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34 Inch Stick
07-01-2004, 10:46 AM
99% of the United States has the 5th off in observance of 4th of July. We are at home before (at Wrigley) and start a home stand the next day. This is the day after a holiday so most people will not have family parties that require attendance. It would be a perfect afternoon for baseball. It would be like getting an extra Sunday game to boost attendence.

This is the second time this year that we have been dark on a holiday and I cannot understand the problem.

Tekijawa
07-01-2004, 10:49 AM
99% of the United States has the 5th off in observance of 4th of July. We are at home before (at Wrigley) and start a home stand the next day. This is the day after a holiday so most people will not have family parties that require attendance. It would be a perfect afternoon for baseball. It would be like getting an extra Sunday game to boost attendence.

This is the second time this year that we have been dark on a holiday and I cannot understand the problem.
A half price Monday on a Holiday? They'd never fill the park!

SaltyPretzel
07-01-2004, 11:35 AM
Since this is the last time the teams will be playing each other this year, they probably want to allow an extra day in case of rain.

WhteSox725
07-01-2004, 11:38 AM
More significantly in my opinion is anyone worried about having only 4 days off after the trading deadline (only one of which is smack dab in the middle of September) and one of those four most probably going towards a Phillies-Sox make up game?

Frater Perdurabo
07-01-2004, 11:45 AM
The reason they are not playing on the 5th is because the league, in its infinite wisdom didn't schedule a game.

Why not play a full schedule every day this week and next. After all, everyone but the All Stars will have three days off in less than two weeks.

The problem is the league's stubborn refusal to consider interleague play throughout the year, deciding instead to cram it all into June. Allowing interleague play throughout the season would allow Selig to balance the leagues (three five team divisions in each league). They could move Houston to the NL West and Arizona to the AL West to even things out.

They wonder why attendance is falling league-wide. Having a full schedule on Memorial Day, Labor Day and Independence Day would boost attendance. What's more patriotic than going to a game?

havelj
07-01-2004, 11:48 AM
Note that the Angels are playing a night game on the 4th and Monday is their travel day to get to Chicago.

I agree - there should be a game here on that holiday, but from the travel standpoint I can see why not.

munchman33
07-01-2004, 11:49 AM
More significantly in my opinion is anyone worried about having only 4 days off after the trading deadline (only one of which is smack dab in the middle of September) and one of those four most probably going towards a Phillies-Sox make up game?
Hopefully by September we'll have enough of a lead to play the call-ups and give the regulars some due rest.

rmusacch
07-01-2004, 11:57 AM
99% of the United States has the 5th off in observance of 4th of July. We are at home before (at Wrigley) and start a home stand the next day. This is the day after a holiday so most people will not have family parties that require attendance. It would be a perfect afternoon for baseball. It would be like getting an extra Sunday game to boost attendence.

This is the second time this year that we have been dark on a holiday and I cannot understand the problem.
Every team should play on Memorial Day, Independence Day (or the day of the work holiday) and Labor Day.

Blob
07-01-2004, 11:57 AM
The reason they are not playing on the 5th is because the league, in its infinite wisdom didn't schedule a game.

Why not play a full schedule every day this week and next. After all, everyone but the All Stars will have three days off in less than two weeks.

The problem is the league's stubborn refusal to consider interleague play throughout the year, deciding instead to cram it all into June. Allowing interleague play throughout the season would allow Selig to balance the leagues (three five team divisions in each league). They could move Houston to the NL West and Arizona to the AL West to even things out.

They wonder why attendance is falling league-wide. Having a full schedule on Memorial Day, Labor Day and Independence Day would boost attendance. What's more patriotic than going to a game?
I agree, why not play interleague throughout the year. Why make it this two week SPECIAL agenda?

rmusacch
07-01-2004, 11:58 AM
Since this is the last time the teams will be playing each other this year, they probably want to allow an extra day in case of rain.
What teams?

Frater Perdurabo
07-01-2004, 11:59 AM
Note that the Angels are playing a night game on the 4th and Monday is their travel day to get to Chicago.

I agree - there should be a game here on that holiday, but from the travel standpoint I can see why not.

Then MLB should schedule the Angels for a day game on the 4th.

MLB should make their schedules so that teams don't have to travel on Monday, July 5. Make the previous weekend series' all four-game affairs. Oh, wait, we can't have 4-game interleague series! THEN DON'T HAVE SO MUCH INTERLEAGUE PLAY THE WEEKEND BEFORE JULY 5!

Memorial Day, Labor Day and Independence Day should have full schedules. In addition, no team should get all three dates for home games, and no team should have to play on the road for all three dates. If MLB is trying to increase attendance, they need to be more fan-friendly. Lots of games on these dates should be mandatory.

Hello, McFly! <---Bud Selig

delben91
07-01-2004, 12:00 PM
What teams?

Sox and Cubs.

Paulwny
07-01-2004, 12:10 PM
I don't know if it holds true here , but after "X" number of consecutive games the players must get a day off as part of the labor contract. Maybe tha Angels are at that point or nearing it so a day off is mandatory.

I'm sure mlb would love to play on the 5th, but the players want a day off.

pudge
07-01-2004, 12:28 PM
I don't know if it holds true here , but after "X" number of consecutive games the players must get a day off as part of the labor contract. Maybe tha Angels are at that point or nearing it so a day off is mandatory.

I'm sure mlb would love to play on the 5th, but the players want a day off.
That's a horrible excuse, make it so that the day off happens during the week and get the games played on holidays. It's totally ridiculous that we got hosed on 2 straight holidays.

Frater Perdurabo
07-01-2004, 12:42 PM
That's a horrible excuse, make it so that the day off happens during the week and get the games played on holidays. It's totally ridiculous that we got hosed on 2 straight holidays.

Yes, have the off-day be the Thursday before (today) or the Thursday after.

Again, it's totally ridiculous and incredible short-sighted and stupid that the MLB would not have full schedules on Memorial Day, Labor Day and Independence Day.

ewokpelts
07-01-2004, 12:44 PM
Then MLB should schedule the Angels for a day game on the 4th.

MLB should make their schedules so that teams don't have to travel on Monday, July 5. Make the previous weekend series' all four-game affairs. Oh, wait, we can't have 4-game interleague series! THEN DON'T HAVE SO MUCH INTERLEAGUE PLAY THE WEEKEND BEFORE JULY 5!

Memorial Day, Labor Day and Independence Day should have full schedules. In addition, no team should get all three dates for home games, and no team should have to play on the road for all three dates. If MLB is trying to increase attendance, they need to be more fan-friendly. Lots of games on these dates should be mandatory.

Hello, McFly! <---Bud Selig
They cant...the sox and cubs will be playing at 7 central....5 la time...no games can be playuing around the espn start time.
Gene

p.s. :whocares

ewokpelts
07-01-2004, 12:44 PM
Then MLB should schedule the Angels for a day game on the 4th.

MLB should make their schedules so that teams don't have to travel on Monday, July 5. Make the previous weekend series' all four-game affairs. Oh, wait, we can't have 4-game interleague series! THEN DON'T HAVE SO MUCH INTERLEAGUE PLAY THE WEEKEND BEFORE JULY 5!

Memorial Day, Labor Day and Independence Day should have full schedules. In addition, no team should get all three dates for home games, and no team should have to play on the road for all three dates. If MLB is trying to increase attendance, they need to be more fan-friendly. Lots of games on these dates should be mandatory.

Hello, McFly! <---Bud Selig
Dont forget...the players haev families they might want to see too....

ewokpelts
07-01-2004, 12:45 PM
That's a horrible excuse, make it so that the day off happens during the week and get the games played on holidays. It's totally ridiculous that we got hosed on 2 straight holidays.
Cubs and sox alternate on holidays for home games.
Gene

Frater Perdurabo
07-01-2004, 12:47 PM
Isn't this the second year in a row that the Sox have not played at home on Independence Day, Memorial Day and Labor Day? This really is rotten for the MLB to screw the Sox like this two years in a row.

Let me re-align the leagues, balance the schedules and make the schedules work for everyone. I'd also arrange travel to avoid long cross-country trips and minimize rainouts and games in 100-degree heat. I promise everyone here that I could do a better job than the idiots at MLB who put the schedules together at present.

PaleHoseGeorge
07-01-2004, 12:50 PM
Every team should play on Memorial Day, Independence Day (or the day of the work holiday) and Labor Day.
Yep. This makes perfect business sense, not just for the owners but the players union, too. There is no way they wouldn't reach an accommodation so that both of them could make more money. More fans attend more games on weekends and holidays than any other day of the year. The owners gather the cash and the value of the union's next CBA is largely based on the health of the sport, primarily measured by overall attendance. They both make more money playing on holidays. What the hell is so damn hard to figure out?

I think it is pretty freakin' obvious that nobody from MLB is bothering to smooth out the schedule that the computer spits out. There needs to be some human logic added to what the stupid software would otherwise have us do. It's the final intelligent fix that only a human brain can add, not unlike the idiots at the BCS leaving out #1 USC from the national championship game because *computers* told them to do it. Thus was created a split national champion. Idiots... ****ing idiots...

The Sox and 7 other teams had Memorial Day off and not less than 4 of those teams could easily have played that Monday rather than Tuesday without one other thing changing. Thus the owners and union left that bundle of holiday attendance cash on the table. Now they're doing the same thing on the 4th of July holiday, too.

These people are incompetent morons. They deserve 100 percent of the belittling scorn the fans heap upon them.

Frater Perdurabo
07-01-2004, 12:53 PM
They cant...the sox and cubs will be playing at 7 central....5 la time...no games can be playuing around the espn start time.
Gene

p.s. :whocares

EDIT: I care because MLB is run by a tag team of complete idiots who have no idea how to make their product more accessible and fan-friendly, without changing anything about the game itself! Mark my words, the MLB as we know it will die if it does not do a better job marketing itself to today's younger generations.

Then don't schedule the biggest interleague rivalries for the July 4 weekend! Spread them out over the season! Why pack all of the best interleague matchups into the July 4 weekend? There is no reason why Sox-Cubs has to be the same weekend as Yankees-Mets. Have Sox-Cubs one weekend, Yankees-Mets the next. Have A's-Giants on another weekend, followed by Dodgers-Angels and Astros-Rangers. That way there would be marquee interleague matchups for national broadcast on ESPN on many consecutive weekends!

This is not that hard to fix if MLB would just THINK when putting together the schedules and go back to the balanced schedule.

Frater Perdurabo
07-01-2004, 01:04 PM
I think it is pretty freakin' obvious that nobody from MLB is bothering to smooth out the schedule that the computer spits out. There needs to be some human logic added to what the stupid software would otherwise have us do. It's the final intelligent fix that only a human brain can add, not unlike the idiots at the BCS leaving out #1 USC from the national championship game because *computers* told them to do it. Thus was created a split national champion. Idiots... ****ing idiots...

The biggest problem is not just a lack of "editing" of the computer-created schedule, but the GIGO factor (Garbage In, Garbage Out). MLB must insist on certain parameters when it writes its scheduling software. They insist that Monday and Thursday MUST be days with light schedules to allow for travelling. They insist that interleague play be confined to June, meaning that the leagues are unbalanced (6-team NL Central, 4-team AL West). If they can program these factors into their schedule computer, they just as easily can program in requirements for a full schedule on Memorial Day, Labor Day and the Independence Day holiday, and requirements for each team to play a home game on at least one of those three dates.

MLB is doubly stupid. They cut off their noses to spite their faces. They have asinine "rules" to begin with (like unbalanced leagues and interleague play ONLY in June), and then don't make common-sense, fan-friendly accommodations.

VenturaSoxFan23
07-01-2004, 01:35 PM
In the good ol' days, holidays were an excuse to schedule doubleheaders. If they're so worried about off days, bring back that doubleheader. If it's money they're worried about, make it those day-night deals the owners are so in love with. That will strike down any complaints about travelling.

I have an honest question. When and why did they start the season with one game, a day off, then the other two games of the series?

viagracat
07-01-2004, 02:34 PM
The reason they are not playing on the 5th is because the league, in its infinite wisdom didn't schedule a game.

Why not play a full schedule every day this week and next. After all, everyone but the All Stars will have three days off in less than two weeks.

The problem is the league's stubborn refusal to consider interleague play throughout the year, deciding instead to cram it all into June. Allowing interleague play throughout the season would allow Selig to balance the leagues (three five team divisions in each league). They could move Houston to the NL West and Arizona to the AL West to even things out.

They wonder why attendance is falling league-wide. Having a full schedule on Memorial Day, Labor Day and Independence Day would boost attendance. What's more patriotic than going to a game?
The guy making up the MLB schedule is probably a Cub fan, which means he doesn't know anything about baseball.:redneck