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Lip Man 1
08-10-2004, 10:31 PM
From White Sox.com:

Notes: Surgery for Schoeneweis
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/trans.gifhttp://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/trans.gifhttp://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/trans.gifCHICAGO -- Despite surgery scheduled on his pitching elbow for either Friday or early next week, Scott Schoeneweis hopes to take to the mound again in about one month.

His goal is to help the White Sox win the American League Central. But with the left-hander becoming a free agent after the 2004 season, it also will be a time to showcase himself as a competent and healthy starting pitcher.

"My intentions are to be around with the intentions of coming back at the end of the year and doing exactly that," Schoeneweis said. "Injuries happen and the last thing you want to have as an athlete is surgery.

"I've done everything I can to avoid having surgery. It's to the point where it's not good for me or the team to prolong it any further."

Schoeneweis has been pitching with pain since his first trip to the disabled list from June 25th to July 8, in which Schoeneweis was listed as having inflammation in his left elbow. He was placed on the disabled list with the same problem prior to last Friday's series opener against Cleveland.

He has "spurs and chips and junk" in his elbow that will require surgery, which will also take place in Los Angeles.

"The plan is, depending on how the surgery goes and exactly the severity of it, it's a scope and I can be back in four weeks," Schoeneweis said. "That will enable me to try and salvage the rest of the season and help the team in whatever capacity I can give. "

Lip

South Side
08-10-2004, 10:34 PM
Uhhh, Scott? We don't want you...

MRKARNO
08-10-2004, 10:37 PM
Maybe he can come back in a month pain free and help us down the stretch. He was doing pretty well until right before he went on the DL so hopefully that was just the problem all along. I dont know how much more of Felix Diaz I can take, especially with us needing him every 5th day

Soxzilla
08-10-2004, 10:38 PM
Uhhh, Scott? We don't want you...
With the way he pitched in the beginning of the season im not exactly sure how you can say that.

If the reason his past starts have been so poor is because of this elbow, and this surgery helps it. I hope he can come back.

Granted you can bring up his attitude, but seriously, when is a little attitude a bad thing? I think a little attitude in judy garland could help him out.:rolleyes:

DrummerGeorgefan
08-10-2004, 10:40 PM
Goodbye Shoe---we hardly knew ye. As said before, you can't polish a turd. Shoe will be on a AAA roster to start the 2005 season.

South Side
08-10-2004, 10:49 PM
With the way he pitched in the beginning of the season im not exactly sure how you can say that.

If the reason his past starts have been so poor is because of this elbow, and this surgery helps it. I hope he can come back.

Granted you can bring up his attitude, but seriously, when is a little attitude a bad thing? I think a little attitude in judy garland could help him out.:rolleyes:
I hope that the only reason he sucked so bad was b/c of his elbow problem... I'd welcome him back but if not... see ya later Scotty.

I_Liked_Manuel
08-10-2004, 11:34 PM
i really dont understand the hate from some sox fans towards schoe. it seems as if some expected him to be a solid number 3 starter. i've got news for some of you, he's one of the best #5 starters in baseball. we're going to miss him.

gobears1987
08-10-2004, 11:56 PM
think about it, he had an awesom 1st 2 months, but ever since his 1st DL stint and a few weeks before it he had problems. I believe his pitching problems were a result of injury.

Scott may have been injured longer than we knew, many pitchers fear they will lose their job if injured and cover up injuries, that's what Flub Joe Borowski did. We know Scott doesn't want to give up his job

Huisj
08-11-2004, 09:13 AM
by saying he wants to help the team win, what would he do if the sox put him in the pen where he can contribute?

Gimm
08-11-2004, 09:28 AM
This is soooo White Sox, it's not even funny.

Ok, he had two very good months. Great, we needed that. But then he says/implies that he had pain for a few months now, with stuff and control clearly not the same....and that White Sox knew about it, even placing him on DL when the pain got unbearable.

This guy went 3-8 with 7.20 ERA since his hot start. ***?! With Loaiza desintegrating as well, and with the offense already starting to fall apart even before Garcia was acquired.....why was Shoeneweiss allowed to take the mound every 5th day in the last 6 weeks? Did they learn anything from Parque in '02 and Wright in '03? Anything at all?

But it gets better - even injured Schoeneweis was still getting lefties out ok. Meanwhile, our lefty specialist Neal Cotts was absolutely horrid against them in the last couple of months, which contributed to a few losses....When Schoeneweis's arm could no longer take the abuse as a starter, and knowing how much better he is as a lefty specialist (more velocity and sharper control as a reliever), WHY WASN'T HE PROMPTLY TAKEN OUT OF THE ROTATION AND PUT IN COTTS' ROLE, with the latter going back to AAA where he could hone his craft as a starter in peace?

Then go out and get a 5th starter who could give you a 4.50-4.70 ERA and you're set - both the rotation AND the bullpen are better.

All it takes is competence and intuition on GM's part to recognize these things, and a few extra Mill spent (on said 5th starter around mid-late June) by the owner.....and Sox easily have 3 more wins right now.

I am not even going to go into how many more wins we could have had if the Wright/Porzio/Cotts experiment was nipped in the bud and a quality 5th starter was acquired around late May/early June in 2003 when it was apparent Wright's arm was seriously ****ed up. Sox'd be in postseason for sure. Maybe even WS champs, who is to say. The payroll was never higher than 52 Mill in '03, so I don't want to hear how they couldn't afford a good friggin' 5th starter for 2/3rds of the season!

What a F'd up organization.


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ode to veeck
08-11-2004, 09:38 AM
I would love to have the Shoe we saw early in the season back as a starter, and I'll reiterate the hope (the eternal Sox optomist of course) that his more recent mound problems were due to injury

Tekijawa
08-11-2004, 09:46 AM
Maybe we'll get luck and they'll do the surgery on the wrong arm, and not figure it out for a month and then have to re-do the surgery on the correct elbo causing him to miss the rest of the season with no possibility of returning...

JDP
08-11-2004, 10:50 AM
Word on the underground is that Schoeney is going to have an experimental procedure, implanting a chip into his cranium. This chip, the Pitching101 model, will imbed the actual ability to pitch directly into his cerebral cortex without the time consuming process of practice and coaching.

We'll have to see how this goes.

thepaulbowski
08-11-2004, 10:59 AM
This is soooo White Sox, it's not even funny.

Ok, he had two very good months. Great, we needed that. But then he says/implies that he had pain for a few months now, with stuff and control clearly not the same....and that White Sox knew about it, even placing him on DL when the pain got unbearable.

This guy went 3-8 with 7.20 ERA since his hot start. ***?! With Loaiza desintegrating as well, and with the offense already starting to fall apart even before Garcia was acquired.....why was Shoeneweiss allowed to take the mound every 5th day in the last 6 weeks? Did they learn anything from Parque in '02 and Wright in '03? Anything at all?

But it gets better - even injured Schoeneweis was still getting lefties out ok. Meanwhile, our lefty specialist Neal Cotts was absolutely horrid against them in the last couple of months, which contributed to a few losses....When Schoeneweis's arm could no longer take the abuse as a starter, and knowing how much better he is as a lefty specialist (more velocity and sharper control as a reliever), WHY WASN'T HE PROMPTLY TAKEN OUT OF THE ROTATION AND PUT IN COTTS' ROLE, with the latter going back to AAA where he could hone his craft as a starter in peace?

Then go out and get a 5th starter who could give you a 4.50-4.70 ERA and you're set - both the rotation AND the bullpen are better.

All it takes is competence and intuition on GM's part to recognize these things, and a few extra Mill spent (on said 5th starter around mid-late June) by the owner.....and Sox easily have 3 more wins right now.

I am not even going to go into how many more wins we could have had if the Wright/Porzio/Cotts experiment was nipped in the bud and a quality 5th starter was acquired around late May/early June in 2003 when it was apparent Wright's arm was seriously ****ed up. Sox'd be in postseason for sure. Maybe even WS champs, who is to say. The payroll was never higher than 52 Mill in '03, so I don't want to hear how they couldn't afford a good friggin' 5th starter for 2/3rds of the season!

What a F'd up organization.


....
:whatever:

Gimm
08-11-2004, 11:19 AM
:whatever::bandance:

Huisj
08-11-2004, 11:44 AM
This is soooo White Sox, it's not even funny.

WHY WASN'T HE PROMPTLY TAKEN OUT OF THE ROTATION AND PUT IN COTTS' ROLE, with the latter going back to AAA where he could hone his craft as a starter in peace?
scott would have sat in the corner and pouted if they sent him to the pen. they didn't want to hurt his feelings