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cheeses_h_rice
07-02-2004, 10:24 PM
coming up soon.

Gee, why do I think this one won't go the Sox's way?

inta
07-02-2004, 10:42 PM
Well that made me puke.

cheeses_h_rice
07-02-2004, 10:45 PM
What a POS segment THAT was.

:angry:

US Cellular Field 181 incidents vs. 84 at Wrigley the last 4 seasons. They only counted crimes commited on "park property" that "were reported to police." I.e., dumb fan behavior, the likes of which happens all the time at Wrigley, didn't count. It also didn't count crimes commited OUTSIDE the ballpark property.

3.14 incidents per 100,000 fans vs. 0.50 vs. 100,000 fans at Wrigley.

Lester Munson (Flubfan jagbag) was quoted as saying "It's dangerous to go to Sox Park." Yeah, Les, I've only been multiple dozens of times, and I crap my pants every time I head south of Madison. Assh*le.

Wally Jacobson (former Flub batboy) said, "It's because Sox fans get so frustrated. Because, until recently, they haven't been winning."

Wally, WHO. YOU. CRAPPIN.???? Do you REALIZE what your Flubbies have been doing the last 40 ****ing years????

RKMeibalane
07-02-2004, 10:45 PM
I can't find the words to express how tiresome this idea of comparing crime rates at each park has become. Nowhere else in sports are fans treated to this kind of bull****. The Chicago media have to be the largest collection of morons on the entire planet.

Aidan
07-02-2004, 10:45 PM
They only counted incidents WITHIN the actual ball parks. I have a feeling if they counted incidents in the respective ball park's surrounding areas, the result would be different. After all, wasn't there a murder just outside of Wrigley a couple of months ago. The area around the Cell is getting better and the Bridgeport Police Department is close by.

itsnotrequired
07-02-2004, 10:48 PM
Yikes, almost twice as many arrests in the park at the Cell than Wrigley? I was suprised by that. Since the Cubs draw so many more fans, there is something like 3 arrests for every 100,000 fans at the Cell yet only .5 arrests for every 100,000 fans at Wrigley! So why is this?

1) Wrigley has more "intense" security so people are less likely to act out?

2) Security "looks the other way" at a lot of incidents at Wrigley?

3) Security at the Cell has a "zero tolerance" policy so arrests more people?

At the end, the reporter stressed that this includes events ONLY inside the park. That just begged the question as to what those numbers would look like if the neighborhood was thrown in...

Aidan
07-02-2004, 10:48 PM
What a POS segment THAT was.

:angry:

US Cellular Field 181 incidents vs. 84 at Wrigley the last 4 seasons. They only counted crimes commited on "park property" that "were reported to police." I.e., dumb fan behavior, the likes of which happens all the time at Wrigley, didn't count. It also didn't count crimes commited OUTSIDE the ballpark property.

3.14 incidents per 100,000 fans vs. 0.50 vs. 100,000 fans at Wrigley.

Lester Munson (Flubfan jagbag) was quoted as saying "It's dangerous to go to Sox Park." Yeah, Les, I've only been multiple dozens of times, and I crap my pants every time I head south of Madison. Assh*le.

Wally Jacobson (former Flub batboy) said, "It's because Sox fans get so frustrated. Because, until recently, they haven't been winning."

Wally, WHO. YOU. CRAPPIN.???? Do you REALIZE what your Flubbies have been doing the last 40 ****ing years????I couldn't have said it better myself. Between Lester Munson and Walter Jacobson sucking off the Scrubbies, I wanted to puke. I am fearful for my life when I go to a Sox game! :rolleyes: 'Ol Wally neglected to mention that the Sox have had more winning seasons than the Cubs in the past 10 years.

Blob
07-02-2004, 10:49 PM
They only counted incidents WITHIN the actual ball parks. I have a feeling if they counted incidents in the respective ball park's surrounding areas, the result would be different. After all, wasn't there a murder just outside of Wrigley a couple of months ago. The area around the Cell is getting better and the Bridgeport Police Department is close by.
Exactly, just two blocks south and two blocks west of the Cell there are a few million dollar homes. These were built in the last 2-3 years. If the area was that bad, would these people be building elaborate housing like this???

More media hype! Make the stats work to fit what is news worthy!!!!

hsnterprize
07-02-2004, 10:53 PM
Exactly, just two blocks south and two blocks west of the Cell there are a few million dollar homes. These were built in the last 2-3 years. If the area was that bad, would these people be building elaborate housing like this???

More media hype! Make the stats work to fit what is news worthy!!!!Hype, hype, hype. What a bunch of crock. Just when the Sox were starting to finally break out of that "second team" shelll, the media nearly puts them right back in it.

How are people going to convince the masses that U.S. Cellular Field is a good place to watch a baseball game when stuff like this is going out over the airwaves? Ridiculous. Glad I didn't watch the segment.

inta
07-02-2004, 11:33 PM
After Walter Jacobson's comments after the sox clinched in 2000, i will never respect that POS drunk driver.

Flight #24
07-02-2004, 11:38 PM
After Walter Jacobson's comments after the sox clinched in 2000, i will never respect that POS drunk driver.
Please share, I'm unaware of Wally's comments.

Viva Magglio
07-02-2004, 11:50 PM
Well, it's a popular belief that Fox News Channel on cable has a pro-conservative bias. I guess that Fox News Chicago has a pro-Cub bias.

This clearly was an attempt to slander us. No doubt about it.

To say that the media is biased against us would be too subtle. I think the media is prejudiced against us! Bias is one thing, but prejudice is a much stronger thing. It's the latter the media has for us. I still think that the media is pissed off at how well things have been going (winning first Cubs series, getting Garcia, and sweeping Minnesota). They could not stand it so they had to slander us in an effort to puncture our balloon.

gobears1987
07-03-2004, 12:13 AM
What do you expect from an anchor that can :gulp: Harry Caray under the table?

*celebrates double burn*:bandance::supernana::bandance:

SaltyPretzel
07-03-2004, 12:14 AM
Please share, I'm unaware of Wally's comments.
He accused the Sox of promoting alcohol abuse since they were drinking during the 2000 division win in Minnesota. He singled out Konerko for drinking a beer and running around the bases. Of course, the consumption of alcohol is frowned upon over at Wrigley.

gobears1987
07-03-2004, 12:17 AM
He accused the Sox of promoting alcohol abuse since they were drinking during the 2000 division win in Minnesota. He singled out Konerko for drinking a beer and running around the bases. Of course, the consumption of alcohol is frowned upon over at Wrigley. I'm also sure that :gulp: is frowned upon in Wally's car:D:

hsnterprize
07-03-2004, 12:32 AM
You know something...I really wish I had some more influence in the press. It's tough being a part-time news/sports producer and anchor when you're seeing so much crap coming from the top. Look...I'm not going to dispute hard facts and numbers, but do these morons in the Chicago media get it as to why the Sox and their fans are like we are?

I know I speak for all of us when I say I'm sick and tired of constantly having to defend the Sox, the players, the fans, the ballpark, and basically "all things Sox" over and over again against the world we know as "Cubdom." Look, it's like what another poster said...it's almost on the verge of prejudice and (my addition) jealousy that the Sox have seemed to finally break away from the "Cubs shadow" to forge their own identity, and someone had to try and squelch the momentum. And you wonder why the Sox are quick to blame the media when something negative comes across the wires?

I hate to sound like it's hopeless or to come off as being "negative", "whiny", "bitter", and all the other adjectives people put on us Sox fans. But I'm really tired of constantly fighting all this negativity coming from all sides. It's like I'm thinking if the Sox were to win the World Series tomorrow, someone in the press would find something bad to say about it, as if to imply if the Cubs were in that same fate, all would be well, perfect, and holy. It's almost like we can't win for losing.

I personally didn't see the report, so I can't comment on it per se. However, if the tone of the piece is as disparaging as the number reflected, then I think it's time we told Mr. Suppelsa a thing or two about what it means to be under the wrath of the Sox fans. Remember...this is the same knucklehead who tried to be a "hard journalist" when Jerry Springer tried to add a legitimate commentary to the NBC 5 News a few years ago. Suppelsa interviewed Springer and tried to pass himself as a tough reporter, but people could see through him better than if they were looking at Saran Wrap. And Jacobsen...here's my perspective...get a clue about Sox fans before you start talking about how "frustrated" we are...considering reports and comments like yours are part of the reason why. But since he's not uncovering corruption at City Hall or catching city workers loafing off on city time, I guess he doesn't have time to actually find out what's up with us Sox fans, and why things like Boyer's "Sox Pride" as campaign is so popular.

inta
07-03-2004, 12:43 AM
Please share, I'm unaware of Wally's comments.he said it was disgracefull that the sox were drinking and celebrating with alcohol, that it sets a bad example for kids watching their sports heroes.

coz we all know that NO sports team ever celebrates with champagne or alcohol...
:rolleyes:

i guess it's only ok to drink publicly when when you're a washed up local news anchor driving around lincoln park....

SaltyPretzel
07-03-2004, 12:57 AM
***, don't you guys realize that it was a "definitive" report and not open to discussion!!!!???? You must trust the media to realize the truth! Thinking for yourselves is not allowed!!! :angry:

gobears1987
07-03-2004, 12:57 AM
Is now one going to laugh at my jokes?:whiner::angry:

SaltyPretzel
07-03-2004, 01:02 AM
Is now one going to laugh at my jokes?:whiner::angry:
What joke? :smile:

doublem23
07-03-2004, 03:14 AM
They only counted incidents WITHIN the actual ball parks. I have a feeling if they counted incidents in the respective ball park's surrounding areas, the result would be different. After all, wasn't there a murder just outside of Wrigley a couple of months ago. The area around the Cell is getting better and the Bridgeport Police Department is close by.
Murder? What are you talking about? We did find some huge ****ing snails, though.

:rolleyes:

Nellie_Fox
07-03-2004, 03:51 AM
They always criticize the "neighborhood" when talking about Comiskey, not the ballpark. Okay, then report the crime in the neighborhood, not inside the ballpark. Comiskey always wins this.

I was just at Comiskey a couple of weeks ago. As I was leaving westbound on 37th, I noted the new, very nice, homes just west of the park. It was clear to me that the neighborhood is undergoing renovation.

doublem23
07-03-2004, 03:54 AM
What I did love was when they were interviewing the Cub fan, as he was saying Wrigley is better yada yada yada, you could see the guy being escorted out of the park by security. I was amazed they had the stones to show it in slow-mo.

But I agree, what a total waste of air time that was. I felt dumber after watching it... Especially since Suppelsa didn't know the name of the ****in' stadium.

WhiteSox = Life
07-03-2004, 04:44 AM
What I did love was when they were interviewing the Cub fan, as he was saying Wrigley is better yada yada yada, you could see the guy being escorted out of the park by security. I was amazed they had the stones to show it in slow-mo.

But I agree, what a total waste of air time that was. I felt dumber after watching it... Especially since Suppelsa didn't know the name of the ****in' stadium.
And, if I remember correctly according to what I read, he's supposed to take over for Walter Jacobson's main news position in September.

How's the saying go? Out with the old, in with the just as bad?

Dolly
07-03-2004, 05:03 AM
Yikes, almost twice as many arrests in the park at the Cell than Wrigley? I was suprised by that. Since the Cubs draw so many more fans, there is something like 3 arrests for every 100,000 fans at the Cell yet only .5 arrests for every 100,000 fans at Wrigley! So why is this?

1) Wrigley has more "intense" security so people are less likely to act out?

2) Security "looks the other way" at a lot of incidents at Wrigley?

3) Security at the Cell has a "zero tolerance" policy so arrests more people?

At the end, the reporter stressed that this includes events ONLY inside the park. That just begged the question as to what those numbers would look like if the neighborhood was thrown in...Let me just add to that the fact that Comiskey Park security officers are REAL off-duty police officers, who actually have the power to arrest people. That little league ballfield up north hires any jamoke off the street who fills out an application, and the only thing they can do is toss people out.

woodenleg
07-03-2004, 09:08 AM
That's ridiculous. Anyone who knows their stuff knows that arrest rates are not an accurate measurement of crime rates, unless we're talking about murder, and we're not. If they were accurate, then we could say that college students almost never commit any crime.

voodoochile
07-03-2004, 09:26 AM
They always criticize the "neighborhood" when talking about Comiskey, not the ballpark. Okay, then report the crime in the neighborhood, not inside the ballpark. Comiskey always wins this.

I was just at Comiskey a couple of weeks ago. As I was leaving westbound on 37th, I noted the new, very nice, homes just west of the park. It was clear to me that the neighborhood is undergoing renovation.
I am also skeptical of the way they did this study.

They are talking about Park Property in both cases, but the Sox have about 6-7 times the land the flubbies do because of their parking lots, so if you count every PL scuffle that leads to an arrest or everytime someone gets arrested in the PL for whatever, you would probably dramatically increase the numbers. Those incidents at Wrigley happen in the bars and not on "Park Property".

Blob
07-03-2004, 09:27 AM
They always criticize the "neighborhood" when talking about Comiskey, not the ballpark. Okay, then report the crime in the neighborhood, not inside the ballpark. Comiskey always wins this.

I was just at Comiskey a couple of weeks ago. As I was leaving westbound on 37th, I noted the new, very nice, homes just west of the park. It was clear to me that the neighborhood is undergoing renovation.
Those are the exact homes I'm talking about. My friend's parents live there.

Blob
07-03-2004, 09:28 AM
Let me just add to that the fact that Comiskey Park security officers are REAL off-duty police officers, who actually have the power to arrest people. Wrigley hires any jamoke off the street who fills out an application, and the only thing they can do is toss people out.
I know that the Sox security is off-duty cops but, that would make a difference if the Squiggleyville was not. Assclowns, the lot of 'em!

alohafri
07-03-2004, 09:28 AM
Why do I picture Hangar standing outside of the Fox 32 News studios right now?

alohafri
07-03-2004, 09:30 AM
Let me just add to that the fact that Comiskey Park security officers are REAL off-duty police officers, who actually have the power to arrest people. Wrigley hires any jamoke off the street who fills out an application, and the only thing they can do is toss people out.
My buddy has an uncle and aunt who work as "security" at the Urinal. They are both pushing 80. *** are they going to do? "That's okay, sonny, you just go ahead and grab that girl's boobies. I'll go get you another beer."

SaltyPretzel
07-03-2004, 09:37 AM
Why do I picture Hangar standing outside of the Fox 32 News studios right now?BTW, where has Henry been? I havn't seen him post here for a while.

TornLabrum
07-03-2004, 10:43 AM
They always criticize the "neighborhood" when talking about Comiskey, not the ballpark. Okay, then report the crime in the neighborhood, not inside the ballpark. Comiskey always wins this.

I was just at Comiskey a couple of weeks ago. As I was leaving westbound on 37th, I noted the new, very nice, homes just west of the park. It was clear to me that the neighborhood is undergoing renovation.
I was at the game in which the off-duty Burbank cop was beaten up. Nothing happened to me, nor has anything happened to me since 1956.

itsnotrequired
07-03-2004, 11:15 AM
I am also skeptical of the way they did this study.

They are talking about Park Property in both cases, but the Sox have about 6-7 times the land the flubbies do because of their parking lots, so if you count every PL scuffle that leads to an arrest or everytime someone gets arrested in the PL for whatever, you would probably dramatically increase the numbers. Those incidents at Wrigley happen in the bars and not on "Park Property".
Yeah, something is fishy here. In the beginning they state that it is arrest totals INSIDE the ballpark but at the end they remind viewers that it is arrest totals on PARK PROPERTY. So are the parking lots included or not? I have to say that I've never been to the parking lots but if they are like any other stadium parking lots, there are some arrests going on there.

jackbrohamer
07-03-2004, 12:14 PM
I am also skeptical of the way they did this study.

They are talking about Park Property in both cases, but the Sox have about 6-7 times the land the flubbies do because of their parking lots, so if you count every PL scuffle that leads to an arrest or everytime someone gets arrested in the PL for whatever, you would probably dramatically increase the numbers. Those incidents at Wrigley happen in the bars and not on "Park Property".
That's a great point that didn't even occur to me. His using the phrase "park property" --- as opposed to "inside the park" -- is odd and suggests strongly that they included the parking lots.

I've seen way more fights at Hawks and Bears games than I've ever seen at Sox games. *** is with the recent push by the media to make Sox games look unsafe?

cheeses_h_rice
07-03-2004, 12:35 PM
Two things:

1. The report interviewed someone who worked at Wrigley in the security department, and this guy made it sound like Wrigley DOES hire police officers to do security, and they don't mess around. He insinuated that it wasn't like that at Comiskey.

2. Voodoo's point about arrests on park property, and the relative size of "Sox property" to "Wrigley property," are right on the ****ing money. Wrigley's property consists of the park itself, and little slivers of sidewalk and parking lot directly surrounding it. That's it. So if some drunk a-hole decides to deck another fan at the northwest corner of Clark and Waveland, that's now somehow not considered to be an "incident at Wrigley," but more of a neighborhood thing. Meanwhile, if someone gets into a tussle at the edge of the parking lot on 37th Street and the police are called, that IS "Sox property."

You can't win this one, folks. You just can't. For whatever reason, the "media" covering stories like this won't bother explaining such things as "mitigating circumstances" or actually bother to fill in their viewers on WHY the numbers would be so different. They just let biased blowhards like Lester Munson and Batboy Wally slag off our entire fanbase and ballpark and hope it will stand up.

Viva Magglio
07-03-2004, 03:29 PM
Can this obvious bias be the basis of a defamation lawsuit?

RKMeibalane
07-03-2004, 03:44 PM
Why do I picture Hangar standing outside of the Fox 32 News studios right now?
He's probably out there yelling and screaming his head off. That's what I'd be doing if I were him.

Hangar18
07-10-2004, 02:42 PM
BTW, where has Henry been? I havn't seen him post here for a while.
IM right here. This team angered me so much, I basically DIDNT watch any SOX games til Thursday, where I turned the game on during the 9th innning.
I actually had the pleasure of WATCHING the game Friday nite at a bar, where every single TV was on the CUb game. After the LEES Bomb last nite, about 4 or 5 fans cheered in the bar, making me wonder why they didnt ask for the dang game on the TV. but thats another story. Bottom Line,
think about the TIMING ON WHY FOX PUTS THIS "Story" out there. The SOX were finally getting positive attention on the field, and guess what? SUddenly, the Cub-Times/Cubune/Fox and rest of the flub loving Media PUTS OUT THE STORY, 1 1/2 weeks AFTER the actual incident, of a Scuffle at THE CELL. Of course, now they want to put this story out there, and in a KILEY-ESQE way of angling the facts, point them badly against the SOX.
Note how the report Never BOTHERED to explain why the facts looked the way they did. Why? its the Chicago Biased Media, thats why.
They dont realize, everytime they do this, the MORE THEY LOOK BADLY to others who arent cub-lovers, and just watching the news.

mealfred13
07-10-2004, 04:49 PM
How's about we send a link to this thread to all the major media outlets in Chicago, and carbon copy it to our good friends Jerry Reinsdorf, Hawk Harrelson and MJ&H and get some people talking about this damn BS that the stupid media likes to bring up about our team.

This is starting to get so out of hand that pretty soon we're going to be having gang wars in the streets between Scrub and Sox fans on a daily basis.