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FightingBillini
07-09-2004, 12:59 AM
I want to start something here. We should all email mlb.com and tell them how you feel. I think that if the Expos are moved to DC, they should become the SENATORS. As they say, the third time is the charm. Im sure the name Washington Seantors isnt owned by the Rangers, becuase MLB gave it to them after the Twins moved. It could be like the NFL did with the Cleveland Browns.

Expos isnt a good name for a DC team. It makes no sense, like Utah Jazz. You would be shunned if you listened to Jazz music in Utah. Senators is a classy name with historic relevance. MLB will most likely rename the team anyways, and recent sports team names have sucked arse (see Blue Jackets, Devil Rays, Mighty Ducks, Predators, Wild, and worst of all BOBCATS).

Anyone else want to see the Sens?

DSpivack
07-09-2004, 01:22 AM
I want to start something here. We should all email mlb.com and tell them how you feel. I think that if the Expos are moved to DC, they should become the SENATORS. As they say, the third time is the charm. Im sure the name Washington Seantors isnt owned by the Rangers, becuase MLB gave it to them after the Twins moved. It could be like the NFL did with the Cleveland Browns.

Expos isnt a good name for a DC team. It makes no sense, like Utah Jazz. You would be shunned if you listened to Jazz music in Utah. Senators is a classy name with historic relevance. MLB will most likely rename the team anyways, and recent sports team names have sucked arse (see Blue Jackets, Devil Rays, Mighty Ducks, Predators, Wild, and worst of all BOBCATS).

Anyone else want to see the Sens?
Yes.

Cubbiesuck13
07-09-2004, 01:35 AM
I want to start something here. We should all email mlb.com and tell them how you feel. I think that if the Expos are moved to DC, they should become the SENATORS. As they say, the third time is the charm. Im sure the name Washington Seantors isnt owned by the Rangers, becuase MLB gave it to them after the Twins moved. It could be like the NFL did with the Cleveland Browns.

Expos isnt a good name for a DC team. It makes no sense, like Utah Jazz. You would be shunned if you listened to Jazz music in Utah. Senators is a classy name with historic relevance. MLB will most likely rename the team anyways, and recent sports team names have sucked arse (see Blue Jackets, Devil Rays, Mighty Ducks, Predators, Wild, and worst of all BOBCATS).

Anyone else want to see the Sens?
i would rather see them be the norfolk whatevers. just as long as the expos come hear and not d.c. or anywhere else. but i am a little biased.

doublem23
07-09-2004, 02:11 AM
Yes. It is a shame that the nation's capital is not represented in the National Pasttime. And don't give me that "Orioles" crap. If the Ravens a Redskins can coexist, the Orioles and Senators can.

Cubbiesuck13
07-09-2004, 02:55 AM
Yes. It is a shame that the nation's capital is not represented in the National Pasttime. And don't give me that "Orioles" crap. If the Ravens a Redskins can coexist, the Orioles and Senators can.
the nfl has a much smoother running league than mlb. revenue sharing and salary caps help the ravens and redskins coexist. how many times do you give d.c. a chance at a ball club? they have tried twice allready so i think that the 'national pastime not being in the nations capital' crap is more crappy than the orioles crap.

MrRoboto83
07-09-2004, 03:09 AM
I'm not sure any of the other choices in cities would be any better than D.C., I don't think Portland can support baseball, Las Vegas on the other hand sounds interesting, make some kind of baseball mega casino with dancers, cocktail waitress', and sin

Cubbiesuck13
07-09-2004, 03:20 AM
I'm not sure any of the other choices in cities would be any better than D.C., I don't think Portland can support baseball, Las Vegas on the other hand sounds interesting, make some kind of baseball mega casino with dancers, cocktail waitress', and sin
acually i think that portland would support them the way they do the blazers. i also think that the norfolk area would be a good place for them. they have the largest population without a pro sports team in the u.s. also, with as many transplants they have here due to the military they would have a decent showing for even the most mediocre teams. would people who lived in d.c. all their lives go see the marlins when they play the expos? not as many as an are with people who have lived in florida. that is just one example, i think norfolk would work the best.

MrRoboto83
07-09-2004, 03:26 AM
acually i think that portland would support them the way they do the blazers. i also think that the norfolk area would be a good place for them. they have the largest population without a pro sports team in the u.s. also, with as many transplants they have here due to the military they would have a decent showing for even the most mediocre teams. would people who lived in d.c. all their lives go see the marlins when they play the expos? not as many as an are with people who have lived in florida. that is just one example, i think norfolk would work the best.


you could be right, plus having another team right on the coast might anger the Yankees a little bit.

Cubbiesuck13
07-09-2004, 03:44 AM
you could be right, plus having another team right on the coast might anger the Yankees a little bit.
well there was a far fetch rumor once that NJ wanted a team. first off, i don't think anything could dent the yankee armor in terms of fanbase. second, even if it did i don't know who would be more pissed the yankees or me. that whole area doesn't need another sports team.

MrRoboto83
07-09-2004, 04:13 AM
I think the answer to the problem is to move the Expos to Gary Indiana

Cubbiesuck13
07-09-2004, 04:15 AM
I think the answer to the problem is to move the Expos to Gary Indiana
they could be the most dangerous team in america!

wasn't gary indiana ranked as the most dangerous place in america a few years ago?

MrRoboto83
07-09-2004, 04:17 AM
they could be the most dangerous team in america!

wasn't gary indiana ranked as the most dangerous place in america a few years ago?
Murder capital of the U.S. per capita for 3 years I believe

AnkleSox
07-09-2004, 04:28 AM
How about making them the team for Chicago's west side?

MrRoboto83
07-09-2004, 12:57 PM
Hey at one time in the early 80's the Sox almost were the westside team, remember all the talk about building a cookie cutter stadium out in suburban Addison, right were Dave & Busters is, good thing that never happened!! Although I bet it would be a sellout everynight if the team was out in the suburbs esp the western.

Tekijawa
07-09-2004, 01:29 PM
I'm not sure any of the other choices in cities would be any better than D.C., I don't think Portland can support baseball, Las Vegas on the other hand sounds interesting, make some kind of baseball mega casino with dancers, cocktail waitress', and sin
I thouroughly enjoy SIN!!!

Lip Man 1
07-09-2004, 01:54 PM
When baseball moves the club you can bet the new owners will give the 'Expos,' a new name.

They don't want another embarassment like the Utah "Jazz."

Lip

MrRoboto83
07-09-2004, 02:21 PM
I think Expos may be the worst name in professional sports, what do you think?

MrRoboto83
07-09-2004, 02:27 PM
I thouroughly enjoy SIN!!!

I know it, just think about all the possibilities by moving the team to Las Vegas, off track betting in the ballpark, imagine betting on the game right then and there(i know that wouldnt fly), build a giant Casino and Hotel and attach it to the ballpark. I bet they could get a ballpark funded quite easy in Vegas........I know none of this will ever happen

skobabe8
07-09-2004, 03:11 PM
I think the answer to the problem is to move the Expos to Gary Indiana
That would be cool. Then 'The Shrine' would be the 3rd best ballpark in chicagoland, behind The Cell and The Steel Yard.

idseer
07-09-2004, 03:31 PM
but getting back to the topic .....

i remember an article stating what i thought sounded like a very reasonable opinion on why the senators flopped and every other attempt will meet the same fate. there isn't a large enough base of home fans to support a team there.
too many transients in dc with no strong interest (at least in a washington baseball team). there's always noise about a team there but it's mostly politicians who want the prestige and celebrity of a team but don't actually go to games.
i doubt that has changed or ever will.

MrRoboto83
07-09-2004, 03:48 PM
but getting back to the topic .....

i remember an article stating what i thought sounded like a very reasonable opinion on why the senators flopped and every other attempt will meet the same fate. there isn't a large enough base of home fans to support a team there.
too many transients in dc with no strong interest (at least in a washington baseball team). there's always noise about a team there but it's mostly politicians who want the prestige and celebrity of a team but don't actually go to games.
i doubt that has changed or ever will.


i think you are right, D.C. has already had their chances. I think the best option it to move the team to Vegas or northfolk Va, im still not sure on Portland

sendimjoey
07-09-2004, 03:48 PM
I don't think this helps the Expos any, but if they moved to Portland, the Rockies would move to the NL Central and the Pirates to the NL East, or at least that's what I'd expect. I'm sure the Pirates would LOVE to go back to having the Phillies and Mets in their ballpark all the time, although I guess they'd lose another foe from the old NL East, the Cubs. I've read that the Rockies would prefer to be in the central for travel reasons.

I'm just not sure that the Portland Sea Dogs or whatever they would be called would make any money.

he_gone_89
07-09-2004, 03:50 PM
That would be cool. Then 'The Shrine' would be the 3rd best ballpark in chicagoland, behind The Cell and The Steel Yard.
the ballparks in Crestwood and Geneva are nice enough to make "the shrine" the absolute worst ballpark in the chicago area

SoxEd
07-09-2004, 06:27 PM
I think the Expos should be moved down to Mississippi, to the city of Winona.

They could be call the 'Riders' and try to steal bases...:o:

(My sincere apologies to all concerned, esp. the lovely Ms. Ryder.)

But seriously though;

I think that if MLB are moving the Expos, then they should simultaneously do something about the imbalance in team numbers in the various divisions.

At the moment, all have five teams, except the AL West, which only has four (thankfully for the Sox - do we really need another set of fruitless road trips west of the Rockies?), and the NL Central, which has six.

Moving the Expos to Washington, Norfolk, or even PR would enable them to stay in the NL East, which would therefore have no impact on the balance across Divisions.

Other than contracting the Cubs, to address the scheduling/Divisional imbalance I guess the simplest solution on paper would be to relocate one of the NLC teams to the ALW - actually, from a Sox pov, we would want a really second-rate team in the ALW, so how about we shift the Cubs to Vegas, and officially call the team the 'Lovable Losers'?

(Apologies again, two glassses of Talisker and I think I'm a comedian...:redface: )

I guess the 'stros could be moved to Vegas and play in the ALW, but of course this would banjax the interleague play in Texas, and there are probably much more sensible ways to achieve my aim of balance.

Thoughts, anyone?

Baby Fisk
07-09-2004, 06:37 PM
I think Expos may be the worst name in professional sports, what do you think?Yep! The Expos were named after the 1967 World's Fair held in Montreal. Worst. Name. Ever.

I also side with DC for sentimental reasons, but how much of a public groundswell in the DC area is there for another baseball team?

SoxEd
07-09-2004, 06:45 PM
I think Expos may be the worst name in professional sports, what do you think?
I don't know about worst name ever, but as for worst nickname...
There is a Premier League soccer team in London called Fulham FC.
The ground at whch they play is called Craven Cottage. They've played there an awful long time, so FFC's semi-official nickname is 'the cottagers'.

'Cottaging' is an English slang term for what George Michael was attempting to do with an LA cop (in a public convenience) a couple of years back. :o:

I don't think that there can be many worse nicknames than that one anywhere in the world of sports.

(Although, having said that, IIRC there is a soccer team in Nigeria who are called 'Dangerous Darkies' - not a name you'd ever find an English newsreader prepared to broadcast.)

MrRoboto83
07-09-2004, 07:27 PM
There is a High School in down state Illinois, they call themselves the "Bunnies" Fisher Illinois

monkeypants
07-10-2004, 01:00 AM
I've always liked the idea of putting a team in Mexico, in particular Monterrey. They have a population of over 3 million in the metroarea which is more than enough to support a team. Wouldn't have to worry about the weather and it's not completely out of the way in terms of travel. It'd be nice to have one team in Canada and then one in Mexico to expand MLB's popularity. Then MLB could move the defunct Expos/new Mexican team out of the NL East and put them in the AL West and then move the Pirates to the NL East so every division has 5 teams each. I suppose one big problem would be how much revenue this new Mexican team could bring in. Is it even possible that the pesos brought in from a team representing Mexico could complete with the dollars that American teams rake in?

MrRoboto83
07-10-2004, 01:11 AM
I've always liked the idea of putting a team in Mexico, in particular Monterrey. They have a population of over 3 million in the metroarea which is more than enough to support a team. Wouldn't have to worry about the weather and it's not completely out of the way in terms of travel. It'd be nice to have one team in Canada and then one in Mexico to expand MLB's popularity. Then MLB could move the defunct Expos/new Mexican team out of the NL East and put them in the AL West and then move the Pirates to the NL East so every division has 5 teams each. I suppose one big problem would be how much revenue this new Mexican team could bring in. Is it even possible that the pesos brought in from a team representing Mexico could complete with the dollars that American teams rake in?
Money would be the biggest problem in Mexico, household income is really really low in Mexico, and $25 box seats wouldnt fly, not to mention the TV packages at want not

DSpivack
07-10-2004, 01:47 AM
but getting back to the topic .....

i remember an article stating what i thought sounded like a very reasonable opinion on why the senators flopped and every other attempt will meet the same fate. there isn't a large enough base of home fans to support a team there.
too many transients in dc with no strong interest (at least in a washington baseball team). there's always noise about a team there but it's mostly politicians who want the prestige and celebrity of a team but don't actually go to games.
i doubt that has changed or ever will.
Sounds like Atlanta, though certainly to a greater degree. The Redskins at least do well.

Cubbiesuck13
07-10-2004, 02:33 AM
I've always liked the idea of putting a team in Mexico, in particular Monterrey. They have a population of over 3 million in the metroarea which is more than enough to support a team. Wouldn't have to worry about the weather and it's not completely out of the way in terms of travel. It'd be nice to have one team in Canada and then one in Mexico to expand MLB's popularity. Then MLB could move the defunct Expos/new Mexican team out of the NL East and put them in the AL West and then move the Pirates to the NL East so every division has 5 teams each. I suppose one big problem would be how much revenue this new Mexican team could bring in. Is it even possible that the pesos brought in from a team representing Mexico could complete with the dollars that American teams rake in?
ask hockey about the struggles for keeping the canadian teams equal with the american ones because of the exchange rate.

idseer
07-10-2004, 10:27 AM
Sounds like Atlanta, though certainly to a greater degree. The Redskins at least do well.
football is a bad comparison imo. they only play 8 home games a year.

BigEdWalsh
07-10-2004, 11:51 AM
I think the Expos should move to either Portland, Las Vegas or Salt Lake City. They should move over to the AL (in the West). Then Pittsburgh moves to the NL East and voila! Each league would have 3 5-team divisions. :D:

Washington should definately not get a 3rd chance at major league baseball!!

Cowch44
07-10-2004, 06:20 PM
I like that idea, it makes all the leagues somewhat fair, and I'd like to have an MLB team near where I live that isn't on the coast. Right now the closest ones to SLC are the Rockies and the D-backs which are NL teams.

flo-B-flo
07-10-2004, 06:29 PM
I think the Expos should move to either Portland, Las Vegas or Salt Lake City. They should move over to the AL (in the West). Then Pittsburgh moves to the NL East and voila! Each league would have 3 5-team divisions. :D:

Washington should definately not get a 3rd chance at major league baseball!! Does this mean it's 3 strikes and yer' out for Washington? And should we start speculating where the franchise will end up?

PaleHoseGeorge
07-10-2004, 11:43 PM
Personally I would rather see the Expos (and 1-2 more teams) located in and around NYC. Then I wouldn't need to hear all the bellyaching about how the Yankees have such a built in advantage playing in the largest market.

Siphon off the fans in New Jersey and Connecticut then see if competing for fans in NYC is such a cakewalk.

And what should be the other team moved to NYC? The Brewers, of course. :wink:

:tool
"Hey, I was only joking about giving Milwaukee a champion team if only the state would build me a retractible roof stadium!"

Lip Man 1
07-10-2004, 11:51 PM
Calvin Griffith and Bob Short were two of the cheapest and in Short's case baseball knowledge impared owners in the history of the game.

Two pretty good reasons why the first two incarnations of the Senators failed.

Lip

doublem23
07-10-2004, 11:59 PM
I've always liked the idea of putting a team in Mexico, in particular Monterrey. They have a population of over 3 million in the metroarea which is more than enough to support a team. Wouldn't have to worry about the weather and it's not completely out of the way in terms of travel. It'd be nice to have one team in Canada and then one in Mexico to expand MLB's popularity. Then MLB could move the defunct Expos/new Mexican team out of the NL East and put them in the AL West and then move the Pirates to the NL East so every division has 5 teams each. I suppose one big problem would be how much revenue this new Mexican team could bring in. Is it even possible that the pesos brought in from a team representing Mexico could complete with the dollars that American teams rake in?You can't have an odd number of teams in each league for scheduling reasons. Plus, you think the Expos have troube now, at least a Canadian dollar can fetch more than half an American one.

FightingBillini
07-11-2004, 06:28 PM
Doublem is right. The only way there could be 15 teams in each leagure is if the leagues were abolished, and viewed more as conferences, as in basketball and football. If there are an odd number of teams, they cant play the same number of games.

Washington will be able to support a team this time around. Things have changed a lot since the Senators left RFK.

http://baseballindc.com/about_us/supporters/support_dole.asp

soxnut
07-12-2004, 06:53 PM
As for moving the Expos, wasn't that to be decided by the All-Star break this year??????????????:(:

ma-gaga
07-12-2004, 07:22 PM
As for moving the Expos, wasn't that to be decided by the All-Star break this year??????????????:(:hahahaha with Herr Selig in charge? Baseball needs a lot of work to truly have a renaissance, and it starts with him. PHG is right. Drop Montreal into NY and it helps solve a couple of problems. NYY/NYM have way too much potential revenue compared to MIL/MON/KCR, et.al. The only way to truly have "competetive balance" is to even out the number of "potential fan base" per team. It's hard to do considering the US's current population densities, but 4 MLB teams in NYC would help to decimate the Yankees financial advantage more than any "revenue sharing" or "salary cap" scheme would.

Unfortunately with Angelos threatening litigation, Steinbrenner and whomever owns the Mess (Lipon? Wilson??) would sue the crap out of MLB for "damages".

A strong commissioner could make it work. Unfortunately Selig's version of strength consists of "this time it counts".

:gulp: 3 posts in 15 minutes. I need a break.

Cubbiesuck13
07-12-2004, 10:16 PM
hahahaha with Herr Selig in charge? Baseball needs a lot of work to truly have a renaissance, and it starts with him. PHG is right. Drop Montreal into NY and it helps solve a couple of problems. NYY/NYM have way too much potential revenue compared to MIL/MON/KCR, et.al. The only way to truly have "competetive balance" is to even out the number of "potential fan base" per team. It's hard to do considering the US's current population densities, but 4 MLB teams in NYC would help to decimate the Yankees financial advantage more than any "revenue sharing" or "salary cap" scheme would.

Unfortunately with Angelos threatening litigation, Steinbrenner and whomever owns the Mess (Lipon? Wilson??) would sue the crap out of MLB for "damages".

A strong commissioner could make it work. Unfortunately Selig's version of strength consists of "this time it counts".

:gulp: 3 posts in 15 minutes. I need a break.
yeah the new york area needs another team. gimme a break. tell me how exactly revenue sharing would not be as effective than giving new york ANOTHER team?

VaSoxfan
07-12-2004, 11:44 PM
I think the Expos should move to either Portland, Las Vegas or Salt Lake City. They should move over to the AL (in the West). Then Pittsburgh moves to the NL East and voila! Each league would have 3 5-team divisions. :D:

Washington should definately not get a 3rd chance at major league baseball!!
Sox fan here in Northern Virginia...you have to be kidding me. MLB will not put a team in Portland or LV. Both those locations are smaller than Montreal. None of the sites except for DC have a stadium ready to use. The positives to put a team in DC far outweigh the other locations. Norfolk? Give me a break. Monterrey? Yeah that would be good for baseball.

Saying that it didn't work here twice already is silly...this area has changed so much even in the years I've been here. The population is exploding...Loudon County where the Va Stadium would be built is the fastest growing county in the US. The economy in this area is growing at three times the national average. A team would definitley be supported here...

Angelos can whine and cry all he wants...but he's got himself to blame...for the past 5 years he's let his team erode away to nothing...they barely drew flies last year in that nice ballpark. His attendance and fan base have been plummeting ever since Ripken retired. Heck for us in Virginia with traffic it's impossible to get to Baltimore for a weeknight game anyway unless you take a half day off. The claim that putting a team in DC will severely hurt the O's is a ridiculous myth. Cable will suffer a bit...but if Angelos fields a decent team there should be plenty of fan base in Maryland for him.

It's time for him and his crony Selig to shut up and get this done. Baseball belongs in the DC area, not in any of these other markets. Last month Virginia gave MLB the exact stadium proposal they have been asking for. If MLB doesn't move the Spos here quick...then it's all just ridiculous politics and Selig watching out for his buddy.

MrRoboto83
07-13-2004, 12:03 AM
I agree on the RFK thing, i think the Expos should be playing there right now instead of fooling around like they are. Should be interesting to see what they do, I wouldnt be suprised if they are still in Montreal next year. I don't think there are any more markets available in the US other than Washington that could support 25-30K fans a game all season long. Unless they moved the team to New Jersey.

Cubbiesuck13
07-13-2004, 12:04 AM
Sox fan here in Northern Virginia...you have to be kidding me. MLB will not put a team in Portland or LV. Both those locations are smaller than Montreal. None of the sites except for DC have a stadium ready to use. The positives to put a team in DC far outweigh the other locations. Norfolk? Give me a break. Monterrey? Yeah that would be good for baseball.

Saying that it didn't work here twice already is silly...this area has changed so much even in the years I've been here. The population is exploding...Loudon County where the Va Stadium would be built is the fastest growing county in the US. The economy in this area is growing at three times the national average. A team would definitley be supported here...

Angelos can whine and cry all he wants...but he's got himself to blame...for the past 5 years he's let his team erode away to nothing...they barely drew flies last year in that nice ballpark. His attendance and fan base have been plummeting ever since Ripken retired. Heck for us in Virginia with traffic it's impossible to get to Baltimore for a weeknight game anyway unless you take a half day off. The claim that putting a team in DC will severely hurt the O's is a ridiculous myth. Cable will suffer a bit...but if Angelos fields a decent team there should be plenty of fan base in Maryland for him.

It's time for him and his crony Selig to shut up and get this done. Baseball belongs in the DC area, not in any of these other markets. Last month Virginia gave MLB the exact stadium proposal they have been asking for. If MLB doesn't move the Spos here quick...then it's all just ridiculous politics and Selig watching out for his buddy.
for all your points, only one of them matters. dc has a stadium proposal and the rest don't.

baseball in norfolk would make a lot of sense simply because of the number of people and the lack of pro teams. dc makes sense because of the politics and the stadium issue and thats is it.

the expansion era tried to get teams in places that were not close to other teams therefore making the game more popular. moving the team to norfolk would help that more than moving it to a place that has a team so close.

VaSoxfan
07-13-2004, 12:25 PM
for all your points, only one of them matters. dc has a stadium proposal and the rest don't.

baseball in norfolk would make a lot of sense simply because of the number of people and the lack of pro teams. dc makes sense because of the politics and the stadium issue and thats is it.

the expansion era tried to get teams in places that were not close to other teams therefore making the game more popular. moving the team to norfolk would help that more than moving it to a place that has a team so close.




DC makes sense for more than just the politics and stadium. Now that you mentioned it though, the stadium issue alone should be enough to sway the decision. Both DC and Northern Va have good proposals in place that meet what MLB wants. And, they already have RFK Stadium, a major league facility, ready for use until the new stadium is built. None of the other locations have a suitable, MLB-quality stadium.

But, money is key. As I said, this area is growing in population and economy which are huge for the long-standing success of a team. Again, none of the other locations can say that.

Moving the team to Norfolk does not make a lot of sense. There is probably a reason you don't have many pro teams. You barely average 6,000 in your 12,000 seat AAA ballpark. MLB in Norfolk might work for a while (alibeit in a substandard facility) but the novelty I think would wear off and can the city continue to support a team? And would they build a MLB-quality facility?

It's got to be DC...the 5th largest market in the country and far too many positives to ignore, all the sentimentalities aside.

Cubbiesuck13
07-14-2004, 01:33 AM
But, money is key. As I said, this area is growing in population and economy which are huge for the long-standing success of a team. Again, none of the other locations can say that.

Moving the team to Norfolk does not make a lot of sense. There is probably a reason you don't have many pro teams. You barely average 6,000 in your 12,000 seat AAA ballpark. MLB in Norfolk might work for a while (alibeit in a substandard facility) but the novelty I think would wear off and can the city continue to support a team? And would they build a MLB-quality facility?
the amount of disposable income in norfolk is more than any other place in the country i would bet. sure dc prolly has more overall money but i would be wiling to bet that the average 20 something with no family and no large bills would go to more games than the average 50 something with a family and the expenses that goes along with it. ok so that not be a very good point but i don't see how you could say that norfolk makes no sense. IMO, the only reason dc will get the teams is because of the ball park they have in place and the plan to build a new one. No other place can say that because no other place is willing to go out on a limb and start building for a team that is not a lock to come there. so yes, dc makes most sense but it is not because of the right reasons. it is simply selig up to his old tricks of blackmailing to get a park.

BigEdWalsh
07-14-2004, 08:48 AM
Sox fan here in Northern Virginia...you have to be kidding me. MLB will not put a team in Portland or LV. Both those locations are smaller than Montreal. None of the sites except for DC have a stadium ready to use. The positives to put a team in DC far outweigh the other locations. Norfolk? Give me a break. Monterrey? Yeah that would be good for baseball.

Saying that it didn't work here twice already is silly...this area has changed so much even in the years I've been here. The population is exploding...Loudon County where the Va Stadium would be built is the fastest growing county in the US. The economy in this area is growing at three times the national average. A team would definitley be supported here...

Angelos can whine and cry all he wants...but he's got himself to blame...for the past 5 years he's let his team erode away to nothing...they barely drew flies last year in that nice ballpark. His attendance and fan base have been plummeting ever since Ripken retired. Heck for us in Virginia with traffic it's impossible to get to Baltimore for a weeknight game anyway unless you take a half day off. The claim that putting a team in DC will severely hurt the O's is a ridiculous myth. Cable will suffer a bit...but if Angelos fields a decent team there should be plenty of fan base in Maryland for him.

It's time for him and his crony Selig to shut up and get this done. Baseball belongs in the DC area, not in any of these other markets. Last month Virginia gave MLB the exact stadium proposal they have been asking for. If MLB doesn't move the Spos here quick...then it's all just ridiculous politics and Selig watching out for his buddy.
Portland/Salem area is ranked 22nd in the Top 50 US Metropolitan areas.
http://www.publicpurpose.com/dm-usmet-fr50.htm:yup:
It's the only one in the top 25 without a major league baseball franchise. It's growing at a pretty high rate too. I don't think it's at all silly to worry about a franchise failing where 2 others have failed. Pretty logical if you ask me.:smile:

PaleHoseGeorge
07-14-2004, 09:41 AM
Instead of moving another baseball team to D.C., why not move the nation's capital to a place that could use the economic stimulus for the depressed local economy? For example, Natchez, Mississippi.

Suddenly Baltimore is the only viable baseball town left in the region. All the bureaucrats (and the government jobs) are sent packing.

Problem solved.

:gulp:

VaSoxfan
07-14-2004, 02:51 PM
the amount of disposable income in norfolk is more than any other place in the country i would bet. sure dc prolly has more overall money but i would be wiling to bet that the average 20 something with no family and no large bills would go to more games than the average 50 something with a family and the expenses that goes along with it. ok so that not be a very good point but i don't see how you could say that norfolk makes no sense. IMO, the only reason dc will get the teams is because of the ball park they have in place and the plan to build a new one. No other place can say that because no other place is willing to go out on a limb and start building for a team that is not a lock to come there. so yes, dc makes most sense but it is not because of the right reasons. it is simply selig up to his old tricks of blackmailing to get a park.

Well now you are just being unrealistic. Again, you barely fill half of your minor league park and you expect to get a MLB team? Plus you are ignoring the fact that the economy and population is not just growing, but exploding here in the DC/No Va area. That assures the long term success of a franchise here. It's not like the past two times when baseball didn't work.

Yes, having a MLB-stadium already in place is a key thing. Just look at the San Juan disaster. They aren't even averaging 10,000 fans there this year and it's a substandard facility. And yes, they have a plan to build a new one, but they aren't going to build it until the team is officially going to come here. But the fact they have drawn the plans and made the $$ available shows they are serious.

There are many solid reasons why DC/Va makes the most sense. Not just the fact that old RFK is over there. The other cities, while decent towns and while they might have some positives, simply don't come close when it comes to the current park, the plans for the new one, or the long term economic impact and potential fan base.

VaSoxfan
07-14-2004, 02:57 PM
Portland/Salem area is ranked 22nd in the Top 50 US Metropolitan areas.
http://www.publicpurpose.com/dm-usmet-fr50.htm:yup:
It's the only one in the top 25 without a major league baseball franchise. It's growing at a pretty high rate too. I don't think it's at all silly to worry about a franchise failing where 2 others have failed. Pretty logical if you ask me.:smile:

Looking at the DC/Va area 30 years ago, and looking at it now, are two totally different eras, especially economically. There is so much demand for a team here now, so much population boom, so many large companies...this team will do very well here this time around.

he_gone_89
07-14-2004, 07:48 PM
There is a High School in down state Illinois, they call themselves the "Bunnies" Fisher Illinois
you think thats bad,theres a high school thats also in downstate Illinois and they are called the pretzels:smile:


What Bud and the gang need to do is

1.get rid of the expos and devil rays
2.Move the Orioles from baltimore and put them in D.C and Call them the Maryland Orioles
3.Divide the league into 4 7-team divisions
with the playoff format of:
*Top 2 teams in each division go to playoffs,playing eachother in a best of 5 series with the winner going onto the championship series and soforth

also...
Eliminate the All-star game and replace it with a Winter 32-man Home Run Tournament with the winner getting a million dollar bonus by the League

ma-gaga
07-15-2004, 12:05 AM
yeah the new york area needs another team. gimme a break. tell me how exactly revenue sharing would not be as effective than giving new york ANOTHER team?
um. It's not that difficult. NY has a fixed number of people, we'll call it 15 million. Drop a new team into NY and call them the ... NY Spiders (terrible name, but it's just an example). You take away people that would spend their money on the Yankees and have them spend it on the Spiders.

Now you are right. IMO the biggest financial advantage the Yankees have is their cable deal which may be independant of another team, but I'm simply talking about diluting the Yankee fan base.

All I'm doing is taking fans (dollars) away from the Yankees and giving it to another local team. I'm not from Norfolk, I don't know how rich the residents are, and I don't know the population, but I'm sure it's a lot less than 1/3 of NY City. And that would be the break even point in my book.

I'm talking about per capita population. Each team should have 3-4 million potential fans. NY has 5 times as much, and no surprise they have 5+ times the revenues.

I like DC as a choice better than NY, but I realistically think that NY would handle the additional team better than any other potential relocation candidate.

Cubbiesuck13
07-15-2004, 01:21 AM
ma, i understand the idea of taking away yankee fans therfore taking away money but my question was how does that work better than revenue sharing? revenue sharing would take the yankees' cable deal as well as their ticket sales and merchendise sales and give them to 29 other teams, not just one.

ma-gaga
07-15-2004, 02:31 AM
ma, i understand the idea of taking away yankee fans therfore taking away money but my question was how does that work better than revenue sharing? revenue sharing would take the yankees' cable deal as well as their ticket sales and merchendise sales and give them to 29 other teams, not just one.oh. Ok. I was going the wrong way here.

The basic idea should be to reward the teams for increasing their profitability. Revenue sharing as it is currently set up doesn't. It encourages 20 teams to play minimum salary players and have the top 10 teams subsidize them.

I basically don't want to punish the Yankees, I just want to take away their natural advantage.

Does that make sense, or did I avoid the question?

Revenue sharing attacks the symptom (excess money for one team), I'd like MLB to address the problem (too many fans).

Cubbiesuck13
07-15-2004, 02:48 AM
oh. Ok. I was going the wrong way here.

The basic idea should be to reward the teams for increasing their profitability. Revenue sharing as it is currently set up doesn't. It encourages 20 teams to play minimum salary players and have the top 10 teams subsidize them.

I basically don't want to punish the Yankees, I just want to take away their natural advantage.

Does that make sense, or did I avoid the question?

Revenue sharing attacks the symptom (excess money for one team), I'd like MLB to address the problem (too many fans).
now i see what you were talking about all along. i don't know much about revenue sharing sharing but i think that something needs to be done without giving the north east/new york/new jersey area another team.

SoxEd
07-17-2004, 08:15 PM
Instead of moving another baseball team to D.C., why not move the nation's capital to a place that could use the economic stimulus for the depressed local economy? For example, Natchez, Mississippi.

Suddenly Baltimore is the only viable baseball town left in the region. All the bureaucrats (and the government jobs) are sent packing.

Problem solved.

:gulp:
They need to move the political capital here too - house prices in London are now so high that cops, teachers, firemen, nurses etc cannot afford to own houses there.

IMO Leeds should be made the political capital of the UK (it's about in the middle after all), and shift all the Civil Servants to it (along with the lobby firms).

Take some heat out of the London housing market and reduce the cost of the Civil Service too, whilst boosting a relatively underprivileged region.
Everybody wins!

Can't see the govt going for it though - whilst I personally like Leeds as a city, only an idiot would pretend that it has anywhere near the attractions/amenities available in London (especially for the MP living away from his family with a parliamentary expense account).

bigfoot
07-17-2004, 10:40 PM
They need to move the political capital here too - house prices in London are now so high that cops, teachers, firemen, nurses etc cannot afford to own houses there.

IMO Leeds should be made the political capital of the UK (it's about in the middle after all), and shift all the Civil Servants to it (along with the lobby firms).

Take some heat out of the London housing market and reduce the cost of the Civil Service too, whilst boosting a relatively underprivileged region.
Everybody wins!

Can't see the govt going for it though - whilst I personally like Leeds as a city, only an idiot would pretend that it has anywhere near the attractions/amenities available in London (especially for the MP living away from his family with a parliamentary expense account).
You wouldn't want the US gov to move there. First of all, you don't have enough hookers. Everything else is moot!

bigfoot
07-17-2004, 10:48 PM
No.Va/DCs the place. Vegas too hot, gambling hot!
DC, got $, people, transportation, interleague rival(O's), Lot's of lobbyist $ to buy skyboxes, many corp offices there, enough nightlife for the players to be PLAYAS, and that's where 'w' wants it dammit! He misses going to the ballpark. And one more thing, an anti-trust lawsuit to influence. Sooner or later.

Only real ?, what to call 'em.
I vote for the "Ticks".
Bloodsucking parasites, what else says D.C.?

Nick@Nite
07-18-2004, 06:59 AM
Because I'm relocating to Virginia by the end of this year, I'm all for the Expos to Senators idea... hey, I enjoy MLB.

I prefer D.C./Northern VA to Norfolk, but either one would do.

Chrisaway
07-19-2004, 04:37 AM
I wouldnt mind seeing the Expos in Jersey or DC. It'd gimmie something extra to do when im out there in the summer.:dtroll: