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Takatsufan
07-02-2004, 08:29 PM
Rate the 2004 Estaban Loiaza from 1-10.

Aidan
07-02-2004, 08:38 PM
Rate the 2004 Estaban Loiaza from 1-10.5. I wish he would start pitching like he did last season.

HomeFish
07-02-2004, 08:39 PM
6. The guy is still what, 8-4?

Aidan
07-02-2004, 08:42 PM
6. The guy is still what, 8-4?Yeah, but he's still giving up too many runs and DEFINATELY too many home runs. His ERA is 4.37 this season with 18 home runs allowed. It was 2.90 last season and he only gave up 17 home runs ALL OF last season. He's still been good but no where near the ace he was last season. Any wins we get from him should still be gravy considering he was a non-roster invitee last season but at $4 million, I'd like to see a bit lower ERA.

MikeKreevich
07-02-2004, 08:46 PM
I'm rating this post as a 3.

nasox
07-02-2004, 08:46 PM
He needs to pitch inside, inside, inside, Hawk has mentioned this and I noticed it near the start of the season. He goes away and away towards hitters and they just kill it. He has the stuff, he just isn't putting them in the right places.

WSox8404
07-02-2004, 09:32 PM
5.5

minastirith67
07-02-2004, 09:34 PM
:threadsucks

Iguana775
07-02-2004, 10:27 PM
:threadsucks
I'm sorry but this post sucks. Loaiza is reverting back to his average self he was 2 years ago. He is giving up way too many homers and not pitching like a guy that is hungry. He's not as effective as he was last year with the pitch selection. As people stated earlier. He is not pitching inside nearly as much as last year. It almost seems like he thinks he can pitch half assed and still be as effective as last year.

princek
07-02-2004, 10:33 PM
I'll give him a 5, hes missing his spots on a regular basis this year and leaving way too many pitches over the heart of the plate.

OurBitchinMinny
07-03-2004, 12:55 AM
4.5...extremely average. Right now he is the #4 starter

gosox41
07-03-2004, 11:18 AM
Rate the 2004 Estaban Loiaza from 1-10.
5. He's average at best. While he's not as bad as he was back in Toronto (though if he keeps going like this he will be) he's not what I consider good.

The question is: Is anyone surprised by this?

I thought last year was a fluke. Give KW credit for signing him, but too think he sign a long term #1 or #2 starter is ridiculous. He had a great year. The league has adjusted to him.

How much would you pay this guy as a free agent after this season?

Also, what was up with that 2/4 arm pitch he threw yesterday to Sosa? Maybe he's working on something else.


Bob

jackbrohamer
07-03-2004, 11:52 AM
6. He's fallen back to earth after last season but is still able to win with the run support the Sox can normally provide.

That game against Cleveland where he didn't give up a hit until I think the 5th inning, then blew an 8-run lead, still scares me.

WSox8404
07-03-2004, 01:00 PM
Last year was a fluke, plain and simple.

minastirith67
07-03-2004, 03:54 PM
I'm sorry but this post sucks. Loaiza is reverting back to his average self he was 2 years ago. He is giving up way too many homers and not pitching like a guy that is hungry. He's not as effective as he was last year with the pitch selection. As people stated earlier. He is not pitching inside nearly as much as last year. It almost seems like he thinks he can pitch half assed and still be as effective as last year.
The thing I am berating about this thread is the idea of rating him. I think assigning him a number for his actions is pointless, and merely to vindicate people's existing opinions of him.

gosox41
07-03-2004, 06:21 PM
Last year was a fluke, plain and simple.
You must be an FOBB. KW is a genius for bringing him here.

IN fact last year was a fluke for Loiaza. The numbers are bearing it our right now. It's a shame because ZI like the guy and the Sox need are now lacking a true #3 pitcher.



Bob

gosox41
07-03-2004, 06:23 PM
The thing I am berating about this thread is the idea of rating him. I think assigning him a number for his actions is pointless, and merely to vindicate people's existing opinions of him.
He's performing on stage so to speak and we are paying his salary which totals about $ 4 mill. I thought last year was a fluke for him and the number are bearing me out. If he were putting up numbers comaprable to last year, I'd rate him at 10.



Bob

nitetrain8601
07-03-2004, 06:30 PM
6 because he still wins and he's still got the stuff, he just doesn't place the ball in the right location.