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32nd&Wallace
06-27-2004, 11:10 AM
Im putting this out here to see if anyone else has heard otherwise. A friend of mine whose uncle works security at Sox games told him the way they need to improve this team is to get rid of the cancer. My friend said "thomas?" and he said "no, konerko." Apparently, Konerko puts up a front to the media but is disliked by the team and White Sox staff in general. Can anyone verify this?

voodoochile
06-27-2004, 11:25 AM
Im putting this out here to see if anyone else has heard otherwise. A friend of mine whose uncle works security at Sox games told him the way they need to improve this team is to get rid of the cancer. My friend said "thomas?" and he said "no, konerko." Apparently, Konerko puts up a front to the media but is disliked by the team and White Sox staff in general. Can anyone verify this?
I am not surprised by this at all.

Brian26
06-27-2004, 11:40 AM
:threadsucks

jabrch
06-27-2004, 11:47 AM
This was a topic of discussion once upon a time - when PK was hitting .220. Now with his average up and his run production soaring, it has been less a discussion. That said, I don't remember what the take on this was from those with "clubhouse access". I have no idea - I know none of the players personally, and none of the team staff. I'd defer to those with first or second hand inside knowledge on this one. Steff?

SoxFan76
06-27-2004, 11:48 AM
That sounds like a load of crap. No offense to you, but I am pretty confident there are no clubhouse cancers at this point. Especially with Ozzie at the helm.

RKMeibalane
06-27-2004, 12:16 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if Konerko were a clubhouse cancer. That said, I don't think he actually is one. Royce Clayton was a problem when he was with the Sox (he had his own island), but no one currently on the roster has been a source of problems in the clubhouse.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-27-2004, 12:26 PM
I've heard nothing in the mainstream media suggesting Konerko is a clubhouse cancer.

FWIW, a ballplayer's public persona (the one the media has a hand in creating) is often at odds with what other ballplayers around him think. I've read several "insider" books by guys like Jim Bouton, Dick Allen, Sparky Lyle, and others. A common theme is the 1-2 guys that say and do things to curry favor with the front office and the media that directly pisses off their teammates. I'm guessing it has been like this since the very beginning of the sport.

It is for this very reason that teammates are supposed to keep quiet about what is really going on inside their clubhouse. It will be 5-10 years before a picture emerges of what was going on inside the 2004 Sox clubhouse. Most likely there will be divergent opinions directly contradicting one another, too. Then it becomes a question of who do you trust enough to believe.

We're nowhere near reaching this point regarding Paul Konerko or any other Sox ballplayer. It's an intriguing topic but right now nobody knows for sure, and those who might know aren't talking.

oheeoh...magglio
06-27-2004, 12:30 PM
I can't imagine Paulie is a clubhouse cancer. If he was, I'm sure it would be a well known fact by now considering what the media in this town thinks of the White Sox and their players.

RKMeibalane
06-27-2004, 12:35 PM
I can't imagine Paulie is a clubhouse cancer. If he was, I'm sure it would be a well known fact by now considering what the media in this town thinks of the White Sox and their players.
Not necessarily. While the media definitely has it in for the Sox, I doubt they would be willing to trash Paul Konerko's reputation by lableling him as a clubhouse cancer. Konerko has been one of the few White Sox players willing to spend time talking to the media, providing them with quotes and information they can use to write stories. The Chicago media would be foolish to criticize Konerko, as he has done them favors for years by just being talkative.

oheeoh...magglio
06-27-2004, 12:37 PM
Not necessarily. While the media definitely has it in for the Sox, I doubt they would be willing to trash Paul Konerko's reputation by lableling him as a clubhouse cancer. Konerko has been one of the few White Sox players willing to spend time talking to the media, providing them with quotes and information they can use to write stories. The Chicago media would be foolish to criticize Konerko, as he has done them favors for years by just being talkative.
Well, that's a very good point. This thread just caught me off guard, i've never heard anything like this about Konerko, and he doesn't strike me as the type of guy that's a jerk, but who knows with pro athletes these days.

The one thing I care about is how Konerko hits the ball, and he's definitely doing his job in that regard this season.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-27-2004, 12:41 PM
Sammy Sosa is popular with the local media, too. He's quotable and answers every softball question lobbed his way. The minute a New Yorker from SI asked him about steroid tests, Sammy went ballistic and the local media circled the wagons on his behalf. And one year later, the Cheat is caught using a corked bat.

What does this tell you about putting your faith into the public persona the local media creates about hometown heroes?

If anything, the media's adulation of Konerko only makes me all the more suspicious.

RKMeibalane
06-27-2004, 12:55 PM
Sammy Sosa is popular with the local media, too. He's quotable and answers every softball question lobbed his way. The minute a New Yorker from SI asked him about steroid tests, Sammy went ballistic and the local media circled the wagons on his behalf. And one year later, the Cheat is caught using a corked bat.

What does this tell you about putting your faith into the public persona the local media creates about hometown heroes?

If anything, the media's adulation of Konerko only makes me all the more suspicious.
I agree. If anything, I'm inclined to believe the exact opposite of what the media says about a given person, place, or thing. In fairness to Konerko, he may very well be a good person and good teammate. I certainly have never seen any evidence to the contrary, and until I do, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Having said that, I have become extremely suspicious of the media in recent years. For as long as I can remember, the Chicago (and national) media has done their best to portray Frank Thomas as the anti-Christ. Yet, I've heard nothing but good things from fans who have met, and people (Steff) who have been fortunate enough to call him an aquaintance or even a friend. Each of these people has had nice things to say about Big Frank, and nothing I've heard from them comes even remotely close to the media's perception of Thomas.

JRIG
06-27-2004, 01:06 PM
I've been in the locker room many times. While I don't believe Konerko is a problem, it would be much more likely to be him labeled a "clubhouse cancer" than Thomas based on my observations.

viagracat
06-27-2004, 01:14 PM
Im putting this out here to see if anyone else has heard otherwise. A friend of mine whose uncle works security at Sox games told him the way they need to improve this team is to get rid of the cancer. My friend said "thomas?" and he said "no, konerko." Apparently, Konerko puts up a front to the media but is disliked by the team and White Sox staff in general. Can anyone verify this?
If this were even remotely true, you know Moronotti would be all over it by now, gleefully gloating about "dissention" on the Sox while he prepares yet another article telling us what a great guy Sammy Sosa is. I don't know Konerko, but all I've ever heard about him is that he's quiet and reserved, which I suppose could rub a few people the wrong way. But a cancer? I doubt it.

And any guy who drives in six runs in two games against the Cubs is a friend of mine.:redneck

WSox8404
06-27-2004, 01:33 PM
As long as he keeps getting big home runs, I don't see it as a major problem if it even is one. I mean when the Sox won the division in 00, he slid into home plate with a beer in his hand. He was the happiest one out there. Maybe thats the problem.

Deadguy
06-27-2004, 02:48 PM
Im putting this out here to see if anyone else has heard otherwise. A friend of mine whose uncle works security at Sox games told him the way they need to improve this team is to get rid of the cancer. My friend said "thomas?" and he said "no, konerko." Apparently, Konerko puts up a front to the media but is disliked by the team and White Sox staff in general. Can anyone verify this?
Konerko comes off as rather smug and selfish. I've personally seen him throw a hissy fit after drawing a walk in a blow out, which indicates that he was upset that he couldn't pad his stats.

I've also had a personal experience with him where he came off as a jerk with the rock star attitude, without being a superstar. Perhaps he was just having a bad day, but fans don't forget things like that.

The Sox would be smart to get rid of Konerko while he has good numbers, before he pulls his disappearing act. With his good start this year, the justification for his terrible season last year (hip problems) was obviously incorrect, and he just became complacent after signing a fat contract.

1951Campbell
06-27-2004, 03:49 PM
I've heard nothing in the mainstream media suggesting Konerko is a clubhouse cancer.

FWIW, a ballplayer's public persona (the one the media has a hand in creating) is often at odds with what other ballplayers around him think. I've read several "insider" books by guys like Jim Bouton, Dick Allen, Sparky Lyle, and others. A common theme is the 1-2 guys that say and do things to curry favor with the front office and the media that directly pisses off their teammates. I'm guessing it has been like this since the very beginning of the sport.

It is for this very reason that teammates are supposed to keep quiet about what is really going on inside their clubhouse. It will be 5-10 years before a picture emerges of what was going on inside the 2004 Sox clubhouse. Most likely there will be divergent opinions directly contradicting one another, too. Then it becomes a question of who do you trust enough to believe.

We're nowhere near reaching this point regarding Paul Konerko or any other Sox ballplayer. It's an intriguing topic but right now nobody knows for sure, and those who might know aren't talking.
Right on. Another thing to consider is that right now there's probably only 75 on the entire planet who have a complete view of what goes on in there, and a majority of those folks are players or wives. And are they gonna spill the beans to someone who might post it on WSI? Doubt it.

Soxfest
06-27-2004, 07:14 PM
Security guard stories are real hard to believe