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Fenway
07-31-2004, 02:31 PM
With 30 minutes to go WEEI is reporting that Nomar maybe headed to the South Side....Sean McAdam was just on and says that is the "buzz" in the clubhouse in Minneapolis

OEO Magglio
07-31-2004, 02:32 PM
With 30 minutes to go WEEI is reporting that Nomar maybe headed to the South Side....Sean McAdam was just on and says that is the "buzz" in the clubhouse in MinneapolisAre you sure they didnt' mess that up again and mean the northside?

Fenway
07-31-2004, 02:32 PM
Are you sure they didnt' mess that up again and mean the northside?No he stressed SOUTH SIDE

ChiWhiteSox1337
07-31-2004, 02:32 PM
that would be huge. jose sucks and a healthy nomar would be infinitely better.

WHarris13
07-31-2004, 02:34 PM
While it would be amazing.
I gurantee it doesn't happen.

OEO Magglio
07-31-2004, 02:34 PM
No he stressed SOUTH SIDEJust making sure fenway.:smile: Definitely interesting, any buzz on who we might give up?

Soxzilla
07-31-2004, 02:35 PM
NOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


:threadrules:

DickAllen72
07-31-2004, 02:36 PM
that would be huge. jose sucks and a healthy nomar would be infinitely better.

Up until now I had no interest in us getting Nomar, but at this point I'll jump at it if Jose is one of the players we give up and we don't give up too much talent in addition.

munchman33
07-31-2004, 02:36 PM
Please God let this be true!

npdempse
07-31-2004, 02:37 PM
How would that trade make ANY sense? Who would Boston play at short? Platoon 'Stache and the Pokester?

Actually, that sounds like a good buddy movie--Pokey and the Stache.

Fenway
07-31-2004, 02:37 PM
Just making sure fenway.:smile: Definitely interesting, any buzz on who we might give up?
McAdam says things changed an hour ago, he was earmarked for the Cubs and hat is what WEEI was going with until 3:20 PM then suddenly it became the White Sox...

ChiWhiteSox1337
07-31-2004, 02:38 PM
Up until now I had no interest in us getting Nomar, but at this point I'll jump at it if Jose is one of the players we give up and we don't give up too much talent in addition. i thought the white sox were hopeless unless they could acquire carlos beltran. i forgot all about nomar possibly being avaliable. i think nomar would be a hugggggggggggggggggggggggggge boost to the club offensively and defensively

oldcomiskey
07-31-2004, 02:38 PM
just how is Nomar infinatley better---he stinks outside of Fenway short walls---and what good is he gonna do for us next year--THINK PEOPLE THINK

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 02:38 PM
That doesn't really make sense. Boston wants to win this year. What major league players do we have that we can afford to trade? Jose and Loaiza? I doubt they'd have interest in that. Nomar to the Cubs for Clement and Gonzalez makes more sense.

DickAllen72
07-31-2004, 02:38 PM
WSCR has been reporting Cubs involved with Montreal and Boston in a three-way that would send Nomar to Cubs and Cabrera to Boston.

Could it be KW is blocking the Cubs from getting Nomar?????

Soxzilla
07-31-2004, 02:39 PM
just how is Nomar infinatley better---he stinks outside of Fenway short walls---and what good is he gonna do for us next year--THINK PEOPLE THINKNomar hits .333 on the road in 2004.

Check your stats.

EDIT - He is also .287 vs minnesota, and 14 of 37 lifetime against radke.

South Side
07-31-2004, 02:40 PM
You people are going to be so sad if this is not true... Don't get so excited. :(:

WHarris13
07-31-2004, 02:40 PM
Didn't Nomar just reinjure himself?

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 02:41 PM
If this gets Valentin outta' town, I'm all for it.

habibharu
07-31-2004, 02:41 PM
this is absolutely ridiculous! you people are crazy if you think that getting nomar would be beneficial! he wouldnt help us at all unless we could resign him, which is not gonna happen! i just hope to god that honel, sweeney, anderson, or Bmac are not in this deal!

Soxzilla
07-31-2004, 02:42 PM
You people are going to be so sad if this is not true... Don't get so excited. :(:
I'll be sad if no deals are done.

Contrary to popular belief, this season isn't over.

munchman33
07-31-2004, 02:42 PM
If this deal is true, it would have to be a three way, with us sending prospects to a third team and Valentin to Boston, and the third team sending a pitcher to Boston.

Any ideas who this team could be?

oldcomiskey
07-31-2004, 02:43 PM
why even bother--Nomar is bad overrated because he plays for Gammons

South Side
07-31-2004, 02:43 PM
this is absolutely ridiculous! you people are crazy if you think that getting nomar would be beneficial! he wouldnt help us at all unless we could resign him, which is not gonna happen! i just hope to god that honel, sweeney, anderson, or Bmac are not in this deal!

Ehhh, who cares? Let's trade em all, in fact lets just shut the whole thing down.

DickAllen72
07-31-2004, 02:44 PM
If this gets Valentin outta' town, I'm all for it.

Amen, bro!

Valentin & Loaiza for Nomar???

Fenway
07-31-2004, 02:45 PM
If Clement was coming to Boston, I doubt the Cubs would pitch him today and he went 7 innings against Philly

15 minutes to go.....

Win1ForMe
07-31-2004, 02:45 PM
this is absolutely ridiculous! you people are crazy if you think that getting nomar would be beneficial! he wouldnt help us at all unless we could resign him, which is not gonna happen! i just hope to god that honel, sweeney, anderson, or Bmac are not in this deal!
Unfortunately, I fear for Kenny's life if he makes the "wrong" move. The small, but vocal, anti-KW contingent will find something to moan about no doubt.

CWSGuy406
07-31-2004, 02:46 PM
FWIW, it's being reported (WSCR) that Loaiza is on the block. Offman said that he wouldn't be surprised if Loaiza is dealt.

habibharu
07-31-2004, 02:48 PM
FWIW, it's being reported (WSCR) that Loaiza is on the block. Offman said that he wouldn't be surprised if Loaiza is dealt. WOW! if KW deals him, i might just have to give him some props for the 1st time in a loooooong time!

DickAllen72
07-31-2004, 02:48 PM
FWIW, it's being reported (WSCR) that Loaiza is on the block. Offman said that he wouldn't be surprised if Loaiza is dealt.

I'm not a fan of Nomar, but Loaiza and Valentin for Nomar would have me dancing!

StepsInSC
07-31-2004, 02:48 PM
FWIW, it's being reported (WSCR) that Loaiza is on the block. Offman said that he wouldn't be surprised if Loaiza is dealt.
I hope he is. Last year was a total fluke. He's a #4 now, at best. Although who the hell replaces him?

South Side
07-31-2004, 02:48 PM
I don't see the sense in dealing Loiaza...

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 02:48 PM
Wow...nothing like a little excitement at the 11th hour, huh?

ChiWhiteSox1337
07-31-2004, 02:49 PM
I hope he is. Last year was a total fluke. He's a #4 now, at best. Although who the hell replaces him? i would guess felix diaz unless kw acquires another pitcher in the next 10 minutes. felix diaz definitely showed some potential in the majors this season

munchman33
07-31-2004, 02:50 PM
FWIW, it's being reported (WSCR) that Loaiza is on the block. Offman said that he wouldn't be surprised if Loaiza is dealt.
If it ends up being Loaiza and Valentin for Nomar, who would fill his spot in the rotation?

Soxzilla
07-31-2004, 02:51 PM
What come on now. Throw lowe in there.

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 02:52 PM
If it ends up being Loaiza and Valentin for Nomar, who would fill his spot in the rotation?
Randy Johnson

oldcomiskey
07-31-2004, 02:52 PM
Nomar hits .333 on the road in 2004.

Check your stats.

EDIT - He is also .287 vs minnesota, and 14 of 37 lifetime against radke.
He must have just started that or I was fed the wrong info---but still this trade will make us worse---youll see

samram
07-31-2004, 02:53 PM
What come on now. Throw lowe in there.
Or work Montreal in, like the rumor with the Cubs had, and bring Armas Jr. to town.

We'll see if any of this comes true in the next half hour or so.

StepsInSC
07-31-2004, 02:53 PM
What come on now. Throw lowe in there.
Uh...hell no.

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 02:54 PM
How come all Red Sox message boards are discussing the Cubs/Red Sox trade. I haven't seen one post saying that WEEI reported the White Sox were after Nomar except for this one. They all say that McAdam reported the Cubs and BoSox are close to a deal. RSN, SoSH, I haven't seen one post mentioning the White Sox....

oldcomiskey
07-31-2004, 02:54 PM
I bet it is Loaiza who is going--maybe E-LO and Uribe which would be bad enough

soxwon
07-31-2004, 02:56 PM
5 mins to go no trade?

DickAllen72
07-31-2004, 02:57 PM
How come all Red Sox message boards are discussing the Cubs/Red Sox trade. I haven't seen one post saying that WEEI reported the White Sox were after Nomar except for this one. They all say that McAdam reported the Cubs and BoSox are close to a deal. RSN, SoSH, I haven't seen one post mentioning the White Sox....

Are we being fed a bunch of BS?????

CWSGuy406
07-31-2004, 02:57 PM
5 mins to go no trade?
Most times, the trade is announced after the deadline. We won't know if a trade has been made yet, IMHO, for a couple of hours.

samram
07-31-2004, 02:57 PM
How come all Red Sox message boards are discussing the Cubs/Red Sox trade. I haven't seen one post saying that WEEI reported the White Sox were after Nomar except for this one. They all say that McAdam reported the Cubs and BoSox are close to a deal. RSN, SoSH, I haven't seen one post mentioning the White Sox....
It is odd that so many of us have kind of bought this, even though the person posting the rumor lives in a different city and said he heard it on a station none of us can hear.

It is fun though, and shows how desperate we are.:D:

habibharu
07-31-2004, 02:58 PM
Fenway, got an update?

Fenway
07-31-2004, 02:58 PM
McAdam changed gears at 3:20

look would the Cubs pitch Clement if they knew they were going to move him? They not THAT stupid ( oh wait they hired Grady)

How come all Red Sox message boards are discussing the Cubs/Red Sox trade. I haven't seen one post saying that WEEI reported the White Sox were after Nomar except for this one. They all say that McAdam reported the Cubs and BoSox are close to a deal. RSN, SoSH, I haven't seen one post mentioning the White Sox....

samram
07-31-2004, 02:59 PM
Most times, the trade is announced after the deadline. We won't know if a trade has been made yet, IMHO, for a couple of hours.
What is the rule on that? If they have something going, can they get an extension, or does the paperwork have to be done and filed by the deadline? Because time is just about up.

Soxzilla
07-31-2004, 02:59 PM
Is nomar in the lineup fenway? Anyone out that normally wouldnt be?

samram
07-31-2004, 03:00 PM
McAdam changed gears at 3:20

look would the Cubs pitch Clement if they knew they were going to move him? They not THAT stupid ( oh wait they hired Grady)
Good point (on Clement and Grady).:D:

Fenway
07-31-2004, 03:01 PM
Are we being fed a bunch of BS?????
no McAdam switched gears at about 3:20 and then said he was going back to the clubhouse

well its 4 PM we will know soon enough

DickAllen72
07-31-2004, 03:01 PM
McAdam changed gears at 3:20

look would the Cubs pitch Clement if they knew they were going to move him? They not THAT stupid ( oh wait they hired Grady)

WSCR started one of their Cub game updates with "well if this was indeed Clement's last start as a Cub, it was a good one..."

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:02 PM
McAdam changed gears at 3:20

look would the Cubs pitch Clement if they knew they were going to move him? They not THAT stupid ( oh wait they hired Grady)
No, because they didn't know that they would trade him when the game started. They may have been talking about the trade the whole time. In the position the Cubs are in, they can't afford to throw away a game because they might trade someone.

munchman33
07-31-2004, 03:04 PM
No, because they didn't know that they would trade him when the game started. They may have been talking about the trade the whole time. In the position the Cubs are in, they can't afford to throw away a game because they might trade someone.
At the same time, they can't throw a season changing trade away because they wanted to get one more start out of a guy and risk injury. If they were really going to make this trade, it would have happened before the game started.

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:04 PM
forget it

ChiWhiteSox1337
07-31-2004, 03:04 PM
WSCR just said that the white sox were working on a trade with the yankees involving Loaiza and SS but they didn't mention what yankee player would be sent to us.

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:04 PM
For what it's worth, WSCR says that sources told them the Sox were working on a trade with the Yankees that could involve Esteban Loaiza and Scott Schoenewis. If that's true, my guess is we'd be getting Contreras in return. Just a guess though.

DickAllen72
07-31-2004, 03:05 PM
Just reported on WSCR, Sox were trying to deal both to Yankees. No word on for whom or if deal was in fact completed. Will know in an hour or so if it was done before the deadline.

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 03:05 PM
Well times up....Lets hope something got done

SoxxoS
07-31-2004, 03:05 PM
Bring it.

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:05 PM
Most times, the trade is announced after the deadline. We won't know if a trade has been made yet, IMHO, for a couple of hours.
Another thing to note is that we have 3 games currently going on. Any trades involving those teams may not be announced until after the game.

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:06 PM
Finley to Dodgers per Rosenthal.

samram
07-31-2004, 03:07 PM
For what it's worth, WSCR says that sources told them the Sox were working on a trade with the Yankees that could involve Esteban Loaiza and Scott Schoenewis. If that's true, my guess is we'd be getting Contreras in return. Just a guess though.
Wouldn't surprise me. Loaiza seems to be a Torre favorite, and Contreras seems to be a KW favorite.

Who knows?:redneck

SoxxoS
07-31-2004, 03:07 PM
Contreras has excellent stuff, he just needs to harness it. Loiaza is throwing crap up there, and has been since the start of the season. Bring this trade on.

habibharu
07-31-2004, 03:08 PM
Contreras has excellent stuff, he just needs to harness it. Loiaza is throwing crap up there, and has been since the start of the season. Bring this trade on. fine, as long as it doenst involve any prospects and the yanks pay some of joses salary

DickAllen72
07-31-2004, 03:09 PM
Contreras has excellent stuff, he just needs to harness it. Loiaza is throwing crap up there, and has been since the start of the season. Bring this trade on.

Who said anything about Contreras? Have you heard anything?

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:09 PM
Getting Jorge Posada would be nice, if he is in this would-be deal.

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:10 PM
A couple of trades here.

Braves acquired pitcher Tom Martin and cash considerations from the Los Angeles Dodgers for pitcher Matt Merricks

The Marlins acquired RHP Ismael Valdez from the San Diego Padres for RHP Travis Chick.

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 03:10 PM
does this trade, as stated, really help us that much?? :?:

ChiWhiteSox1337
07-31-2004, 03:10 PM
Contreras has excellent stuff, he just needs to harness it. Loiaza is throwing crap up there, and has been since the start of the season. Bring this trade on. i agee. if the yankees pick up his contract i'd love to have him around for the next few years as he's been absolutely dominate in previous outings.

Win1ForMe
07-31-2004, 03:10 PM
It is fun though, and shows how desperate we are.:D:
Yeah, I haven't moved from my computer for the last 40 minutes.

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 03:12 PM
does contreras help us much more that loaiza and schoey did?? i dont think so.

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:12 PM
Getting Jorge Posada would be nice, if he is in this would-be deal.
Didn't the Dbacks want Posada for Johnson but the yanks wouldn't bite....Why would they do it for Loaiza?

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 03:13 PM
does this trade, as stated, really help us that much?? :?:
It may not help a ton, but I really dont see how anything could hurt us at this point. We are at rock bottom right now

munchman33
07-31-2004, 03:13 PM
does contreras help us much more that loaiza and schoey did?? i dont think so.
I do...Loaiza looks done. Schoey really isn't that good. Contreras has a good chance to be good.

WHarris13
07-31-2004, 03:13 PM
I think Gammons just said Contreras wouldn't waive no trade.

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:14 PM
does contreras help us much more that loaiza and schoey did?? i dont think so.
We don't know for sure that it is Contreras. That was simply a name I threw out there. Who knows who is involved for us if it went through.

The Cubs game just ended and the Cubs lost. I guess we'll find out now if the Nomar deal went down.

Also, Charles Johnson rejected a trade to the Dodgers. Makes them trading Lo Duca look worse. That and the fact that they didn't acquire the best pitcher available who they were going after.

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 03:16 PM
It may not help a ton, but I really dont see how anything could hurt us at this point. We are at rock bottom right now
I just dont think trading 2 SP for 1 SP is addressing our problems. We need some hitting.

CWSGuy406
07-31-2004, 03:17 PM
Damn - Gammons is reporting Contreras wouldn't waive his no-trade clause. I would have really enjoyed seeing him every fifth day rather than Loaiza...

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:17 PM
FWIW Gammons just said that Nomar is staying...

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:17 PM
Wouldn't it be wise of ESPN television to have a BBTN post-trade deadline special on right now? There is a national program on ESPN 1000, and the Score is talking about rumored deals.

munchman33
07-31-2004, 03:18 PM
I just dont think trading 2 SP for 1 SP is addressing our problems. We need some hitting.
Unless the move isn't for this year. Both E-LO and Schoey probably won't be here next year anyway. Contreras is under contract.

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:18 PM
Where is Gammons?

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:18 PM
Damn - Gammons is reporting Contreras wouldn't waive his no-trade clause. I would have really enjoyed seeing him every fifth day rather than Loaiza...
Where did he report this? And why the hell did Jose freaking Contreras have a no trade clause anyway? Did Gammons say what the trade was?

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 03:18 PM
Damn - Gammons is reporting Contreras wouldn't waive his no-trade clause. I would have really enjoyed seeing him every fifth day rather than Loaiza...
Contreras has a no trade clause? What has he done to earn that?

Mots09
07-31-2004, 03:19 PM
Do you think Charles Johnson would have come back if we would have offered him?

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:19 PM
Wouldn't it be wise of ESPN television to have a BBTN post-trade deadline special on right now? There is a national program on ESPN 1000, and the Score is talking about rumored deals.
They would rather invest more money into their ESPN2 "Cold Pizza" program.....

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:20 PM
Wouldn't it be wise of ESPN television to have a BBTN post-trade deadline special on right now? There is a national program on ESPN 1000, and the Score is talking about rumored deals.
You would think so. My guess is that they were worried that there wouldn't be much action before 3:00 and that they'd be just sitting there trying to waste time analyzing small trades.

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:20 PM
Yankee board said that the trade was Contreras and Proctor for Loaiza, but Contreras wouldn't waive his no-trade.....

Mots09
07-31-2004, 03:20 PM
Zalesko and Kevin Kennedy aren't giving any useful info..... Why does ESPN have horseracing and fishing on??

eerrrr

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 03:21 PM
So it looks like its the status quo. Oh well, just adds to this already great week of white sox baseball

OEO Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:21 PM
Yankee board said that the trade was Contreras and Proctor for Loaiza, but Contreras wouldn't waive his no-trade.....Damn Contreras, that would have been a good trade.:angry:

Mots09
07-31-2004, 03:21 PM
Such is life with White Sox baseball.....:gulp:

Mots09
07-31-2004, 03:22 PM
anymore word on Jose Cruz Jr?

CWSGuy406
07-31-2004, 03:22 PM
Hmm - this sucks, no one likes Chicago? Gammons just reported that Delgado, earlier this week, turned down a trade to us.. :(:

Mots09
07-31-2004, 03:23 PM
what channel is gammons on right now??

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:23 PM
Cubs | Team Almost Acquired Garciaparra, Lowe - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.kffl.com/)
Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:15:57 -0700 ESPNews reports the Chicago Cubs nearly landed a deal with the Boston Red Sox which would have brought Red Sox SS Nomar Garciaparra and SP Derek Lowe to Chicago in exchange for Montreal Expos SS Orlando Cabrera and Cubs SP Matt Clement heading to Boston. The Cubs would have sent prospects to Montreal.

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:23 PM
Hmm - this sucks, no one likes Chicago? Gammons just reported that Delgado, earlier this week, turned down a trade to us.. :(:
Where are you hearing this? ESPNews? He isn't on ESPN Radio on either TV station.

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 03:23 PM
Unless the move isn't for this year. Both E-LO and Schoey probably won't be here next year anyway. Contreras is under contract.
I agree for next year. I would rather have Contreras in the rotation for '05 than E-lo. I just dont think it helps us RIGHT NOW.

ChiWhiteSox1337
07-31-2004, 03:23 PM
what channel is gammons on right now?? ESPNews

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:24 PM
If you were Contreras, would you wave your no-trade clause to leave the Yankees for the White Sox? Yes, he would have been nice to have, but look at it from his perspective.

CWSGuy406
07-31-2004, 03:24 PM
Where are you hearing this? ESPNews? He isn't on ESPN Radio on either TV station.
ESPN News. He was talking about the Yankees and their first base situation, and he snipped in 'Delgado turned down a trade to the White Sox.'

Mots09
07-31-2004, 03:24 PM
:angry: no espnews

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:24 PM
If you were Contreras, would you wave your no-trade clause to leave the Yankees for the White Sox? Yes, he would have been nice to have, but look at it from his perspective.
Well when a team doesn't want you around anymore he should have considered it...

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 03:25 PM
Hmm - this sucks, no one likes Chicago? Gammons just reported that Delgado, earlier this week, turned down a trade to us.. :(:
Bleep delagado..

CWSGuy406
07-31-2004, 03:25 PM
Gammons is also reporting the Loaiza/Contreras deal isn't dead. Just, FWIW.

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 03:25 PM
ESPN News. He was talking about the Yankees and their first base situation, and he snipped in 'Delgado turned down a trade to the White Sox.'
Who was involved in that deal?????

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:26 PM
Steve Finley going to LA; Randy Johnson staying in Arizona.

munchman33
07-31-2004, 03:26 PM
ESPN News. He was talking about the Yankees and their first base situation, and he snipped in 'Delgado turned down a trade to the White Sox.'
Yet another reason to hate that scumbag Delgado.

Mots09
07-31-2004, 03:26 PM
Please KW keep bardering come on big boy. Bring him to Chicago

OEO Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:26 PM
Gammons is also reporting the Loaiza/Contreras deal isn't dead. Just, FWIW.PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, HAPPEN.

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:26 PM
Gammons is also reporting the Loaiza/Contreras deal isn't dead. Just, FWIW.
Isn't dead 26 minutes after the deadline?

Mots09
07-31-2004, 03:27 PM
Erickson to Rangers

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:27 PM
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, HAPPEN.
You know good things don't happen to the Sox....

Mots09
07-31-2004, 03:28 PM
So Contreas and prospect for E-lo and Schoe?

ChiWhiteSox1337
07-31-2004, 03:29 PM
Sources tell WSCR Loaiza to Yankees for Contreas. He's waived his clause

Champs2004
07-31-2004, 03:29 PM
According to Gammons and the Score, the Yankees are asking Jose Contreras to waive his no-trade clause to come to the Sox where he, along with Scott Proctor would be traded for E-Lo

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 03:29 PM
Anyone have the 4-1-1 on this Proctor character?

munchman33
07-31-2004, 03:29 PM
So Contreas and prospect for E-lo and Schoe?
Kenny Williams making a deal in which he gets a prospect! That can't be right.

CWSGuy406
07-31-2004, 03:29 PM
Isn't dead 26 minutes after the deadline?
Gammons basically said that teams can tell the league office that they are getting ahold of the players - basically a way of getting around the deadline.

Don't shoot the messenger, this is from Gammons.

Also, for whoever asked about what the whole Delgado deal was going to be (who's involved), he just mentioned that Delgado declined a trade to the southside.

Mots09
07-31-2004, 03:29 PM
YOU SERIOUS!!!!:dtroll:

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:29 PM
Jesse Rogers talking about Loaiza/Contreras...

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 03:29 PM
The yankees are playing now right? Nothing can be announced till they are done. But I dont think its gonna go down. I understand not wanting to jump onto the titanic as its going down

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:29 PM
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, HAPPEN.
Funny how all the yankee boards are pissed that Contreras said no....seems like they thought this was a really good trade....

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 03:30 PM
Sources tell WSCR Loaiza to Yankees for Contreas. He's waived his clause
Loaiza for Contreas straight up? Couldnt hurt.

Mots09
07-31-2004, 03:30 PM
Jesse Rodgers needs to stick to hockey

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 03:31 PM
If this is true, its a good deal. Proctor is in the yankee pen last i saw and hes got some good stuff

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 03:32 PM
They would rather invest more money into their ESPN2 "Cold Pizza" program.....
But Thea Andrews is so hot!

munchman33
07-31-2004, 03:33 PM
Sources tell WSCR Loaiza to Yankees for Contreas. He's waived his clause
I hope that's true, because everyone else is saying its not.

CWSGuy406
07-31-2004, 03:33 PM
ESPN.com front page has Nomar going to the Cubs? Am I lost?

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:34 PM
Right now, I really wish I had ESPNews. Everything is being talked about there. Damn Comcast should give me it for free.

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 03:34 PM
Sorry if its been discussed, but whatever happened to all the Frank Cattalanano (i dont know how to spell that) talk?????? Contreras would be nicer for the future than E-lo, but the main concern right now is a bat or 2.

munchman33
07-31-2004, 03:35 PM
Now ESPN's baseball page is saying Nomar is a Cub. Great. :angry:

No link to a story though.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/index

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 03:35 PM
Right now, I really wish I had ESPNews. Everything is being talked about there. Damn Comcast should give me it for free.
I just changed the channel to ESPNews. I'll post whatever I learn from them.

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:36 PM
Where are we at with Jose Cruz Jr.?

oeo
07-31-2004, 03:36 PM
ESPN.com front page has Nomar going to the Cubs? Am I lost?
It says deals that may have went down, it doesn't say that he IS going to the Cubs.

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 03:36 PM
Crap. The cubs got nomar. Please dont let him resign with them

Palehose13
07-31-2004, 03:36 PM
Loaiza for Contreas straight up? Couldnt hurt.
Yup and Elo was probably gone after this year and Contreras won't be a FA until after the 2006 season. IMHO, Garcia, Buerhle, Contreras, Garland looks like a pretty solid rotation for the next 3 years.

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:37 PM
Nomar to Cubs in a 4-way deal...

Score saying that the sox get Contreras for Loaiza...

munchman33
07-31-2004, 03:37 PM
It says deals that may have went down, it doesn't say that he IS going to the Cubs.
Actually, it says

"Nomar Garciaparra is headed to the Cubs."

No speculation there.

CWSGuy406
07-31-2004, 03:37 PM
GAMMONS REPORTING ON ESPN RADIO, SOX TRADE LOAIZA for CASH and CONTRERAS!

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:38 PM
Kurkjian talking on ESPN Radio as if this deal is done. We have Contreras and Yankees have Loaiza. They are also saying there may not be a deal for Nomar. Gammons reportes Contreras and cash for Loaiza. Bruce Levine says the Cubs brass are huddling. Wow, a lot of stuff breaking here!

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:38 PM
Unfortunately for the Cubs (and fortunately for the free world), they have no games at Fenway Park where Nomar primarliy does his hitting.

samram
07-31-2004, 03:39 PM
ESPNradio.com (Ravech and Dibble) say Gammons reports that the deal went through, but I'll believe when it's announced. Also say Levine says the Cubs' brass is still discussing the Nomar deal.

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:39 PM
More on the 4way deal per Rosenthal...

Redsox get: clement, carbrera, Mientkiewicz

Cubs get: Nomar

Twins get: Derek Lowe

Expos get: Alex Gonzales, Prospects

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:40 PM
Kenny may be on ESPN Radio soon. They are going to talk to a few GMs and mentioned KW may be one of them.

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 03:40 PM
It's official. ESPNews reports that Esteban Loaiza has been traded to the Yankees for Jose Contreras. Also, ESPNews is trying to make the Sox look bad, saying that they "gave up their best pitcher." *** is this?

munchman33
07-31-2004, 03:40 PM
Twins get: Derek Lowe

Oh, God no.

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 03:41 PM
It has also been confirmed that Nomar is a Cub. Apparently, four teams were involved in the deal to send him to the North Side. More coming...

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:41 PM
It's official. ESPNews reports that Esteban Loaiza has been traded to the Yankees for Jose Contreras. Also, ESPNews is trying to make the Sox look bad, saying that they "gave up their best pitcher." *** is this?
Mark Buehrle and Freddy Garcia are still here. I wonder how much of Contreras' contract the Yankees picked up. Loaiza was a good guy, but I won't miss him. I'm excited to see if Contreras being out of the New York spotlight might turn him around.

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 03:42 PM
More on the 4way deal per Rosenthal...

Redsox get: clement, carbrera, Mientkiewicz

Cubs get: Nomar

Twins get: Derek Lowe

Expos get: Alex Gonzales, Prospects
Where is this info from? Todd Walker is talking on Fox like Nomar is a Cub.

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:42 PM
Oh, God no.
You took the words right off of my keyboard. Minnesota getting Lowe matches our getting Contreras.

The Wimperoo
07-31-2004, 03:42 PM
More on the 4way deal per Rosenthal...

Redsox get: clement, carbrera, Mientkiewicz

Cubs get: Nomar

Twins get: Derek Lowe

Expos get: Alex Gonzales, Prospects
I would have rather the Twins gotten Benson. Lowe will be a lot better once he gets out of Boston I think.

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:42 PM
Mark Buehrle and Freddy Garcia are still here. I wonder how much of Contreras' contract the Yankees picked up. Loaiza was a good guy, but I won't miss him. I'm excited to see if Contreras being out of the New York spotlight might turn him around.
If the skanks took on a lot of Contreras contract, this trade looks like a steal for us IMO.

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:43 PM
Score reported that Dusty Baker told Matt Clement "something," and Clement got very upset.

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 03:43 PM
Mark Buehrle and Freddy Garcia are still here. I wonder how much of Contreras' contract the Yankees picked up. Loaiza was a good guy, but I won't miss him. I'm excited to see if Contreras being out of the New York spotlight might turn him around.
I'm just dissapointed that ESPN continues to do whatever they can to make us look bad. It's one thing to say something if it's the truth. It's another thing entirely to start spewing out garbage.

I'm actually exicted about getting Contreras. Maybe he'll perform better in a more low-key environment.

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 03:43 PM
yankee fans seem excited. they obviously havent seen loaiza pitch this year

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 03:43 PM
Anyone have our splits against Lowe???

samram
07-31-2004, 03:44 PM
I would have rather the Twins gotten Benson. Lowe will be a lot better once he gets out of Boston I think.
Lowe is 9-9 with a 5.56 ERA. Maybe the Twins defense will help him out.

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 03:44 PM
I would have rather the Twins gotten Benson. Lowe will be a lot better once he gets out of Boston I think.damn why did the twins have to get involved....lowe was scheduled to pitch against them tonight

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:44 PM
Funny note here:

Lowe was expected to pitch tonight against the Twins...Now if he was traded to the twins, does he pitch against the Red Sox tonight?

princek
07-31-2004, 03:44 PM
confirmed on espnews Nomar to cubs.
this is a freaking nightmare!!!

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:44 PM
The thing about Lowe is that he's a ground ball pitcher going to a place where he'll be pitching home games on turf. They lose a little defense with Mientkiewicz leaving and now they have a guy heavily reliant on ground balls. Who knows, it could still work out for them but it will be interesting to see.

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 03:44 PM
yankee fans seem excited. they obviously havent seen loaiza pitch this year
Well, no one ever accused Yankees fans of being smart.

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 03:45 PM
Funny note here:

Lowe was expected to pitch tonight against the Twins...Now if he was traded to the twins, does he pitch against the Red Sox tonight?
Maybe. I wonder if Eye Chart will play for Boston tonight.

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:46 PM
The score making it sound like Nomar is 10X better than Arod...

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:46 PM
Score reports that Clement NOT part of deal with Nomar, but the cubs are getting Nomar...

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 03:47 PM
Is all this crap official? The twins only gave up mienkiewicz for lowe?

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:47 PM
Wellemeyer and Francis Beltran are rumored to be the players that the cubs gave up...

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 03:47 PM
The score making it sound like Nomar is 10X better than Arod...
Of course. Now that he's a Cub, Nomar can do anything he sets his mind, too. I would imagine that every Cubs fan on the planet is creaming himself right now.

Brian26
07-31-2004, 03:48 PM
The duechebag on the Score says the Cubs DID NOT have to send Clement away. They got Nomar for Beltran and some other rookie? You've got to be kidding.

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:48 PM
Score reports that Clement NOT part of deal with Nomar, but the cubs are getting Nomar...
How the hell did they possibly get Nomar without trading Clement? Could they have traded Zambrano? I doubt it. It's gotta be Clement.

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:48 PM
Garciaparra's numbers: .321, 5 HR, 21 RBI in 38 games.

At Fenway: .309, 3 HR, 16 RBI
On the Road: .333, 2 HR, 5 RBI
Vs. NL: ???

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 03:49 PM
Is he hurt right now? I was at the dome last night and gutierrez was playing SS

samram
07-31-2004, 03:49 PM
Of course. Now that he's a Cub, Nomar can do anything he sets his mind, too. I would imagine that every Cubs fan on the planet is creaming himself right now.
That'll be interesting- a guy who hasn't been great in the clubhouse going to a team with a lot of whiners.

Brian26
07-31-2004, 03:49 PM
Is this season turning into a nightmare for the Sox or what? :angry: I don't think my heart can take another playoff appearance by the Cubs.

ma-gaga
07-31-2004, 03:50 PM
Is all this crap official? The twins only gave up mienkiewicz for lowe?
Twins board says, Lohse and Mientkiewicz for Lowe.

samram
07-31-2004, 03:50 PM
The duechebag on the Score says the Cubs DID NOT have to send Clement away. They got Nomar for Beltran and some other rookie? You've got to be kidding.
That must mean that Boston got a major league pitcher from one of the other teams. There's no way they trade Nomar and just get Cabrera back.

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 03:52 PM
I can't wait to see what happens when Loaiza takes the mound for the Yankees. He's going to get bombed. The Sox got the better of this deal by far.

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:52 PM
It has to be Clement; Ofman has to be wrong.

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:53 PM
ESPN2 bottom line showing this as a 3 team trade with Nomar to Cubs, Cabrera to Red Sox, and Gonzalez to Expos. Wow, I hope this gets cleared up soon.

munchman33
07-31-2004, 03:54 PM
Is this season turning into a nightmare for the Sox or what? :angry: I don't think my heart can take another playoff appearance by the Cubs.
I didn't realize Nomar was able to close games as well....

Rocklive99
07-31-2004, 03:54 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2626402

Shortstop Nomar Garciaparra (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/84953) is heading to the Cubs in a blockbuster trade that also involved Expos shortstop Orlando Cabrera.


The Expos (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71606) originally sent Cabrera to the Cubs (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71602) for shortstop Alex Gonzalez (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/85937), third baseman Brendan Harris and Class AAA righthander Francis Beltran (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/105009) -- a trade that was the precursor to a four-team blockbuster that would send Garciaparra to the Cubs (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71602).

In other parts of the deal not yet confirmed, righthander Derek Lowe (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/84956) could be headed to the Twins (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71595). If all parts of the deal go through, the Red Sox (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71588) could end up with Cabrera and Twins (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71595) first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/85220).

Brian26
07-31-2004, 03:54 PM
This is unbelievable. The Cubs traded 3 or 4 minor league players for Nomar. I'm going to be sick.

ma-gaga
07-31-2004, 03:54 PM
I can't wait to see what happens when Loaiza takes the mound for the Yankees. He's going to get bombed. The Sox got the better of this deal by far.
uh... Conteras when healthy hasn't been anything special either. I think it is an overrated pitcher for an overrated pitcher.

I'd call it a push. Unless KW gave up a prospect...

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:54 PM
Cubs do keep Clement; only lose Gonzalez and prospects for Garciaparra.

munchman33
07-31-2004, 03:55 PM
ESPN2 bottom line showing this as a 3 team trade with Nomar to Cubs, Cabrera to Red Sox, and Gonzalez to Expos. Wow, I hope this gets cleared up soon.
The Bosox-Twins deal might be a seperate deal.

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:55 PM
Score says that the Cubs give up Mientkiewicz, Beltran, minor league pitcher Justin Jones, and Brendan Harris.

Rocklive99
07-31-2004, 03:55 PM
uh... Conteras when healthy hasn't been anything special either. I think it is an overrated pitcher for an overrated pitcher.

I'd call it a push. Unless KW gave up a prospect...
ESPNEWS said we get cash too

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:55 PM
You have to be kidding me. The Cubs for Nomar without giving up a major league player? Unbelievable. Why couldn't we do this? They traded Bredan Harris, Francis Beltran and one other minor leaguer, plus Alex Gonzalez for Nomar? That's a joke.

illinibk
07-31-2004, 03:55 PM
Per Rosenthall:

In addition, Dodgers outfielder Dave Roberts told Fox Sports Net that he has been traded to the Red Sox.

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 03:57 PM
ESPNEWS said we get cash too
:reinsy

"Good... good..."

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 03:57 PM
In recapping the trade, Ofman did not say anything about Lowe going to Minnesota...

:bandance: ???????

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 03:57 PM
The Red Sox got screwed! They traded Nomar for Orlando Cabrera. Are you kidding me? This blows. The Cubs gets a steal. Ugh...

samram
07-31-2004, 03:57 PM
ESPN Radio says nothing about Lowe going to the Twins. They are also criticizing the Red Sox for making a bad trade.

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 03:57 PM
uh... Conteras when healthy hasn't been anything special either. I think it is an overrated pitcher for an overrated pitcher.

I'd call it a push. Unless KW gave up a prospect...
Didn't he have a sub 4 ERA last year...Isn't he signed past this season...The skanks better have paid his contract because he is in a 4yr-32 million contract deal...I LOVE this trade, we weren't going to resign Loaiza anyway, and now we hopefully get the yanks to pay contrera's salary and we get him for 3 more years? Hell YEAH!!!

Brian26
07-31-2004, 03:58 PM
Justin Jones, Alex Gonzalez, Brendan Harris and Francis Beltran for Nomar. Is that fair?

spongyfungy
07-31-2004, 03:58 PM
That's what I'm hearing

Brian26
07-31-2004, 03:58 PM
I would love to punch Jesse Rogers out right now.

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 04:00 PM
That's what I'm hearing
If you mean the Red Sox, then you're correct.

Rocklive99
07-31-2004, 04:00 PM
Red Sox, that is

samram
07-31-2004, 04:00 PM
Justin Jones, Alex Gonzalez, Brendan Harris and Francis Beltran for Nomar. Is that fair?
Yeah, but the Cubs will be bad in 2009- just you wait and see!

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 04:01 PM
Put down the damn crack pipe everyone....Why does everyone have a freaking hard-on for Nomar...I could have sworn that sox fans were bitching about getting Nomar because he is overrated and injury prone...

ma-gaga
07-31-2004, 04:01 PM
Didn't he have a sub 4 ERA last year...
What was Loaiza's ERA last year?

I'm sorry, it's a push deal. If the Yankees are paying HALF, then you got a steal. I doubt that happened. I bet they paid this years salary and that's it. You got Conteras to take up $8MM of your "budget" for the next 2 years.

That's money that's not being spent on Maggs...

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 04:02 PM
Put down the damn crack pipe everyone....Why does everyone have a freaking hard-on for Nomar...I could have sworn that sox fans were bitching about getting Nomar because he is overrated and injury prone...
I predict that Garciaparra's presence on the Cubs will not be as impactful as the Kool Aid drinkers will think.

Rocklive99
07-31-2004, 04:03 PM
Not a trade, but Yanks close to signing John Olerud

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 04:05 PM
Score saying that the Cubs trade could be the GREATEST TRADE ever...

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 04:05 PM
Put down the damn crack pipe everyone....Why does everyone have a freaking hard-on for Nomar...I could have sworn that sox fans were bitching about getting Nomar because he is overrated and injury prone...We bitched about that when we thought we had to give up a good, major league ready player for him. The Cubs gave up nothing!

On the bright side, if you're upset about the Cubs getting Nomar, just think about it this way. You could be a Red Sox fan right now. How about that? Going from trading Nomar and getting Arod in place, to trading Nomar for Orlando freaking Cabrera. I would be hysterical if I was a Red Sox fan right now.

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 04:06 PM
Now nomar isnt the greatest thing ever and the cubs will lose him after this year, but does hendry have naked pictures of epstein and littlefield. Last year he gave up nothing for lofton and ramirez. This year he gives up pretty much nothing for nomar.

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 04:07 PM
i feel sorry for you guys in chicago. The media there must just be creaming themselves over hendry's sheer brilliance. At least he is only a rental. Unless he falls in love with the ambiance there

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 04:08 PM
KW on ESPN Radio right now. Tune in.

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 04:08 PM
This is such BS...Score guys are saying that the Cubs are now the "Odd's on favorite" to win the World Series this year.

I didn't know Nomar could close games for them...

samram
07-31-2004, 04:08 PM
We bitched about that when we thought we had to give up a good, major league ready player for him. The Cubs gave up nothing!

On the bright side, if you're upset about the Cubs getting Nomar, just think about it this way. You could be a Red Sox fan right now. How about that? Going from trading Nomar and getting Arod in return, to trading Nomar for Orlando freaking Cabrera. I would be hysterical if I was a Red Sox fan right now.
Well, it does strengthen them defensively, but something tells me that Nomar was ruining their chemistry. They haven't played well since he has been back. If he was the old Nomar and someone offered Cabrera and Mientkiewicz for him, the BoSox, one would think, would have just said no.

CWSGuy406
07-31-2004, 04:08 PM
Kenny Williams on ESPN 1000 NOW!

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 04:08 PM
Me & Z are already drunk on Cubbie Kool Aid...

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 04:09 PM
This is such BS...Score guys are saying that the Cubs are now the "Odd's on favorite" to win the World Series this year.

I didn't know Nomar could close games for them...
Are they forgetting about that little team called the cardinals?

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 04:09 PM
anyone know what the twins got for mienkiewicz?

MRKARNO
07-31-2004, 04:10 PM
Are they forgetting about that little team called the cardinals?
Or the Yankees for that matter

Jjav829
07-31-2004, 04:10 PM
Quick KW on ESPN Radio summary:

Said he thought they had Contreras earlier on the season. Yankees are glad to have Loaiza. The deal was about getting a guy who is under contract. KW felt we needed a new look. He felt teams had seen Loaiza a bit too much and now we have someone they aren't as familiar with. KW says they see something on Contreras and indicated he might be tipping his pitches. He feels Contreras is difficult to hit. Feels the Latin influence will help Contreras and his family become more comfortable. KW says he's going home because hes tired.

RKMeibalane
07-31-2004, 04:11 PM
anyone know what the twins got for mienkiewicz?
Derek Lowe

samram
07-31-2004, 04:11 PM
anyone know what the twins got for mienkiewicz?
Prospects.

munchman33
07-31-2004, 04:11 PM
What was Loaiza's ERA last year?

I'm sorry, it's a push deal. If the Yankees are paying HALF, then you got a steal. I doubt that happened. I bet they paid this years salary and that's it. You got Conteras to take up $8MM of your "budget" for the next 2 years.

That's money that's not being spent on Maggs...
It's become obvious that Loaiza's year last year was a flash in the pan. Contreras has really awesome stuff. He could become dominant here. For this year, that deals a push. For next year, we got a steal.

And money that's not being spent on Maggs? Please. He can take his sorry *** right out of town for $15 million a season. Anyway, there's a chance Magglio may be signing here for less money next year because of his injury.

OurBitchinMinny
07-31-2004, 04:12 PM
Derek LoweI read that lowe wasnt involved..twins fans are gonna be pissed if they didnt get ML talent for him. He was getting standing O's last night at the game

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 04:13 PM
:manos:LTP:crede
"Heheheheheheheh!!! We're still here!!!"

:ohno

CubKilla
07-31-2004, 04:13 PM
This is such BS...Score guys are saying that the Cubs are now the "Odd's on favorite" to win the World Series this year.

I didn't know Nomar could close games for them...
They've been saying that since November of '03.

Here's to Nomar's achilles getting tight :gulp:

munchman33
07-31-2004, 04:14 PM
:manos:LTP:crede
"Heheheheheheheh!!! We're still here!!!"

:ohno
LOL that's hillarious!

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 04:14 PM
Nomar will not make a difference, believe you me. I think the real key was that the Cubs did not have to give up Clement.

South Side
07-31-2004, 04:15 PM
:manos:LTP:crede
"Heheheheheheheh!!! We're still here!!!"

:ohno
Ughhh... he couldn't get one more bat???

ndgt10
07-31-2004, 04:15 PM
anyone know what the twins got for mienkiewicz?
Prospects, they did NOT get Derek Lowe...

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 04:17 PM
Prospects, they did NOT get Derek Lowe...
:bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

Vsahajpal
07-31-2004, 04:17 PM
Prospects, they did NOT get Derek Lowe...

Justin Jones, and he's a stud.

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 04:20 PM
I guess E-lo being our lone all-star helped our cause after all!

ChiWhiteSox1337
07-31-2004, 04:21 PM
:manos:LTP:crede
"Heheheheheheheh!!! We're still here!!!"

:ohno :bundy

Gimm
07-31-2004, 04:23 PM
This is unbelievable. The Cubs traded 3 or 4 minor league players for Nomar. I'm going to be sick.But wait, they'll be falling below .500 in no time....:rolleyes:


Kenny, where's the big OBP guy that we need? Are we gonna get upstaged by the Cubs again?

kittle42
07-31-2004, 04:29 PM
But wait, they'll be falling below .500 in no time....:rolleyes:


Kenny, where's the big OBP guy that we need? Are we gonna get upstaged by the Cubs again?
Hangar is gonna have a field day tomorrow.

WSox8404
07-31-2004, 04:31 PM
Cubs trade Nomar to Sox for Valentin and Mike Jackson.

Dolanski
07-31-2004, 04:33 PM
Who cares if the Cubs get Nomar? They are still ten games out of their division and have to fight it out for the wild card. As far as their deal being a "steal," they gave up some good prospects to RENT Nomar for two months. No guarantees he signs next year and he is going to be asking alot. Actually, rumors were always that he wanted to go back to the West Coast. So he may not want to play here, and I doubt the Cubs are going to sign him for the money he is going to demand.

On the plus side, Twinkies didn't do jack, all they got was a minor leaguer.

skobabe8
07-31-2004, 04:34 PM
Cubs trade Nomar to Sox for Valentin and Mike Jackson.

Its VALENTIN!! WITHOUT THE E! Oh....wait.....nevermind. My apologies.

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 04:40 PM
Its VALENTIN!! WITHOUT THE E! Oh....wait.....nevermind. My apologies.
Actually, Valentin has an "E." Lots of them, actually.

Viva Magglio
07-31-2004, 04:41 PM
Is there a way we can pick up a bat via the waiver wire?

munchman33
07-31-2004, 04:43 PM
Is there a way we can pick up a bat via the waiver wire?
Absolutely. But anyone we'd pickup from waivers would more than likely be expensive.

elrod
07-31-2004, 04:46 PM
I'm shocked the Cubs didn't have to give up Clement. Trading Nomar for Cabrera and Mientkiewicz is pathetic. Epstein should be fired. Immediately. In reality the team most likely to end up with Clement was the Twins and I'm glad he's not going there.

samram
07-31-2004, 04:57 PM
Gammons on ESPN radio says Esty is a great gamble for the Yankees. He also says KW was shopping him everywhere, and had a Lowe, Lawrence, ELo deal going.

He also says the Nomar's contract situation was distracting the BoSox. I wouldn't be surprised if the same happens on the northside, especially with the headcases in that clubhouse.

Dolanski
07-31-2004, 04:59 PM
Nomar was going to leave and 1b has been a HOLE defensively for them. Its a good deal because they can and probably will sign Cabrera. Nomar wants to head back to the West Coast. Their lineup now has Millar and Mien... platooning, something both should be doing. And, if Trot Nixon is out, they don't have to put Ortiz and his Frank Thomas like defense at first. Theo did what he had to do.

Then again, isn't this a WHITE Sox message board???:smile:

MarkEdward
07-31-2004, 05:04 PM
According to some, the Cubs have also received Matt Murton, one of Boston's first-round pick in the 2003 draft. He's a corner outfielder currently hitting .301/.372/.452 for Sarasota in the FSL.

Great deal for the Cubs. Beltran and Harris are both decent prospects, but Nomar and Murton are good comps. Red Sox made a horrible trade.

MHOUSE
07-31-2004, 05:05 PM
Contreras for E-Lo straightr up is an awesome deal. We were lucky to have Loaiza healthy for a year and a half and he clearly lost the focus or stuff that won 21 games last year. Being out of the NY spotlight with help Contreras and we have the chance of a great pitcher locked up for 2 more years. Esteban wouldn't have been resigned and probably would've gotten worse. Contreras can dominate, Loaiza hasn't had good stuff all year. Garcia, Buehrle, Contreras, Garland, Schoeny......YES!

The Cubs gave up a few decent prospects to rent Nomar for a half a season. If the resign him then this is a STEAL. From the Red Sox perspective they get two bats and fill two defensive holes for a player that was unhappy, slightly injured, going to walk in the offseason, and might have been disrupting the clubhouse. The Expos and Twins get prospects that they wanted so it seems like a great deal all around. Hendry is a smart GM, give credit where it's due.

Flight #24
07-31-2004, 05:10 PM
Contreras for E-Lo straightr up is an awesome deal. We were lucky to have Loaiza healthy for a year and a half and he clearly lost the focus or stuff that won 21 games last year. Being out of the NY spotlight with help Contreras and we have the chance of a great pitcher locked up for 2 more years. Esteban wouldn't have been resigned and probably would've gotten worse. Contreras can dominate, Loaiza hasn't had good stuff all year. Garcia, Buehrle, Contreras, Garland, Schoeny......YES!

Move Shoney to the pen & call up Diaz......even better!

Herbal
07-31-2004, 05:13 PM
Absolutely. But anyone we'd pickup from waivers would more than likely be expensive.
To me that could mean Kendall. The Pirates have been trying to dump his contract for a while now with no takers. He's the kind of guy that might make it through waivers.

As for Nomar on the Northside, I was pretty upset that the Cubs upstaged us yet again. Then I realized that when (not if) the Cubs melt down again, the new hope brought by Nomar will make for a hard fall (yet again).

Aidan
07-31-2004, 05:18 PM
Kenny Williams just said on WSCR670 The Score that he had a huge deal set for a "big bat" but got shut down. He wouldn't say who it was but is is rumored to have been Carlos Delgado. He wouldn't waive his no-trade clause.