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Lip Man 1
06-19-2004, 11:46 AM
Well it's almost getting time for the Sox to deal. A number of clubs are 'unofficially' out of it. Here's the list:

Tampa Bay (*although they have won 9 straight and could try to end the year at .500)

Toronto

Baltimore (* same deal, they could try to finish around .500 to make a statement to their fans.)

Kansas City
Seattle
Montreal
Pittsburgh
Arizona
Colorado

Just off that list, to me, the 'pickings' look mighty slim (especially with reports that Garcia is New York bound...) So who might be available and who do you think the Sox would go after?

Lip

Philo-Sox-er
06-19-2004, 11:54 AM
How about Eddie Guardado from the Mariners? He could shore up the bullpen.

Jurr
06-19-2004, 12:08 PM
the Pirates showcased Kris Benson the other day, and I bet we make a play at him.

Mickster
06-19-2004, 12:10 PM
No!!! :o:

:bundy

The Cheat
06-19-2004, 12:19 PM
How about Eddie Guardado from the Mariners? He could shore up the bullpen.
Guardado signed a 3-year deal, and has performed well. His price tag will be much steeper than Garcia's.

Philo-Sox-er
06-19-2004, 12:27 PM
Guardado signed a 3-year deal, and has performed well. His price tag will be much steeper than Garcia's.



Most definately. But Seattle is rumored to be prepping for a youth movement and they are willing to dup salary and get youth in return. Here are Eddie G.'s stats:

GGSWLSVIPHRERBBKCGSHOERAWHIP270201331.21644835001. 140.76

I think he would be great and we'd have him for 2 more years. Seeing that we dumped Koch, he'd be a perfect replacement.

Philo-Sox-er
06-19-2004, 12:29 PM
oops. his states looked fine before i posted them; then they came out messed up. suffice it to say in 31.2 innings of relief he has a 1.14 ERA, 35 K, 8 BB, and a 0.76 WHIP.

harwar
06-19-2004, 12:50 PM
Although the brewers are playing great ball right now,i wouldn't be surprised if they trade Ben Sheets to someone for a boatload of good young players(ala Richie Sexson).Sheets is still young and looking tobe one of the very good pitchers in all of baseball.It might mean giving up someone like Joe Borchard among several others.

Rex Hudler
06-19-2004, 01:04 PM
Well it's almost getting time for the Sox to deal.
You may be hitting the nail right on the head with that statement. Might be sooner than later.

iwannago
06-19-2004, 01:45 PM
I would not mind getting Wells back.

doublem23
06-19-2004, 01:47 PM
I would not mind getting Wells back.
Are we talking Kip or David? Because one I wouldn't, one I would.

MRKARNO
06-19-2004, 01:49 PM
Are we talking Kip or David? Because one I wouldn't, one I would.
The good one:)







(David)

Lip Man 1
06-19-2004, 09:51 PM
I saw a blurb in the print edition of The Sporting News where Kip Wells is losing feeling in some of the fingers on his pitching hand. It may be blister releated. He missed a turn and is seeing a specialist.


Lip

OurBitchinMinny
06-19-2004, 09:53 PM
I dont care, I just want something done. Id like to see sheets or benson. Both those guys step in and become #2 or #3's. Although we still really dont have a #1. One month its buerhle, one month its loaiza, and sometimes neither.

mendozaln
06-19-2004, 09:57 PM
Although the brewers are playing great ball right now,i wouldn't be surprised if they trade Ben Sheets to someone for a boatload of good young players(ala Richie Sexson).Sheets is still young and looking tobe one of the very good pitchers in all of baseball.It might mean giving up someone like Joe Borchard among several others.
The Brewers got a good deal in the Sexson trade, they will be a hard bargain. Is there any chance they would be willing to part w/ Kolb too? He's effective although (granted) very fragile.

Frater Perdurabo
06-19-2004, 10:05 PM
There are plenty of starters from which the Sox can choose like Livan Hernandez, Garcia, Benson and Sheets.

Unless K-Dub is completely clueless, he ought to be able to snag one of them, using Borchard as bait.

He also ought to attempt to get Carl Crawford from the Devil Rays for a package of pitching prospects. That way, either Lee or Konerko is expendable in 2005 in a trade for more pitching, making room for Reed in left and freeing up more money to re-sign Maggs and Loaiza.

mdep524
06-20-2004, 02:44 AM
The Brewers got a good deal in the Sexson trade, they will be a hard bargain. Is there any chance they would be willing to part w/ Kolb too? He's effective although (granted) very fragile.
Hey mendozaln, I came here tonight to post the exact same thing. I don't know how fool proof this guy Kolb would be, but man is he putting up great numbers so far in '04: 0.98 ERA, 0.83 WHIP, 21 Saves... and only 4 walks! He'd look pretty damn good in our 'pen right now. I love Jeremy Reed, so it pains me to say this, but I would trade Reed and a few other minor leaguers if we could get Sheets and Kolb. Unfortuantely, the Brewers are playing so well now that I wonder if they'd be willing to do a 2003 Pittsburgh Pirates-like dump anyhow.

mdep524
06-20-2004, 02:46 AM
There are plenty of starters from which the Sox can choose like Livan Hernandez, Garcia, Benson and Sheets.

Unless K-Dub is completely clueless, he ought to be able to snag one of them, using Borchard as bait.

He also ought to attempt to get Carl Crawford from the Devil Rays for a package of pitching prospects. That way, either Lee or Konerko is expendable in 2005 in a trade for more pitching, making room for Reed in left and freeing up more money to re-sign Maggs and Loaiza.
If KW traded Borchard for Kris Benson I would be very disappointed. (Garcia too, in that he is only a rent-a-player.)

I think you are right on the money about the Crawford/'05 outfield thing though.

soxspaz77
06-20-2004, 10:02 AM
trade partners: Arz- Randy Johnson would be the pitcher here but I don't think he'd okay a trade, also has a huge contract.
Finley- can also be had I would rather let wille or rowand get some out there.


atl- John smoltz is probably avabile an intresting idea hope kw looks into it!


Houston If we wait till they fall out of it which they are on there way to doing,(6.5 out) we might be able to get some pitching out of them. lidge would look good in our pen. Futhermore a clemens rental or wade miller pickup would work wonders. I would stay away oswalt because he is currently hiding an injury.


Montreal - Okaha is injured and we saw how ineffective armars is. They also have livian however they just re-signed for big $ so I don't think, they'll trade him. but they do have zach day who is pitching good his line

1313182.07333928495.3857095.61.23.2423.51
He is a soild number 3 , Don't know if the spos will trade him, since he is
young.

Pirates - They have kris benson , who I would get only as a last resort, and if we only give them a bag of baseballs. The pirates do have other spoils though to take off there hands. Brain Meadows has been great out of the pen, his only downside is his arm has gotten a lot of use this year( leads nl in apperances) The pitcher on the pirates who has been most impressive all year is oliver perez , folks this man is a left handed stud, he's struck out, 80 in 72 innings. If I were kw I would package three or four top prospects for a meadows and perez package.

Seattle Yes they have "Fat" Freddie Garcia, but he is not the pitcher I'd target his splits suggest that he is pretty average outside of safeco field. In U.S Celluar he would be exposed on a nightly basis. However they also have other pitching options I'd rather KW acquire.
Moyer is a great one year option, that nobody has mentioned here. Another option is Pinerio He's finally pitching again like the stud that he is, and besides a bad mouth (april) he's pitched pretty well. Another plus on pinerio is he's young and under contract for a few years! $

Any trade with seattle would have to include a few fill in pitchers. Myers would be the loggy were missing in the pen. Soriano would be a good pitcher to pick up cheap since he's struggling, but has good stuff when he's on. I think if you gave Soriano some time in AAA or with coop he could strighten out.

Daver
06-20-2004, 10:04 AM
Hey welcome aboard! :redneck

Jjav829
06-20-2004, 10:13 AM
trade partners: Arz- Randy Johnson would be the pitcher here but I don't think he'd okay a trade, also has a huge contract.
Finley- can also be had I would rather let wille or rowand get some out there.


atl- John smoltz is probably avabile an intresting idea hope kw looks into it!


Houston If we wait till they fall out of it which they are on there way to doing,(6.5 out) we might be able to get some pitching out of them. lidge would look good in our pen. Futhermore a clemens rental or wade miller pickup would work wonders. I would stay away oswalt because he is currently hiding an injury.


Montreal - Okaha is injured and we saw how ineffective armars is. They also have livian however they just re-signed for big $ so I don't think, they'll trade him. but they do have zach day who is pitching good his line

1313182.07333928495.3857095.61.23.2423.51
He is a soild number 3 , Don't know if the spos will trade him, since he is
young.

Pirates - They have kris benson , who I would get only as a last resort, and if we only give them a bag of baseballs. The pirates do have other spoils though to take off there hands. Brain Meadows has been great out of the pen, his only downside is his arm has gotten a lot of use this year( leads nl in apperances) The pitcher on the pirates who has been most impressive all year is oliver perez , folks this man is a left handed stud, he's struck out, 80 in 72 innings. If I were kw I would package three or four top prospects for a meadows and perez package.

Seattle Yes they have "Fat" Freddie Garcia, but he is not the pitcher I'd target his splits suggest that he is pretty average outside of safeco field. In U.S Celluar he would be exposed on a nightly basis. However they also have other pitching options I'd rather KW acquire.
Moyer is a great one year option, that nobody has mentioned here. Another option is Pinerio He's finally pitching again like the stud that he is, and besides a bad mouth (april) he's pitched pretty well. Another plus on pinerio is he's young and under contract for a few years! $

Any trade with seattle would have to include a few fill in pitchers. Myers would be the loggy were missing in the pen. Soriano would be a good pitcher to pick up cheap since he's struggling, but has good stuff when he's on. I think if you gave Soriano some time in AAA or with coop he could strighten out.
Welcome Aboard!

The problem is I don't think some of those players are available. Seattle is looking to get younger. I don't think they'll be looking to trade Soriano or Pineiro. Moyer could be available though. I doubt the Pirates want to part with Perez and I'm sure the Astros would rather keep Oswalt and Miller.

ndgt10
06-20-2004, 10:14 AM
Futhermore a clemens rental or wade miller pickup would work wonders. I would stay away oswalt because he is currently hiding an injury. We would have a better chance of one of our #5 starters throwing a perfect game compared to us acquiring clemens.

atl- John smoltz is probably avabile an intresting idea hope kw looks into it!
That is interesting. If he could be had, I'm all for that.

jabrch
06-20-2004, 10:33 AM
Hey mendozaln, I came here tonight to post the exact same thing. I don't know how fool proof this guy Kolb would be, but man is he putting up great numbers so far in '04: 0.98 ERA, 0.83 WHIP, 21 Saves... and only 4 walks! He'd look pretty damn good in our 'pen right now. I love Jeremy Reed, so it pains me to say this, but I would trade Reed and a few other minor leaguers if we could get Sheets and Kolb. Unfortuantely, the Brewers are playing so well now that I wonder if they'd be willing to do a 2003 Pittsburgh Pirates-like dump anyhow.

Nope - not enough strikeouts to be effective consistently. Please ignore his performance year to date - too small a sample size.

Flight #24
06-20-2004, 10:46 AM
atl- John smoltz is probably avabile an intresting idea hope kw looks into it!

So within a few weeks, we'll have Ben Sheets, John Smoltz, and Carl Crawford for LTP, Reed, Rauch, Diaz, ARow?

Me likey!!! :)
It's a bit early, but what the hey!:gulp: :bandance: :gulp: :bandance: :gulp:

TaylorStSox
06-20-2004, 11:10 AM
We would have a better chance of one of our #5 starters throwing a perfect game compared to us acquiring clemens.


That is interesting. If he could be had, I'm all for that.

I've heard the Braves state over and over that Smoltz won't be available. He's also a 10/5 guy. I don't think he'd allow a trade to the Sox.

mendozaln
06-20-2004, 11:12 AM
Soriano would be a good pitcher to pick up cheap since he's struggling, but has good stuff when he's on. I think if you gave Soriano some time in AAA or with coop he could strighten out.
Teams just aren't going to trade young pitchers who are excelling. And although Soriano's ERA is bad, look at the IP (3 1/3). He threw a few innings at the beginning of the season and got knocked around, but he's been injured ever since. He hasn't been struggling, and he won't be cheap. Lots of people think he could be a star, so Seattle won't trade him without getting some great pieces in return (or maybe won't trade him at all).

ma-gaga
06-20-2004, 11:12 AM
Milwaukee isn't trading Sheets. I think they "draw the line" starting with him, and sign him to a 4 year deal. I've seen it happen in Minnesota with Radke, I've seen it happen in Toronto with Halliday. I've heard grumblings out of Oakland that they won't let Hudson get away despite their stadium situation.

Milwaukee doesn't have that problem. They've got a shiny new stadium, a decent number of prospects, a team that's working, and a fanbase that's ready to embrace this up and coming team. I think Milwaukee make a mini-run at the NL Central title this year, will resign Sheets to a nice 4 year $40MM contract at the end of this season, and I think they and I think they win the NL Central next year.

Hell, they only have to beat out St.Louis, and they get by on TLR's managing, and Pujols slugging... That team is being held together by more glue and duct tape than any other I've seen. The Cubs have good pitching, but I just don't know about them, they've gotten really "old" really fast. That's the problem about signing "proven veterans".

Trading for Sheets is a good idea, I just don't think it'll happen. Seattle's a much more realistic option.

Flight #24
06-20-2004, 11:14 AM
I've heard the Braves state over and over that Smoltz won't be available. He's also a 10/5 guy. I don't think he'd allow a trade to the Sox.
Depends on who else is looking. NYY/BOS are out. He's a MW guy, so might take a shot on a very good Sox team v. an A's team if he thinks we can go to the WS (depends on getting a solid #5 or Rauch coming through).

mendozaln
06-20-2004, 11:33 AM
Hey mendozaln, I came here tonight to post the exact same thing. I don't know how fool proof this guy Kolb would be, but man is he putting up great numbers so far in '04: 0.98 ERA, 0.83 WHIP, 21 Saves... and only 4 walks! He'd look pretty damn good in our 'pen right now. I love Jeremy Reed, so it pains me to say this, but I would trade Reed and a few other minor leaguers if we could get Sheets and Kolb. Unfortuantely, the Brewers are playing so well now that I wonder if they'd be willing to do a 2003 Pittsburgh Pirates-like dump anyhow.
I don't think anyone'll do a 2003 Pirates-type dump. The Pirates got pantsed. Bavasi's made some pretty odd moves, but Garcia is getting too much attention for the Sox to get a deal on him.

I like the idea of Kolb b/c he's on a 1-year contract with the Brewers and he's injury prone, so I don't know that the Brewers would count on building for the future with him. On the other hand, because he is injury prone, I don't think the Sox should give up too much for him. But you're right, if the Brewers think they can make a run this year they'll keep him (and Sheets).

What are some other darkhorse trade possibilities? (You know, guys other than Garcia, Sheets, Benson, Sabathia, Finley, Beltran, Meadows, etc.) A somewhat bizarre idea: Ron Villone of Seattle. Guy's on a 1-year contract (about $1 mil), early-30s, pitched well as a starter in Houston last year, has been a good long man for Seattle. Problem is, he's a lefty, so if he doesn't work out as a fifth starter, there probably isn't space for him in the bullpen (since Cotts has been pitching well). Lots of other objections to this, let me add the caveat that I would certainly prefer Garcia and Sheets (and maybe Benson, but he gives me the willies) to Villone. IF we aren't willing to meet their asking prices, though, he may be a good option.

guillen4life13
06-20-2004, 10:57 PM
Here are some guys I wouldn't mind the Sox getting to fill the 5th starter hole that aren't too big name. I don't know what the asking prices may be, but I'm just throwing out some names.

Joe Kennedy
Miguel Batista
Rodrigo Lopez
Jaret Wright