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Hangar18
07-19-2004, 09:36 AM
Seeing all these "trades" the SOX have been making the last couple of weeks ...... kind of got me thinking about him again. He was available
LAST SEASON, and we were thinking CHEEEEEEEEEEP (per usual) and
it essentially helped COST us the division. He was available YET AGAIN,
this past offseason, and unable to learn a harsh lesson, SOX continued to THINK CHEEEEEEEEEEP (come our first, then we'll get players-Problem with that thinking is that the PRICE of players Rises exponentially as season progresses-Ironically costing the team even more in the first place!! tsk tsk, Jerry never learns does he?) and guess what? The guy is having yet another great season
and were trading away our Future to acquire a Pitcher everyone at WSI was
telling them they needed ...........

Rocky Soprano
07-19-2004, 09:41 AM
Are we in last place or something?

Hangar18
07-19-2004, 09:51 AM
Are we in last place or something?
No, but the way we've played, and the way the Organization takes a REACTIVE approach to things, we deserve to be. Dont get me wrong, im glad Everetts back here, and yeah, we made a move, but Losing Reed is gonna hurt
us ........simply because we wouldnt sign a Kenny Rogers ..........

Rocky Soprano
07-19-2004, 09:56 AM
No, but the way we've played, and the way the Organization takes a REACTIVE approach to things, we deserve to be. Dont get me wrong, im glad Everetts back here, and yeah, we made a move, but Losing Reed is gonna hurt
us ........simply because we wouldnt sign a Kenny Rogers ..........
I dont agree, to me this organization is TRYING to change their ways. They went out and got a GREAT pitcher and right away resigned him to a long term deal.

Now Kenny went out and got a player that can provide a nice boost.

We cant go out and get every single player that is available.

So I say, give them a chance. Who knows Kenny might not even be done...

Mickster
07-19-2004, 10:04 AM
http://www.zeebyrd.com/kenny/photopageone1.jpg
"Hangar, what do I have to do with the White Sox?"

Tragg
07-19-2004, 12:29 PM
The guy is having yet another great season
and were trading away our Future to acquire a Pitcher everyone at WSI was
telling them they needed ...........
Rogers is a useful arm, but he hasn't had a "great" season since 1995. Prior to this season, since 1993 he has been below 4.00 ERA only 3 times.

Realist
07-19-2004, 12:31 PM
"He makes a pretty mean bird." - Newman

bennyw41
07-19-2004, 12:32 PM
Sour Grapes. We coulda had a lot of people.

Lip Man 1
07-19-2004, 12:37 PM
Kenny Rogers won 13 games for the Twins last season and eliminated the Sox by beating them.

Ring a bell?

Now how many wins did the Sox 5th starters get last year......... (crickets chirping)

The Twins felt that after Milton got hurt, Rogers was worth two million. The Sox wanted him at one million when Wright got hurt.

Having some home playoff games would have more then made up for that additional million but the Sox didn't think he was worth it.

And that's called cutting off your nose to spite your face!

I agree with Hangar. It would be nice for the Sox to NOT have to wheel and deal, try to make something happen creatively, and cross their fingers that they can get multiple pieces every June / July because they had actually solved most of their needs in the off season!

Two benefits to this....

1. You don't have to drain the farm system because the cost of playing poker goes sky high come July.

2. You actually promote something called 'season ticket sales' by being proactive in the off season. Thereby INCREASING your financial resources.

Lip

Brian26
07-19-2004, 12:48 PM
but Losing Reed is gonna hurt
us ........simply because we wouldnt sign a Kenny Rogers ..........


Well, the nice thing is that Garcia will be here for awhile, so we don't have to think we lost Reed for nothing. I'm not sure Kenny Rogers will be producing two years from now, or even next year. Garcia is a pretty sure bet to be our #2 starter for awhile.

Brian26
07-19-2004, 12:51 PM
No, but the way we've played, and the way the Organization takes a REACTIVE approach to things, we deserve to be.


I have to say, I think taking a "reactive" approach is actually an excellent way to manage the organization. The best laid plans sometimes go awry. Filling holes in our lineup halfway through the season based on where we need improvement is a pretty good way to keep the club solid for the whole season. For example, look at how Rowand has won the centerfield job and is playing his behind off. If we would have gone out this winter and picked up a centerfielder because we thought that was a huge hole, Rowand never would have received that shot to play, and we might be paying huge money to someone who wouldn't be producing as much now as Rowand is. Meanwhile, we have that extra coin to spend, so we can go out and pick up a #2 starter in Garcia and sign him longterm. Kenny's approach over the past few years has really been excellent. I like what he's doing.

jabrch
07-19-2004, 01:09 PM
and in 1973 we should have gotten Catfish Hunter when he was available.

When we do good things, and are in first place, people bitch about what we didn't do before. It makes me smile.

Mohoney
07-19-2004, 01:25 PM
No, but the way we've played, and the way the Organization takes a REACTIVE approach to things, we deserve to be. Dont get me wrong, im glad Everetts back here, and yeah, we made a move, but Losing Reed is gonna hurt
us ........simply because we wouldnt sign a Kenny Rogers ..........

I think Orel Hershiser has a lot to do with Rogers' success this year. Hershiser seems to have really worked magic over there. Who's to say that Rogers would thrive here like he's thriving in Texas?

Tragg
07-19-2004, 01:27 PM
For example, look at how Rowand has won the centerfield job and is playing his behind off. If we would have gone out this winter and picked up a centerfielder because we thought that was a huge hole, Rowand never would have received that shot to play, and we might be paying huge money to someone who wouldn't be producing as much now as Rowand is. Rowand is still producing average for a CF- about like Corey Patterson or Randy Winn. I get to see the Sox play so infrequently that I can't comment on his D.
The hole still exists- we just have bigger holes- and he has closed it from where at least I thought it would be.

Sad
07-19-2004, 02:00 PM
I'm pretty sure this was Kenny Rogers on an ESPN interview last night saying his recent surgery has alot to do with his newfound success...

I guess he had his upper-left? rib removed :o:

He said when he would pitch, his fingertips would go numb... don't remember all the details, but he said that's why he had that big slump & high E.R.A., and was extremely frustrated as at the time as physicians were clueless as to the cause of the problem.

I guess a specialist eventually discovered the problem (forget the medical term now) but apparently had something to do with the nerves traveling thru this area of his body, resulting circulation loss, etc.

a Doctor I aint-
but it is time for my medicine :tongue:

silhouette
07-19-2004, 02:28 PM
Kenny Rogers (the pitcher) is just lucky to have the run support he gets in Texas. He was always overrated.

I think we would be better off getting Kenny Rogers the fat old singer who kills birds now for a living than the one who plays for the Rangers.

"You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run."

LauraJ14
07-19-2004, 02:29 PM
I have to say, I think taking a "reactive" approach is actually an excellent way to manage the organization. The best laid plans sometimes go awry. Filling holes in our lineup halfway through the season based on where we need improvement is a pretty good way to keep the club solid for the whole season. For example, look at how Rowand has won the centerfield job and is playing his behind off. If we would have gone out this winter and picked up a centerfielder because we thought that was a huge hole, Rowand never would have received that shot to play, and we might be paying huge money to someone who wouldn't be producing as much now as Rowand is. Meanwhile, we have that extra coin to spend, so we can go out and pick up a #2 starter in Garcia and sign him longterm. Kenny's approach over the past few years has really been excellent. I like what he's doing.
But what if we had signed a David Ortiz a year ago as a free agent for 1 million dollars and if you have extra pieces then you use those to trade to other teams to say fill a bullpen hole? There were many cheap players out on the market in the offseason that were signable and we wouldn't have to trade all the time to fill our holes. Who has Kenny signed as a free agent besides Loaiza and Takatsu? It seems like every other player we have gotten cost us 2 or 3 minor leaguers.

SoxFanForever
07-19-2004, 02:37 PM
Isn't Boras still Rogers agent? That could have something to do with it.

Hangar18
07-20-2004, 01:22 PM
I think Orel Hershiser has a lot to do with Rogers' success this year. Hershiser seems to have really worked magic over there. Who's to say that Rogers would thrive here like he's thriving in Texas?
thats a good point ..........

jabrch
07-20-2004, 01:36 PM
Who has Kenny signed as a free agent besides Loaiza and Takatsu?
I think I might have heard it all at this point.

LauraJ14
07-20-2004, 02:11 PM
I think I might have heard it all at this point.
Well if you look at what Kenny WIlliams has done to get players, he trades for them, he doesn't go out on the free agent market and say signs a Javy Lopez or a Miguel Tejada or a David Ortiz or a Kenny Rodgers. That was the point I was trying to make. If you look at the 25 man roster how many players were free agents signings? I count Loaiza, Takatsu, Jackson, thats it.

Hangar18
07-20-2004, 02:18 PM
But what if we had signed a David Ortiz a year ago as a free agent for 1 million dollars and if you have extra pieces then you use those to trade to other teams to say fill a bullpen hole? There were many cheap players out on the market in the offseason that were signable and we wouldn't have to trade all the time to fill our holes. Who has Kenny signed as a free agent besides Loaiza and Takatsu? It seems like every other player we have gotten cost us 2 or 3 minor leaguers.
Great Organizations draft a CORE group of Players, Then PAY PLAYERS THRU FREE AGENCY to supplement what they have and Subsequently WIN.

This team Drafts Core Players, Refuses to supplement CORE thru free agency,
thereby having to TRADE FUTURE Core Players, and letting Key Players (Magglio?) escape, thereby always Watching the Playoffs come October.
Really simple plan.............

jabrch
07-20-2004, 02:23 PM
Well if you look at what Kenny WIlliams has done to get players, he trades for them, he doesn't go out on the free agent market and say signs a Javy Lopez or a Miguel Tejada or a David Ortiz or a Kenny Rodgers. That was the point I was trying to make. If you look at the 25 man roster how many players were free agents signings? I count Loaiza, Takatsu, Jackson, thats it.
Kenny has a budget that he works under. If he was to keep our talent, he didn't have the money available to go out and acquire other FAs. He did an excellent job with the ones he has added, including those listed above, as well as many trades he made for inexpensive players like Schoe and Uribe.

It's not as if Williams has a track record of failing in signing FAs.

jabrch
07-20-2004, 02:25 PM
Great Organizations draft a CORE group of Players, Then PAY PLAYERS THRU FREE AGENCY to supplement what they have and Subsequently WIN.

This team Drafts Core Players, Refuses to supplement CORE thru free agency,
thereby having to TRADE FUTURE Core Players, and letting Key Players (Magglio?) escape, thereby always Watching the Playoffs come October.
Really simple plan.............

What free AGENTS would you LIKE this TEAM to have gone AFTER given the budgetary CONSTRAINTS it is operating UNDER?

What CORE players have we traded AWAY?

Who have WE let ESCAPE?

Mickster
07-20-2004, 02:36 PM
Why do people YELL when they type? :D: