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MeanFish
07-01-2004, 12:51 AM
this team will compete for years and years due to the extreme competence of their coaching staff from top to bottom?

Walker seems to have a knack for teaching just about ANYONE how to hit, Coop has turned around the careers of multiple pitchers thus far, and Ozzie can motivate a team like nothing I've ever seen.

And then there's Kenny Williams (okay, not quite a coach but still important to the organization nonetheless), who actually does better on a limited budget, bringing us guys like Loaiza and Uribe for next to nothing.

All in all, I think we have a lot to be excited about both now and for years to come.

jabrch
07-01-2004, 01:24 AM
I'll buy it MeanFish. Sure - it could all implode - it wouldn't be the first time. But all the pieces are in place for both a winning (championship calibre) season this year as well as to be competitive in the offseason to keep most of the team together and to compete on the field for a few years to come.

Of course it all depends on a bunch of things. What happens to Elo? Garcia? Frank? Magglio? etc. What do we do going out to get other FAs? When will the damn Twins finally collapse? What about Detroit, Cleveland and KC? Will JR expand payroll if we have a good (financially successful) season? By how much?

But I am as optimistic as I have been since the early 90s. I really think this team on the field is as good as any in the AL - except the Yanks. And we are built well enough (balance of high powered offense and pitching) that we can beat them in a playoff series.


this team will compete for years and years due to the extreme competence of their coaching staff from top to bottom?

Walker seems to have a knack for teaching just about ANYONE how to hit, Coop has turned around the careers of multiple pitchers thus far, and Ozzie can motivate a team like nothing I've ever seen.

And then there's Kenny Williams (okay, not quite a coach but still important to the organization nonetheless), who actually does better on a limited budget, bringing us guys like Loaiza and Uribe for next to nothing.

All in all, I think we have a lot to be excited about both now and for years to come.

fquaye149
07-01-2004, 08:23 AM
this team will compete for years and years due to the extreme competence of their coaching staff from top to bottom?

Walker seems to have a knack for teaching just about ANYONE how to hit, Coop has turned around the careers of multiple pitchers thus far, and Ozzie can motivate a team like nothing I've ever seen.

And then there's Kenny Williams (okay, not quite a coach but still important to the organization nonetheless), who actually does better on a limited budget, bringing us guys like Loaiza and Uribe for next to nothing.

All in all, I think we have a lot to be excited about both now and for years to come.
the only issue i take is that i don't know exactly how much credit walker deserves. I'm not sure I see too many instances of his success, especially since CREDE was his pet project this year.

Not to say he sucks or anything, I just wouldn't compare him to Coop as far as working magic.

HomeFish
07-01-2004, 08:27 AM
This team has been competeing for the past four years -- just unsuccessfully.

illiniwhitesox
07-01-2004, 08:31 AM
this team will compete for years and years due to the extreme competence of their coaching staff from top to bottom?

Walker seems to have a knack for teaching just about ANYONE how to hit, Coop has turned around the careers of multiple pitchers thus far, and Ozzie can motivate a team like nothing I've ever seen.

And then there's Kenny Williams (okay, not quite a coach but still important to the organization nonetheless), who actually does better on a limited budget, bringing us guys like Loaiza and Uribe for next to nothing.

All in all, I think we have a lot to be excited about both now and for years to come.
Don't forget Marte, Schoenny, Garcia, Gordon.....

To me, he has a knack for getting solid arms. Granted Gordon is gone, but he still is pitching well for the Evil Empire.

viagracat
07-01-2004, 08:32 AM
this team will compete for years and years due to the extreme competence of their coaching staff from top to bottom?

Walker seems to have a knack for teaching just about ANYONE how to hit, Coop has turned around the careers of multiple pitchers thus far, and Ozzie can motivate a team like nothing I've ever seen.

And then there's Kenny Williams (okay, not quite a coach but still important to the organization nonetheless), who actually does better on a limited budget, bringing us guys like Loaiza and Uribe for next to nothing.

All in all, I think we have a lot to be excited about both now and for years to come.
This is Chicago. We haven't had a team compete "for years and years" in this town for over 30 years. I've lived long enough to believe it when I see it; seen too many 9-17 Septembers, ya know? I hope you're right, Meanfish, but competing consistently also takes money in this day and age, and I'm not positive JR will provide what it takes. This is why I drink :gulp:.

nasox
07-01-2004, 09:04 AM
sQUOTE=HomeFish]This team has been competeing for the past four years -- just unsuccessfully.[/QUOTE]
We have been in contention the past few years, but in the weakest division (arguably). Put us in any other division and we wouln't be close, save for maybe the odd division here or there. What MeanFish meant was that we have a chance to become a perennial playoff team like Cleveland was in the mid 90s.

There is one problem,though. The rest of the division is also starting to come around. Cleveland could be back in contention next year, though I believe it will be in two years. KC is rebuilding but, if they do it right, they could be back in 3 years. And Detroit's management has shown their commitment to win. Minnesota's feature is a bit up in arms, but I dunno. IT could be a rocky road.

Frater Perdurabo
07-01-2004, 09:57 AM
the only issue i take is that i don't know exactly how much credit walker deserves. I'm not sure I see too many instances of his success, especially since CREDE was his pet project this year.

Crede is starting to produce again. If Crede can have a second half like he did in 2003, it will be like the Sox picked up another hitter -- without having to trade for him. Walker's teaching may be sinking in.

soxtalker
07-01-2004, 04:24 PM
this team will compete for years and years due to the extreme competence of their coaching staff from top to bottom?

Walker seems to have a knack for teaching just about ANYONE how to hit, Coop has turned around the careers of multiple pitchers thus far, and Ozzie can motivate a team like nothing I've ever seen.

And then there's Kenny Williams (okay, not quite a coach but still important to the organization nonetheless), who actually does better on a limited budget, bringing us guys like Loaiza and Uribe for next to nothing.

All in all, I think we have a lot to be excited about both now and for years to come.
Taking nothing away from the coaching staff, but it does help to have players. This team is getting old. The agressive KW style that so many fans like has its price, as the farm system is continually depleted. JR might expand the payroll, which will allow addition of a few off-season free agents. But we're going to be facing young and talented retooled Detroit, Cleveland, and, possibly, KC teams.

DSpivack
07-01-2004, 04:40 PM
What happens when KW keeps trading away young talent until there is none left? Then JR will have to really raise payroll, or else this won't compete.

Flight #24
07-01-2004, 04:42 PM
Taking nothing away from the coaching staff, but it does help to have players. This team is getting old. The agressive KW style that so many fans like has its price, as the farm system is continually depleted. JR might expand the payroll, which will allow addition of a few off-season free agents. But we're going to be facing young and talented retooled Detroit, Cleveland, and, possibly, KC teams."Continually depleted":
So far in 4-5 years, we've lost 3 potential impact guys: Kip Wells, Reed,Olivo.
We've lost a couple of OK players who could have contributed: Francisco, Ginter, Ring, Webster
We've lost a number of pretty low level guys who are pretty big longshots to be contributors: Morse, Myette, Guerrier, Valentine (and I'm sure I'm missing some)

Guys we still have: Borchard, Sweeney, Anderson, Honel, Wing, Munoz

Young guys already on our team: Cotts, Diaz, Rauch, Harris, Uribe, Crede, Rowand.

IMO, Kenny's done a fine job of maintaining talent and trading some for vets. The Wells deal was bad. Since then it's been pretty good until this last deal (which there's debate about - although I like it).

Whitesox029
07-01-2004, 10:51 PM
this team will compete for years and years due to the extreme competence of their coaching staff from top to bottom?

Walker seems to have a knack for teaching just about ANYONE how to hit, Coop has turned around the careers of multiple pitchers thus far, and Ozzie can motivate a team like nothing I've ever seen.

And then there's Kenny Williams (okay, not quite a coach but still important to the organization nonetheless), who actually does better on a limited budget, bringing us guys like Loaiza and Uribe for next to nothing.

All in all, I think we have a lot to be excited about both now and for years to come.Can't forget Joey Cora at third, can we? Hawk always says he hardly ever makes a bad decision.

doublem23
07-01-2004, 11:45 PM
What happens when KW keeps trading away young talent until there is none left? Then JR will have to really raise payroll, or else this won't compete.
Or find diamonds in the rough, like Damaso Marte, Shingo Takatsu, Willie Harris, Juan Uribe, Esteban Loaiza, and Scott Shoeneweis, and then plugging talent in the holes.

Kadafi311
07-01-2004, 11:50 PM
This team has been competeing for the past four years -- just unsuccessfully.
You're such a boob :lurkers

Flight #24
07-01-2004, 11:52 PM
Of course it all depends on a bunch of things. What happens to Elo? Garcia? Frank? Magglio? etc. What do we do going out to get other FAs? When will the damn Twins finally collapse? What about Detroit, Cleveland and KC? Will JR expand payroll if we have a good (financially successful) season? By how much?
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IMO, a huge piece of the advantage we have in getting Garcia is that I think the timing really helps boost our standing in the town/league/media, increases attendance, and revenues.

I have a very strong belief that we'll have an increased payroll next year, allowing us the chance to resign Eo, FG, and hopefully Val. Frank will be back (IIRC, he's got a player option @ $8mil with no team buyout this year). He won't get much more on the open market, so staying with a winning team and the only jersey he's ever worn will make him stay. We'll have to plug in Borchard for Maggs, and I'd expect Shoney to be gone (Rauch/Diaz to vie for the 5th starter), but I wouldn't expect massive changes to next year.