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Lip Man 1
07-05-2004, 09:30 PM
"But until those guys become stars, you always go for a proven Major Leaguer for a minor leaguer." -- Kenny Williams to White Sox.com

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Cowch44
07-05-2004, 09:32 PM
"But until those guys become stars, you always go for a proven Major Leaguer for a minor leaguer." -- Kenny Williams to White Sox.com
Rightfully said KW. What if Reed sucks past AAA? Like a lot of other guys.

Cuck the Fubs
07-05-2004, 09:35 PM
Rightfully said KW. What if Reed sucks past AAA? Like a lot of other guys.
Yes! Like Jeff Abbott,Scott Ruffcorn,Olmedao Sinezs.....etc etc....

JRIG
07-05-2004, 09:45 PM
Yes! Like Jeff Abbott,Scott Ruffcorn,Olmedao Sinezs.....etc etc....
Yep! Just like Frank Thomas, Robin Ventura, Jack McDowell, Alex Fernandez, Wilson Alvarez, Mark Buehrle, Keith Foulke, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko, and Magglio Ordonez, etc., etc.!

Everybody is in the minors at some point. To swear off keeping any prospect in exchange for a "proven" major leaguer is not the right strategy to take.

Of course, neither is relying on all the prospects to become contributors, because that doesn't happen either. It's about identifying who has the best chance to succeed.

Daver
07-05-2004, 09:53 PM
Yep! Just like Frank Thomas, Robin Ventura, Jack McDowell, Alex Fernandez, Wilson Alvarez, Mark Buehrle, Keith Foulke, Carlos Lee, Paul Konerko, and Magglio Ordonez, etc., etc.!

Everybody is in the minors at some point. To swear off keeping any prospect in exchange for a "proven" major leaguer is not the right strategy to take.

Of course, neither is relying on all the prospects to become contributors, because that doesn't happen either. It's about identifying who has the best chance to succeed.
Buehrle was a 42nd round pick.

Foulke was not from the Sox system, nor was Konerko.

Carlos Lee and Magglio Ordonez were not drafted, they were signed as minor league FA's.

An interesting note, Ron Schueler left Magglio available to the rule 5 draft, and was lucky enough to not have it bite him in the ass.

JRIG
07-05-2004, 09:56 PM
Buehrle was a 42nd round pick.

Foulke was not from the Sox system, nor was Konerko.

Carlos Lee and Magglio Ordonez were not drafted, they were signed as minor league FA's.

An interesting note, Ron Schueler left Magglio available to the rule 5 draft, and was lucky enough to not have it bite him in the ass.
It didn't appear KW was just talking about Sox prospects, but about all minor leaguers in general. And all those guys were in the minors at some point.

pudge
07-05-2004, 09:59 PM
Yes! Like Jeff Abbott,Scott Ruffcorn,Olmedao Sinezs.....etc etc....
Ignorance is bliss.

SEALgep
07-05-2004, 10:01 PM
"We hated to lose those guys [in the Seattle trade], but we also felt that we had some guys like that in our system," Wilder added. "Quite honestly, you have to wait and see what happens with a trade. But until those guys become stars, you always go for a proven Major Leaguer for a minor leaguer."

KW didn't say it, Dave Wilder did.

SEALgep
07-05-2004, 10:06 PM
Buehrle was a 42nd round pick.

Foulke was not from the Sox system, nor was Konerko.

Carlos Lee and Magglio Ordonez were not drafted, they were signed as minor league FA's.

An interesting note, Ron Schueler left Magglio available to the rule 5 draft, and was lucky enough to not have it bite him in the ass.Schueler was never a Maggs fan to begin with. It was KW who said that guy should be here, with Ron not agreeing. Once he was brought up and hit a homerun early on (maybe first game, not sure) Ron went up to KW and asked him if he was happy. He said he was released a month later.

Cowch44
07-05-2004, 10:06 PM
"We hated to lose those guys [in the Seattle trade], but we also felt that we had some guys like that in our system," Wilder added. "Quite honestly, you have to wait and see what happens with a trade. But until those guys become stars, you always go for a proven Major Leaguer for a minor leaguer."

KW didn't say it, Dave Wilder did.
Then in that case. Rightfully said Dave Wilder.

SEALgep
07-05-2004, 10:06 PM
Then in that case. Rightfully said Dave Wilder.Agreed.

JRIG
07-05-2004, 10:09 PM
Then in that case. Rightfully said Dave Wilder.
Doesn't matter who in the organization said it. If you're working within a (relatively) small budget, you can't cash in your inexpensive, league minimum players who may be able to contribute for "proven" major leaguers who are arbitration eligible or soon to be free agents.

Cuck the Fubs
07-05-2004, 10:17 PM
I think KW made the right move.....183 combined seasons of futility needs to end.

And I for one do NOT want to see the idiots on the North side win it all 1st!

SEALgep
07-05-2004, 10:30 PM
Doesn't matter who in the organization said it. If you're working within a (relatively) small budget, you can't cash in your inexpensive, league minimum players who may be able to contribute for "proven" major leaguers who are arbitration eligible or soon to be free agents.That's fine when you think about the future, and have a relatively weak minor league system. With Maggs, and several other potential FA possible leaving, now is the ideal time to go for it. When you don't have a Yankee payroll, you have to pick and choose when you really go for it. This is our time. Our club will always be competitive, but this year is the time to think beyond that. Besides, Garcia will more than likely be extended, and it was vital we got him as soon as we could.

Lip Man 1
07-05-2004, 10:35 PM
Actually it was Ozzie who told Schueler about Maggs and after Maggs hit that home run he made that comment.

Ozzie was talking about it a few weeks ago in the newspapers.

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jackbrohamer
07-05-2004, 10:37 PM
Schueler was never a Maggs fan to begin with.

In spring training 1998 when Maggs and Jeff Abbott were going to make the opening day roster, Schueler said that Abbott had the talent to become a batting champion one day. Didn't say much about Maggs that I recall. Missed the mark a bit on that one.............

Man Soo Lee
07-06-2004, 04:25 AM
From the same story: (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_news.jsp?ymd=20040705&content_id=789947&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp)

"Without a doubt, they wanted Borchard," said Wilder of Seattle's interest in Borchard for Garcia. "We feel like if Joe will be a star, he will be a star in Chicago. He has that type of ability."Is Wilder just hyping the guy that's still in the organization or did the Sox prefer Borchard to Reed?

Dadawg_77
07-06-2004, 12:43 PM
Man more evidence of why the Sox won't ever put together a great team under Kenny Williams. The man needs to be fired for the Sox to succeed.

Flight #24
07-06-2004, 12:47 PM
Man more evidence of why the Sox won't ever put together a great team under Kenny Williams. The man needs to be fired for the Sox to succeed.
I suppose it's too much to ask that we actually wait and see how Borchard and Reed do in the majors before coming to that conclusion, huh? Or are you basing that on all the all-star hitters the Sox have given up on?

Dadawg_77
07-06-2004, 12:56 PM
I suppose it's too much to ask that we actually wait and see how Borchard and Reed do in the majors before coming to that conclusion, huh? Or are you basing that on all the all-star hitters the Sox have given up on?
I am basing it on what I believe will happen. To make a final determination will take time, but right now, Kenny only discourages any hope I have for the Sox.