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nitetrain8601
07-04-2004, 06:23 PM
they beat the good teams with good pitching. This year it looks like Ozzie reversed everything Manuel did including winning against good teams with pitching. In years before we were able to beat teams like the Yankees, the Red Sox(haven't played them yet) kill the Cubs and such and such. Why the hell can't this team all of a sudden beat good teams?

RKMeibalane
07-04-2004, 06:26 PM
they beat the good teams with good pitching. This year it looks like Ozzie reversed everything Manuel did including winning against good teams with pitching. In years before we were able to beat teams like the Yankees, the Red Sox(haven't played them yet) kill the Cubs and such and such. Why the hell can't this team all of a sudden beat good teams?
Not another one of these threads. Sheesh!

samram
07-04-2004, 06:32 PM
they beat the good teams with good pitching. This year it looks like Ozzie reversed everything Manuel did including winning against good teams with pitching. In years before we were able to beat teams like the Yankees, the Red Sox(haven't played them yet) kill the Cubs and such and such. Why the hell can't this team all of a sudden beat good teams?
Being tied for first (and hopefully a 1/2 game ahead in about 30 minutes) in July, in my humble opinion, would make a team a contender. An AL team having a difficult time in an NL park while having its two best hitters out of the lineup is not an indicator of how well a team can perform.

TomParrish79
07-04-2004, 06:41 PM
Well its official, no matter whats happening, someone will always find a reason to bitch about something.

TornLabrum
07-04-2004, 06:41 PM
Let me be the first to say:

:threadblows:

WinningUgly!
07-04-2004, 06:52 PM
they beat the good teams with good pitching. This year it looks like Ozzie reversed everything Manuel did including winning against good teams with pitching. In years before we were able to beat teams like the Yankees, the Red Sox(haven't played them yet) kill the Cubs and such and such. Why the hell can't this team all of a sudden beat good teams?
Mussina
Halladay
Batista
Silva (twice)
Santana
Garcia
Zambrano
Maddux
Radke

:dtroll: Nope. We never beat good pitching.:dtroll:

fquaye149
07-04-2004, 07:15 PM
The Sox aren't a contender until:

The doom-cryers stop starting Sox aren't contender threads.

How's that for a catch-22.

nitetrain8601
07-04-2004, 07:40 PM
Mussina
Halladay
Batista
Silva (twice)
Santana
Garcia
Zambrano
Maddux
Radke

:dtroll: Nope. We never beat good pitching.:dtroll:

ERA's
Halladay - 3.83 (isn't great)
Batista - 3.73 (isn't great)
Silva (twice) - 4.23 (isn't great)
Santana - 4.22 (isn't great)
Garcia - 3.20(with Sea)(great)
Zambrano - 2.41(great)
Maddux - 4.43(isn't great + we loss against him as well)
Radke - 3.70(isn't great)

I consider good pitching to be under 3.50. Great Pitching under 3.00. None of those pitchers have that with the exception of two. This thread may blow to you because it's reality.

Cowch44
07-04-2004, 07:46 PM
I consider good pitching to be under 3.50. Great Pitching under 3.00. None of those pitchers have that with the exception of two. This thread may blow to you because it's reality.In this case....you have 24 good pitchers in the MLB and 11 great pitcher...you're putting great too highly..

CWSGuy406
07-04-2004, 07:47 PM
ERA's
Halladay - 3.83 (isn't great)
Batista - 3.73 (isn't great)
Silva (twice) - 4.23 (isn't great)
Santana - 4.22 (isn't great)
Garcia - 3.20(with Sea)(great)
Zambrano - 2.41(great)
Maddux - 4.43(isn't great + we loss against him as well)
Radke - 3.70(isn't great)

I consider good pitching to be under 3.50. Great Pitching under 3.00. None of those pitchers have that with the exception of two. This thread may blow to you because it's reality.
If 3.73 ERA in the AL East isn't great to you, then wow... :rolleyes:

Cowch44
07-04-2004, 07:48 PM
oh and 8 of those 11 pitchers are in the NL..so how are we supposed to beat a pitcher that we don't face?

WinningUgly!
07-04-2004, 07:53 PM
ERA's
Halladay - 3.83 (isn't great)
Batista - 3.73 (isn't great)
Silva (twice) - 4.23 (isn't great)
Santana - 4.22 (isn't great)
Garcia - 3.20(with Sea)(great)
Zambrano - 2.41(great)
Maddux - 4.43(isn't great + we loss against him as well)
Radke - 3.70(isn't great)

I consider good pitching to be under 3.50. Great Pitching under 3.00. None of those pitchers have that with the exception of two. This thread may blow to you because it's reality.

Pull your head out of your ass & step away from the computer. :)

TornLabrum
07-04-2004, 07:54 PM
One wonders if some who post here quit actually following baseball sometime before the 1969 expansion.

voodoochile
07-04-2004, 07:56 PM
One wonders if some who post here quit actually following baseball sometime before the 1969 expansion.
Or if they are just trolling...

munchman33
07-04-2004, 09:44 PM
ERA's
Halladay - 3.83 (isn't great)
Batista - 3.73 (isn't great)
Silva (twice) - 4.23 (isn't great)
Santana - 4.22 (isn't great)
Garcia - 3.20(with Sea)(great)
Zambrano - 2.41(great)
Maddux - 4.43(isn't great + we loss against him as well)
Radke - 3.70(isn't great)

I consider good pitching to be under 3.50. Great Pitching under 3.00. None of those pitchers have that with the exception of two. This thread may blow to you because it's reality.
You're an idiot. And Silva's era is 4.23 because of us. The dudes 8-3, and all three losses are against the White Sox, who crushed him all three times. Santana had a horrible start to the season, but is probably the best pitcher in the A.L. in the last six weeks (during which we beat him). Halladay won the Cy Young last year. Radke was among the league leaders in ERA until we bombed him last week. Oh, and Flubs Maddux beat us in an N.L. park, where we get no D.H. and lose our best hitter.

So shut your mouth. I'm so sick of these Damn Trolls. :dtroll:

RKMeibalane
07-04-2004, 10:00 PM
:threadblows:

OEO Magglio
07-04-2004, 10:04 PM
Well this team is definitely a contender but this is definitely going to hurt a lot if they get swept by the flubs.