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WinningUgly!
07-05-2004, 01:19 PM
With the Kendall rumor floating around, this is interesting...

Littlefield indicated that acquiring a position player is "definitely the priority" should the Pirates make a trade. He noted the Pirates are "in pretty good shape" regarding pitching at the major-league, Class AAA and Class AA levels. "We're trying to find position players to fit around the people we have," he said. "We need some additions there. First base is a question and third base is a hole. Center field, we'll see where this goes with [Tike Redman]. He's still a young player and we'll go through growing pains at times with him. He'll have his ups and downs -- it's been mostly downs [this season] -- but he's showing [positive] signs recently."
Linkage (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04187/341953.stm)

Dadawg_77
07-05-2004, 02:00 PM
With the Kendall rumor floating around, this is interesting...


Linkage (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04187/341953.stm)
Uribe could play third.

beckett21
07-05-2004, 02:29 PM
Maybe if they hadn't given away their franchise 3B to the Flubs for a rosin bag, they wouldn't be in such a predicament.

Word has it that Mesa trade rumors have also begun...:o:

Tread lightly, KW. I'd love to get Kendall, but I'm more than a little leery of that deal because of the financials and the prospects the Buckos would probably insist upon. And for as good as Joe Table has been this year, we all know his true identity:

:gascan

beckett21
07-05-2004, 02:31 PM
Uribe could play third.I'd be remiss if I let that one slip by Dawg. :D:

Uribe has been nothing short of awful lately, no doubt about it. Hopefully he turns things around soon. I continue to hold out faith that he will.

Cowch44
07-05-2004, 09:06 PM
If they traded Kendall they'd need another cathcer. I saw Wilson playing Catcher the other day but he wasn't very good. So assuming they wouldn't want one of our old or bad catchers we'd have to give up more minor leaguers.

Brian26
07-05-2004, 10:25 PM
Uribe could play third.
My sentiments exactly. Is the Joe Crede experiment finally over?

WinningUgly!
07-05-2004, 10:52 PM
My sentiments exactly. Is the Joe Crede experiment finally over?
Yeah, he only hit .329 in the month of June. :rolleyes:

Brian26
07-06-2004, 12:41 AM
Yeah, he only hit .329 in the month of June. :rolleyes:
What about April and May, though?

Brian26
07-06-2004, 12:43 AM
What about April and May, though?
He's batting .236 as we reach the halfway point of the season.

Brian26
07-06-2004, 12:45 AM
Trying to compare Crede's career to Ventura's...

Ventura 1989=Crede 2001
Ventura 1990= Crede 2002
Ventura 1991= Crede 2003
Ventura 1992= Crede 2004 (I think this might be where the comparison stops....pretty sure Ventura had his act together by mid-92).

Man Soo Lee
07-06-2004, 01:29 AM
In '91, Ventura hit .284/.367/.442 with 23 HRs and 100 RBIs. I think the comparison stops much earlier.

WinningUgly!
07-06-2004, 09:25 AM
In '91, Ventura hit .284/.367/.442 with 23 HRs and 100 RBIs. I think the comparison stops much earlier.
Ventura was also hitting with Frank Thomas behind him. Crede is usually hitting in the 8 hole.

Robin Ventura's 1st 1144 at bats (1989-1991)
HR-28 RBI-161 AVG-.265
Joe Crede's 1st 1058 at bats (2000-04)
HR-43 RBI-157 AVG-.259

Flight #24
07-06-2004, 10:49 AM
He's batting .236 as we reach the halfway point of the season.
Which is actualy consistent with or better than his historical splits. IIRC, he hit something like .308 in the 2d half last year, and appears to have turned that corner a bit early this year. Given his D, and his ability to hit in at least a half a season, it's WAY to early to give up on him. It's just a question of getting him to work out whatever struggles he has in the 1st half in ST and turning that "good 2d half" into a "good 3/4" and eventually a "good year".

Win1ForMe
07-06-2004, 12:58 PM
Yeah, he only hit .329 in the month of June. :rolleyes:The FOCC rise again. I guess his "hot" June erased memories of a .184 May. :?:

Personally, I like my players to show up for an entire season, not parts of it. Combine that with Crede's long swing, poor hitting approach, and a .154 average with RISP and I've seen enough.

Dadawg_77
07-06-2004, 01:04 PM
My sentiments exactly. Is the Joe Crede experiment finally over?
Brian and Beckett,
I was hoping Juan would be wearing black and gold while playing third.

Win1ForMe
07-06-2004, 01:06 PM
Ventura was also hitting with Frank Thomas behind him. Crede is usually hitting in the 8 hole.

Robin Ventura's 1st 1144 at bats (1989-1991)
HR-28 RBI-161 AVG-.265
Joe Crede's 1st 1058 at bats (2000-04)
HR-43 RBI-157 AVG-.259I'd say this is a much better hitting period than '89-'91. The comparison, therefore, isn't entirely accurate.

Man Soo Lee
07-06-2004, 03:16 PM
Ventura was also hitting with Frank Thomas behind him. Crede is usually hitting in the 8 hole.

Robin Ventura's 1st 1144 at bats (1989-1991)
HR-28 RBI-161 AVG-.265
Joe Crede's 1st 1058 at bats (2000-04)
HR-43 RBI-157 AVG-.259
Robin's OBP was about .346 vs. Joe's .303.

Ventura was 22-24 years old in this period. Most of Crede's at bats are at 24-26.

beckett21
07-06-2004, 11:37 PM
Brian and Beckett,
I was hoping Juan would be wearing black and gold while playing third.Dawg:

I know what you meant. Believe me.