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Viva Magglio
07-05-2004, 11:06 AM
We know that Kenny Williams has to and probably will make at least one more move for the second half. If you're KW, what move would you make?

Kogs35
07-05-2004, 11:16 AM
We know that Kenny Williams has to and probably will make at least one more move for the second half. If you're KW, what move would you make?
get another bullpen guy clsoer or setup guy. and then go get jason kendall

harwar
07-05-2004, 11:19 AM
Western Montana is the place to be these days.:wink:Planning on moving there myself next year.
But anyway i think that with anyone and everone looking for pitching it will not be like other years.We already got a starter who other teams had coveted,but i can't help but wonder how much R.Johnson would cost now that the Dbacks have said they are willing to move him.
I'm hoping that the offense will be ok with Maggs coming back and Crede and Lee having monster 2nd halves(fingers crossed).
I think what we really need is a good solid closer(who doesn't).Several teams are looking for one however so to that i say good luck.

jamteh
07-05-2004, 11:21 AM
I agree. Release Mike Jackson and get a solid arm in the pen, and then trade for a catcher. Kendall would be great if we can get him for midlevel prospects and/or have Pittsburgh pay most of his salary at least for the rest of this year.

viagracat
07-05-2004, 11:23 AM
I agree. Release Mike Jackson and get a solid arm in the pen, and then trade for a catcher. Kendall would be great if we can get him for midlevel prospects and/or have Pittsburgh pay most of his salary at least for the rest of this year.
Pittsburgh has all of a sudden won nine in a row. If that keeps up Kendall might not become available.

joeynach
07-05-2004, 11:36 AM
We know that Kenny Williams has to and probably will make at least one more move for the second half. If you're KW, what move would you make?
Definatly need a new lead off man. I dont care what position. We need our own Crawford, or Pierre, or i dont know. This team gets rolling with solid production for #1 and #2. We need better hitting and better on base % lead off guy, then this offense takes off.

Lip Man 1
07-05-2004, 11:46 AM
Pitching, pitching and more pitching.


Lip

CWSGuy406
07-05-2004, 11:50 AM
Set up a deal for Kendall and Meadows with Pitt paying a bunch of Kendall's remaining salary. Include Jon Rauch among others on the deal - unfortunately it won't be that easy, but I wouldn't mind seeing those two in Sox uni's.

jordan23ventura
07-05-2004, 04:16 PM
Pittsburgh has all of a sudden won nine in a row. If that keeps up Kendall might not become available.
What are you talking about? Pittsburgh is always selling. I don't know what they're trying to do there, but it's definately not "rebuilding."

SoxxoS
07-05-2004, 04:22 PM
Pitching, pitching and more pitching.


Lip
We need someone to get on base at the top of the order. It is looking more and more like Uribe and Harris' regression is more the rule...not the exception.

Willies OPS is something in the mid six-hundreds. He doesn't steal bases, either. We can't afford to keep up this experiment too much longer...give them 2 more weeks and go from there. Someone has got to set the table.

lowesox
07-05-2004, 05:13 PM
Guardado and Crawford. At this point, we might as well give up whatever it takes. It's this year or never.

OEO Magglio
07-05-2004, 05:17 PM
Guardado and Crawford. At this point, we might as well give up whatever it takes. It's this year or never.Crawford isn't going anywhere. I'm also really tired of hearing it's this year or never, wasn't that said last year? Next year when the sox are back in the race and if kenny trades some prospects we're all going to hear again well it's this year or never. Get over it, the sox will have a solid core for years to come and will always be in the divisional race with the division they play in.

eurotrash35
07-05-2004, 05:34 PM
We've got to do something to get Beltran if he comes onto the market again. I'd also like to echo getting somebody else for the top of the order. I'm pretty confident in the pitching right now, I think we'll be all right. If we could get somebody stronger in the bullpen that would be great, but I think Mike Jackson still has value to us in terms of experience and helping out the younger guys, so I'd like to hold on to him.

I think as far as pitching goes we should take a wait and see approach, seeing as we have a month to the deadline and quite a few questions within our rotation right now that we need to work out before we should decide whether or not to get another starter.

Cowch44
07-05-2004, 07:10 PM
We've got to do something to get Beltran if he comes onto the market again.
Why would you trade a rent-a-player?
This will not happen.

DickAllen72
07-05-2004, 07:16 PM
We know that Kenny Williams has to and probably will make at least one more move for the second half. If you're KW, what move would you make?

Joe Crede, Ben Davis + Prospect for Miguel Olivo and Eddie Guardado.
:rolleyes:

DickAllen72
07-05-2004, 07:18 PM
Why would you trade a rent-a-player?
This will not happen.

If the Astros completely go into the tank for the next few weeks, it could happen.

fuzzy_patters
07-05-2004, 07:27 PM
I am with Lip on this one. We need to get some more pitching. This team is good enough now to make the playoffs, but we will need better pitching to win when we get there. If the Yankees pick up Johnson, they will have Johnson, Vazquez, and Mussina. We have no chance against them unless we go get a true number one pitcher of our own.

Palehose13
07-05-2004, 07:53 PM
First priority: Bullpen. I don't think it has to be a closer, cause I think Shingo is fine in that role. A good set up guy would be nice.

Second priority: Jason Kendall

Cuck the Fubs
07-05-2004, 08:00 PM
Kendall would be nice.......but I think the Pirates will want the farm.

If Maggs gets back ASAP, it will be just like making a major move. We've missed him the last few games no doubt....that's our biggest hole right now!!!

OEO Magglio
07-05-2004, 08:04 PM
[QUOTE=Cuck the Fubs]Kendall would be nice.......but I think the Pirates will want the farm.

QUOTE]
If the sox would pick up all of kendalls salary I bet we'd be able to trade ben davis for him. But that obviously isn't going to happen because the sox won't take on all that salary. The pirates won't ask for to much, we'd just have to trade our own version of bobby hill.

Cuck the Fubs
07-05-2004, 08:11 PM
If KW could pull off a Davis for Kendall he'd be DA MAN!

OEO Magglio
07-05-2004, 08:13 PM
If KW could pull off a Davis for Kendall he'd be DA MAN!Well that was obviously an exaggeration but my point is I don't think it would take that much to get kendall because the pirates just want to dump as much salary as possible.

Cuck the Fubs
07-05-2004, 08:16 PM
Hey....anything is possible....look at the highway robbery the Flubbies pulled off with Pitt last year!

Lip Man 1
07-05-2004, 08:21 PM
Folks:

Keep in mind the Cubs pulled off highway robbery last year because they were willing to take on those salaries. Remember clubs below you in the standings have first right to pick up players, if they don't it moves 'up the ladder.' teams below the Cubs didn't want to take the salaries on even if those guys could have helped them.

That's the question for the Sox isn't it? Are they willing to take on that additional payroll. We'll see.

Lip

Palehose13
07-05-2004, 08:27 PM
That's the question for the Sox isn't it? Are they willing to take on that additional payroll. We'll see.

Lip

Supposedly JR has stated that is willing to do so to make a run for it this year. However, as you so eloquently stated...we'll see.

DickAllen72
07-05-2004, 10:43 PM
We know that Kenny Williams has to and probably will make at least one more move for the second half. If you're KW, what move would you make?

Since they have Jerry Hairston Jr., I wonder if the Orioles would entertain offers for Brian Roberts?

Or if they would be willing to deal Javy Lopez? (I'd still rather get Kendall)

Roberts would look good at the top of our batting order. If we were able to get him to lead off and Kendall to bat second...the table would be nicely set for our power hitters.

OEO Magglio
07-05-2004, 10:49 PM
Since they have Jerry Hairston Jr., I wonder if the Orioles would entertain offers for Brian Roberts?

Or if they would be willing to deal Javy Lopez? (I'd still rather get Kendall)

Roberts would look good at the top of our batting order. If we were able to get him to lead off and Kendall to bat second...the table would be nicely set for our power hitters.No thanks to Javy but I would absolutely love to have Brian Roberts. There were so many rumors surrounding him when the season started but now they've all seemed to calm down, I wonder if Baltimore would still trade him.

OurBitchinMinny
07-05-2004, 10:53 PM
I dont know what his next move will be, but he has to make more. The feeling Im getting up here is that the twins are going to make a move or two. They had scouts in Pittsburgh watching benson. Sheets name has come up as well as finley in arizona. Pohlad seems to be willing to take on some payroll

guillen4life13
07-05-2004, 10:55 PM
Ozzie Guillen and Ugueth Urbina are reportedly good friends. He'd be a good back-end guy to have in the pen as an alternative to Shingo (or maybe even priority over Shingo). If not, he's a really reliable setup man.

I'll be honest though, I don't know how he's doing this year and I'm too lazy to check.

SEALgep
07-05-2004, 10:56 PM
Folks:

Keep in mind the Cubs pulled off highway robbery last year because they were willing to take on those salaries. Remember clubs below you in the standings have first right to pick up players, if they don't it moves 'up the ladder.' teams below the Cubs didn't want to take the salaries on even if those guys could have helped them.

That's the question for the Sox isn't it? Are they willing to take on that additional payroll. We'll see.

LipThat was a different scenerio though, only Rameriz was signed past that season, and he is only signed through this year. Kendall's contract is for four more years I believe, and is obnoxious. He's a very good player, but even the Pirates know they aren't going to be able to move that contract without picking up at least a certain portion. It's most likely going to be a direct correlation of prospects vs. salary picked up.

SEALgep
07-05-2004, 11:01 PM
Ozzie Guillen and Ugueth Urbina are reportedly good friends. He'd be a good back-end guy to have in the pen as an alternative to Shingo (or maybe even priority over Shingo). If not, he's a really reliable setup man.

I'll be honest though, I don't know how he's doing this year and I'm too lazy to check.Not super, but not bad. However, if he were such good friends with Ozzie, he probably wouldn't have threatened to hold out all season long if his contract demands weren't met. He'd be a nice addition probably, but would he demand the closer spot? There are others out there IMO that are good options as well and probably would cost us much less, both in prospects and financially.

OEO Magglio
07-05-2004, 11:06 PM
Not super, but not bad. However, if he were such good friends with Ozzie, he probably wouldn't have threatened to hold out all season long if his contract demands weren't met. He'd be a nice addition probably, but would he demand the closer spot? There are others out there IMO that are good options as well and probably would cost us much less, both in prospects and financially.I doubt uggy would demand to be the closer, when he was traded to florida last year at first he was the setup man to braden looper. I'd love to get uggy to be the right handed setup man.

bmac5001
07-05-2004, 11:21 PM
i'd say first priority is a solid bullpen guy, urbina would be excellent in my opinion. if the deal's right another starter wouldn't hurt i suppose, but i think (and hope) we'll probably be alright there. It would be nice to get Kendall, and i think there is a good chance we will, only time will tell though. There's no doubt the Pirates will eat at least some of his salary wherever he goes though. They've been trying to get rid of him (unsuccessfully) for awhile now. The type of deal they get will probably decide how much of his salary they do take on, as i believe someone already stated. Either way, i'm anxious to see another deal get done with all these rumours floating around, teasing me.

Lip Man 1
07-06-2004, 12:09 PM
While Urbina was holding out this spring he stayed at Ozzie's house. But do you really think the Tigers who are fighting to finish at or better then .500 are going to trade him, especially to a divisional rival?

With only two off days the second half of the season (barring rainouts) the Sox need pitching, pitching and more pitching.

A decent long / middle man who can make a spot start (a la Kirk McCaskill) and at least another reliable bullpen arm who can set up.

Lip

Flight #24
07-06-2004, 12:27 PM
While Urbina was holding out this spring he stayed at Ozzie's house. But do you really think the Tigers who are fighting to finish at or better then .500 are going to trade him, especially to a divisional rival?

With only two off days the second half of the season (barring rainouts) the Sox need pitching, pitching and more pitching.

A decent long / middle man who can make a spot start (a la Kirk McCaskill) and at least another reliable bullpen arm who can set up.

Lip
Which, coincidentally, are IIRC the type of guys who get dealt at the deadline to anyone willing to eat salary.

Tekijawa
07-06-2004, 12:57 PM
I want one guy who gets a Base hit every day, or can bunt. He can even strike out everytime in the games where our "offense" is actually at the game. And if possible this guy should have a cool name like Jamboni Twizzerfestski