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joeynach
07-28-2004, 03:31 PM
Ouch! Remember when these guys were hitting the .300s and high .200s. Uribe and Harris were at .320 in early June and as consistent as ever. I remember Timo and Sandy batting about .280 back then and Jose was around .275 when i saw us play in Florida. WOW, what happened. Jose is batting .236, Timo and Sandy about .260, Harris and Uribe about .265! Talk about hitter we dont need around here. I have no patience and want to extened no gratitude to hitters of this sort and would love to see all these guys gone next year, maybe not sandy. I would rather have a guy who hits .275 consistently. If this is not the indiacation to KW and the sox on what kind of personell they need here i dont know what is. We need a stock of slap hitters, Pierre's and Castillo's. Im sick of this streaky slumpy garbage, we need to stay away from these guys for good!

ChiSoxBobette
07-28-2004, 03:36 PM
Ouch! Remember when these guys were hitting the .300s and high .200s. Uribe and Harris were at .320 in early June and as consistent as ever. I remember Timo and Sandy batting about .280 back then and Jose was around .275 when i saw us play in Florida. WOW, what happened. Jose is batting .236, Timo and Sandy about .260, Harris and Uribe about .265! Talk about hitter we dont need around here. I have no patience and want to extened no gratitude to hitters of this sort and would love to see all these guys gone next year, maybe not sandy. I would rather have a guy who hits .275 consistently. If this is not the indiacation to KW and the sox on what kind of personell they need here i dont know what is. We need a stock of slap hitters, Pierre's and Castillo's. Im sick of this streaky slumpy garbage, we need to stay away from these guys for good!
That trade of Aaron Miles for Juan Uribe is coming back to haunt KW.

SoxxoS
07-28-2004, 03:39 PM
First off, who is Valentine.

Second, that is the one guy out of the ones listed you don't have to worry about. He very streaky.

I sincerely hope Harris, and Sandy aren't on this team next year. Uribe is OK, but not in a full time role. Timo is a nice 4th outfielder option, but he isn't a starter, either.

bennyw41
07-28-2004, 03:43 PM
First off, who is Valentine..
WE GET IT, SOME PEOPLE DON'T CARE THAT HE SPELLS IT WRONG...YOU GET THE POINT, THE SMUG REMARK AFTER EVERY VALENTINE SPELLING IS REALLY GRATING.

SoxxoS
07-28-2004, 04:29 PM
WE GET IT, SOME PEOPLE DON'T CARE THAT HE SPELLS IT WRONG...YOU GET THE POINT, THE SMUG REMARK AFTER EVERY VALENTINE SPELLING IS REALLY GRATING.
Get it right, then. AND USING CAPS REALLY GETS YOUR POINT ACROSS!

:rolleyes:

WSox8404
07-28-2004, 04:35 PM
WE GET IT, SOME PEOPLE DON'T CARE THAT HE SPELLS IT WRONG...YOU GET THE POINT, THE SMUG REMARK AFTER EVERY VALENTINE SPELLING IS REALLY GRATING.
I agree. It was funny the first time, but who cares anymore.

bennyw41
07-28-2004, 04:42 PM
Get it right, then. AND USING CAPS REALLY GETS YOUR POINT ACROSS!

:rolleyes:In the last week or so....

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=37663&highlight=valentine

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=37497&highlight=Valentine

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=37295&page=3&pp=20&highlight=Valentine

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=37281&highlight=Valentine

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=37223&highlight=Valentine

soxtalker
07-28-2004, 04:45 PM
Ouch! Remember when these guys were hitting the .300s and high .200s. Uribe and Harris were at .320 in early June and as consistent as ever. I remember Timo and Sandy batting about .280 back then and Jose was around .275 when i saw us play in Florida. WOW, what happened. Jose is batting .236, Timo and Sandy about .260, Harris and Uribe about .265! Talk about hitter we dont need around here. I have no patience and want to extened no gratitude to hitters of this sort and would love to see all these guys gone next year, maybe not sandy. I would rather have a guy who hits .275 consistently. If this is not the indiacation to KW and the sox on what kind of personell they need here i dont know what is. We need a stock of slap hitters, Pierre's and Castillo's. Im sick of this streaky slumpy garbage, we need to stay away from these guys for good!
Well, on the positive side, Ben Davis batting average is going up. If my calculations are correct, he should be at .142 after his homer today.

SoxxoS
07-28-2004, 04:45 PM
First off, I have no idea what those threads mean.

Second, you should find other stuff to do with your time.

Frater Perdurabo
07-28-2004, 04:52 PM
That trade of Aaron Miles for Juan Uribe is coming back to haunt KW.
Yes. :(:

bennyw41
07-28-2004, 05:04 PM
First off, I have no idea what those threads mean.

Second, you should find other stuff to do with your time.
Took all of five minutes to find those threads with a horrible joke about how people misspell valentin(e).

DickAllen72
07-28-2004, 05:55 PM
Ouch! Remember when these guys were hitting the .300s and high .200s. Uribe and Harris were at .320 in early June and as consistent as ever. I remember Timo and Sandy batting about .280 back then and Jose was around .275 when i saw us play in Florida. WOW, what happened. Jose is batting .236, Timo and Sandy about .260, Harris and Uribe about .265! Talk about hitter we dont need around here. I have no patience and want to extened no gratitude to hitters of this sort and would love to see all these guys gone next year, maybe not sandy. I would rather have a guy who hits .275 consistently. If this is not the indiacation to KW and the sox on what kind of personell they need here i dont know what is. We need a stock of slap hitters, Pierre's and Castillo's. Im sick of this streaky slumpy garbage, we need to stay away from these guys for good!

Robbie Alomar would stabilize the lineup by giving us a steady leadoff hitter and we could use his smarts on the basepaths and in the field. Willie and Juan could learn a lot from Robbie.

Bucktown
07-28-2004, 10:58 PM
Tracking this teams stats is like tracking my stock portfolio in 2000:

Uribe = drkoop.com
Harris = amazon.com
Perez = AOL
Alomar = Yahoo!

ChiWhiteSox1337
07-28-2004, 11:03 PM
The miles-uribe deal is not coming back to haunt KW. What Uribe did for the white sox while he was hot is more than miles will ever do outside of coors field.

southsideirish71
07-28-2004, 11:05 PM
Ozzie is officially off the Uribe bandwagon. He has most likely come to the conclusion that Uribe's pull only swing cannot be fixed.

The adjustment for Guillen has been what to do with the struggling Juan Uribe. The early-season sensation has dropped all the way down to .266, going 13-for-93 in his last 26 games, after hitting .393 in April. Uribe is hitting .277 in the leadoff spot and .274 in the second spot.


Chicago fans were spoiled by the great start from Uribe, who was basically envisioned as a utility player when acquired in the off-season from Colorado for Aaron Miles. In that same sense, Guillen and the White Sox were just as spoiled by his early success, making the combination of Harris and Uribe at the top a no-brainer.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/players/team_logo/18x18-cws.gif Juan Uribe / SS http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/players/graphics/line-up-left.gifhttp://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_346874.jpg (http://www.etopps.com/)
Born: 07/22/79
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 175 lbs
Bats: R / Throws: R

More info:
Player page (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/team/cws_player_bio.jsp?frame=cws&playerid=346874)
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Team Site (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=cws)
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"That's why we expect him to do more," Guillen said of Uribe's early hitting prowess. "He's always been a .250 to .260 hitter and the way he approaches the plate, he'll always be that. I was playing Uribe once in a while, and (the media) pushed me to put him in the lineup. You don't remember that, and I said, 'Uribe just came here to be a utility player.' "I hope he hits .270. The thing I care about is if he hits .240. That's the problem. When you have two more months, you can go to .240 or .270. But I'm pleased with the way this kid plays for us."

RKMeibalane
07-28-2004, 11:07 PM
It is not difficult to spell Valentin's name correctly. There is no excuse for intentionally spelling his name wrong.

RKMeibalane
07-28-2004, 11:07 PM
And, just for the record, there is no one named Valentine on the Sox roster.

mcfish
07-29-2004, 03:17 AM
WE GET IT, SOME PEOPLE DON'T CARE THAT HE SPELLS IT WRONG...YOU GET THE POINT, THE SMUG REMARK AFTER EVERY VALENTINE SPELLING IS REALLY GRATING.
Oh thank you. There are way too many threads derailed into this stupid argument that it's somehow important to spell Jose's name right. It's not funny anymore, it's just annoying. More annoying than someone accidently hitting the 'e' key on his keyboard.

IA_soxfan
07-29-2004, 03:37 AM
Oh thank you. There are way too many threads derailed into this stupid argument that it's somehow important to spell Jose's name right. It's not funny anymore, it's just annoying. More annoying than someone accidently hitting the 'e' key on his keyboard.
Mark me down for the "Spelling it 'Valentine' is annoying as all hell" bandwagon. I hope none of you "valentiners" are the same people who rip on cubs fans when they make asses of themselves with the infamous "Kerry WoodS" slip up.

mealfred13
07-29-2004, 03:42 AM
Mark me down for the "Spelling it 'Valentine' is annoying as all hell" bandwagon. I hope none of you "valentiners" are the same people who rip on cubs fans when they make asses of themselves with the infamous "Kerry WoodS" slip up.
Valentin(e) doesn't annoy me nearly as much as people misusing your, when they mean you're. That annoys me to no end....

mcfish
07-29-2004, 03:44 AM
Mark me down for the "Spelling it 'Valentine' is annoying as all hell" bandwagon. I hope none of you "valentiners" are the same people who rip on cubs fans when they make asses of themselves with the infamous "Kerry WoodS" slip up.
I don't spell it wrong - I was saying that I am more annoyed by having it brought up every time it happens than by the actual error.

gosox41
07-29-2004, 08:59 AM
Ouch! Remember when these guys were hitting the .300s and high .200s. Uribe and Harris were at .320 in early June and as consistent as ever. I remember Timo and Sandy batting about .280 back then and Jose was around .275 when i saw us play in Florida. WOW, what happened. Jose is batting .236, Timo and Sandy about .260, Harris and Uribe about .265! Talk about hitter we dont need around here. I have no patience and want to extened no gratitude to hitters of this sort and would love to see all these guys gone next year, maybe not sandy. I would rather have a guy who hits .275 consistently. If this is not the indiacation to KW and the sox on what kind of personell they need here i dont know what is. We need a stock of slap hitters, Pierre's and Castillo's. Im sick of this streaky slumpy garbage, we need to stay away from these guys for good!
Here's a fact: Uribe, Harris, and Perez were all acquiredin trades by the same person. This is the same person you hope realizes the value of good hitting. Of course this is the same person who has signed Alomar as a FA 3 different times.


Bob

joeynach
07-29-2004, 09:42 AM
Here's a fact: Uribe, Harris, and Perez were all acquiredin trades by the same person. This is the same person you hope realizes the value of good hitting. Of course this is the same person who has signed Alomar as a FA 3 different times.


Bob
Yeah but those other guys were brought in to be hitters or grinders. Sandy was brought in to be a catching coach basically. He is just here to help call games and catch the pitchers who need a good game calling catcher.

gosox41
07-29-2004, 11:05 AM
Yeah but those other guys were brought in to be hitters or grinders. Sandy was brought in to be a catching coach basically. He is just here to help call games and catch the pitchers who need a good game calling catcher.
Those guys aren't hitting but if they keep playing like they are they will slowly grind the Sox hopes of going to the playoffs to dust.

As for Sandy, he's a good guy and all but not a good player. He is one of the reasons (one of the other's is Ozzies and KW's stupidiy) that the Sox currently have 3 catchers on the roster who can't hit.


Bob

OEO Magglio
07-29-2004, 11:17 AM
The valentin thing is just very annoying because it's not a tough name to spell. I think if the sox acquire Catalanotto nobody will correct the spelling of his name. It's Jose Valentin not Jose Valentine, it's not that hard.

SoxxoS
07-29-2004, 11:21 AM
The valentin thing is just very annoying because it's not a tough name to spell. I think if the sox acquire Catalanotto nobody will correct the spelling of his name. It's Jose Valentin not Jose Valentine, it's not that hard.
Exactly. If you spell something wrong, you lose credibility. Whenever I see a poster use "Valentine" or "Rowland" I take their posts with a grain of salt.

And the worst part about it is you are adding an extra letter. It's not the actual spelling, it's the principle of just being ignorant.

OEO Magglio
07-29-2004, 11:42 AM
Here's a fact: Uribe, Harris, and Perez were all acquiredin trades by the same person. This is the same person you hope realizes the value of good hitting. Of course this is the same person who has signed Alomar as a FA 3 different times.


BobWhere's Chris Singleton at? Would you like to have him instead of Willie. Aaron Miles has no value to this team, I don't care what he's doing in Colorado right now. Timo is a very good bench player, he wasn't in here to be a starter, I'm sure your going to throw at me his batting average that is around .250 but I could care less about that, Timo has come through with huge hits this year and has been very important to this team.

mcfish
07-29-2004, 12:09 PM
Exactly. If you spell something wrong, you lose credibility. Whenever I see a poster use "Valentine" or "Rowland" I take their posts with a grain of salt.

And the worst part about it is you are adding an extra letter. It's not the actual spelling, it's the principle of just being ignorant.
Ok, fine, great - take thier posts with a grain of salt, don't listen to them, whatever. Just don't turn every thread in which it happens into a 15 post joke about Valentine, Rowland, Olivio, Estaben Loiaza, Marc Buhrle, and John Rausch.

And back on topic - when did Jose actually drop below .245? I know I was there Tuesday and saw his avg. go from .242 down to .238 or so, but I was really surprised it had gotten that bad. He's approaching Crede's worst averages - which is scary.

gosox41
07-29-2004, 02:04 PM
Where's Chris Singleton at? Would you like to have him instead of Willie. Aaron Miles has no value to this team, I don't care what he's doing in Colorado right now. Timo is a very good bench player, he wasn't in here to be a starter, I'm sure your going to throw at me his batting average that is around .250 but I could care less about that, Timo has come through with huge hits this year and has been very important to this team.
None of the trades were bad trades. But none of these guys are impact players. They're bench players at best. KW traded bench for bench which is fine. Nothing wrong with that.

THe problem comes in that we're playing these guys everyday because we lack depth. And it's not because of Frank or Magglio's injury. Neither of them play 2B do they? Yet Willie and Juan do. KW chose to make Timo/Gload the regular RFers because he called up Jamie Burke instead of Borchard/Reed (back when we had Reed.) WHy carry 3 no hitting catchers when you lose an All Star RFer and have to replace him with 2 guys who can't hit?

THese guys are all good acquisitions...for the bench. We gave up nothing and got quality bench in return. But it doesn't help that there is no depth in the upper minors to make up for injuries. When KW got here the Sox needed a CFer and a catcher. He traded Durham (don't get me started on that one) and created yet another hole there. But what has he done in his 4 years of GM to solve these problems long term?


Bob