to the red. Thanks, that's what I wanted to know.

PaleHoseGeorge
08-20-2004, 11:26 AM
Read the WSI uniform guide carefully.

The Old English "Sox" logo debuted on the uniform in 1949. The block-lettered "S-O-X" cap didn't debut until 1950. All of the 50's era caps were black with the block-lettered logo trimmed in red. It remained this way through 1963.

In 1964 the navy blue uniforms debuted, including a matching navy blue cap with *no* red trim. Those caps were used through 1968. The Old English "Sox" caps debuted in 1969 to match the new royal blue uniforms, the ones with the blue stirrups and button pallette piping and no pinstripes.

I think the confusion is created because some people have a hard time telling the difference between the color navy blue and the color black. Believe me, side by side you can't miss the difference. As for authenticity, there are plenty of silly caps out there that simply never existed for any team. They are FASHION STATEMENTS. Buyer beware!

:cool:

TornLabrum
08-20-2004, 08:01 PM
Read the WSI uniform guide carefully.

The Old English "Sox" logo debuted on the uniform in 1949. The block-lettered "S-O-X" cap didn't debut until 1950. All of the 50's era caps were black with the block-lettered logo trimmed in red. It remained this way through 1963.

In 1964 the navy blue uniforms debuted, including a matching navy blue cap with *no* red trim. Those caps were used through 1968. The Old English "Sox" caps debuted in 1969 to match the new royal blue uniforms, the ones with the blue stirrups and button pallette piping and no pinstripes.

I think the confusion is created because some people have a hard time telling the difference between the color navy blue and the color black. Believe me, side by side you can't miss the difference. As for authenticity, there are plenty of silly caps out there that simply never existed for any team. They are FASHION STATEMENTS. Buyer beware!

:cool:
Slight correction on the '69 uniform. The socks were blue and the stirrups were white with blue stripes.

Nellie_Fox
08-21-2004, 12:56 AM
I think the confusion is created because some people have a hard time telling the difference between the color navy blue and the color black. Believe me, side by side you can't miss the difference. You're right, side by side the difference is obvious, but I can tell you that my friends and I who were Sox fans at the time didn't notice the change when it happened. Some of that was because we all still had black & white TV's, but even when I went to the ballpark all I noticed was that the red had disappeared. From the seats it's really hard to notice the difference between black and navy blue.

I remember in 1967, a Cub fan friend and I were arguing the relative merits of the teams at his girlfriends house (imagine anyone trying to argue that the Cubs were better than the Sox in '67.) He asked his girlfriend's mother "look at the uniforms, which do you like better, blue and white or black and white?" This was in the fourth season after the change to navy blue, and we all still thought the Sox wore black.

By the way, the mother answered that she thought black and white was much more elegant. I think she just didn't like him and was trying to get under his skin. She was an excellent judge of character.

Erik The Red
08-21-2004, 03:59 PM
I think the confusion is created because some people have a hard time telling the difference between the color navy blue and the color black. Yeah, think you hit the nail on the head. It looks black on my laptop screen, but I was looking at this thread at work and it does look more navy on that monitor. Weird.