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doublem23
06-18-2004, 11:27 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1824716

:kneeslap: It's your world, Barry... This guy spent too many years with Dusty.

dpbyron
06-18-2004, 11:33 PM
I've heard that players have said this for decades. Wasn't it on that HBO special about the curse?

Of course, Barry is just being his usual ***hole self and know cares about what he says.

HomeFish
06-18-2004, 11:34 PM
That's a claim I've heard many times before. As much as I hate Boston and would be willing to take any chance to denigrate the city and its fans, I cannot find any evidence whatsoever to back up that claim.

Indeed, if anything, Boston has a reputation for being quite the opposite. It was the birthplace of abolition and all.

Cubbiesuck13
06-18-2004, 11:46 PM
word of mouth... hmmm that is a good reason to call an entire city racist. keep in mind this guy plays in san fran. where everyone is special and cute and normal. no matter what kind of person they are or what kind of thing they sleep with.

HomeFish
06-18-2004, 11:47 PM
word of mouth... hmmm that is a good reason to call an entire city racist. keep in mind this guy plays in san fran. where everyone is special and cute and normal. no matter what kind of person they are or what kind of thing they sleep with.

Boston isn't exactly a bastion of conservatism and homophobia either.

Brian26
06-18-2004, 11:49 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1824716

It's your world, BarryThat's ok. San Fran is too gay for me. Anyone can play the sweeping-generalization game.

Cubbiesuck13
06-18-2004, 11:50 PM
Boston isn't exactly a bastion of conservatism and homophobia either.
i would imagine that it is similar to most other big cities in terms of consercatism and homophobia. san fran is in a whole nother world.

thepaulbowski
06-19-2004, 12:01 AM
That's ok. San Fran is too gay for me. Anyone can play the sweeping-generalization game.

How could a place be too happy!!:redneck

FarWestChicago
06-19-2004, 12:20 AM
How could a place be too happy!!:redneck Well it would be happier in teal. http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

1951Campbell
06-19-2004, 12:31 AM
Boston is the most racist, segregated place I've ever lived or visited (and I've been to 48 states, mind you). I know we all hate Barry, but's he right. I lived there for 4 years, and man...unbelievable, given all the liberal rhetoric flying around the place.

A fun game to play next time you go to Fenway...count the black fans. In 40+ games I never got past five...out of 33,000+ people.

In the 22 years before I moved there, I had never heard some yell "n*****!" at someone in anger before--and that's impressive, coming from Milwaukee--but I saw it twice in the first year I was there. People's reaction? Nothing.

Restaurants, bars...totally segregated. My wife and I went to a restaurant in Milwaukee on a trip back from Boston when we lived there. We noticed something different...it was...black and white people actually eating and drinking at the same establishment! We forgot what that was like.

20 years after Brown vs. Board of Education...Boston finally decided to de-segregate its schools...and essentially had a two-year race war over it, and everyone is still talking about it. Ever seen the famed picture of the white guy stabbing the black guy with the American flag? Yep.

C'mon...Charles Stuart?

And I especially enjoyed the combination of provincialism and racism. People told my wife and I not to venture two or three blocks from certain restaurants in certain neighborhoods. Sad because (1) some folks assume things about minorities, and (2) funny because these provincial Bostonians think that an evil, colored mugger is incapable of following you three blocks into a different neighborhood, because...who would ever leave their neighbohood, or even go more than 10 blocks from their house? Man, three blocks is another world in Boston!

munchman33
06-19-2004, 12:57 AM
Boston is the most racist, segregated place I've ever lived or visited (and I've been to 48 states, mind you). I know we all hate Barry, but's he right. I lived there for 4 years, and man...unbelievable, given all the liberal rhetoric flying around the place.

A fun game to play next time you go to Fenway...count the black fans. In 40+ games I never got past five...out of 33,000+ people.

In the 22 years before I moved there, I had never heard some yell "n*****!" at someone in anger before--and that's impressive, coming from Milwaukee--but I saw it twice in the first year I was there. People's reaction? Nothing.

Restaurants, bars...totally segregated. My wife and I went to a restaurant in Milwaukee on a trip back from Boston when we lived there. We noticed something different...it was...black and white people actually eating and drinking at the same establishment! We forgot what that was like.

20 years after Brown vs. Board of Education...Boston finally decided to de-segregate its schools...and essentially had a two-year race war over it, and everyone is still talking about it. Ever seen the famed picture of the white guy stabbing the black guy with the American flag? Yep.

C'mon...Charles Stuart?

And I especially enjoyed the combination of provincialism and racism. People told my wife and I not to venture two or three blocks from certain restaurants in certain neighborhoods. Sad because (1) some folks assume things about minorities, and (2) funny because these provincial Bostonians think that an evil, colored mugger is incapable of following you three blocks into a different neighborhood, because...who would ever leave their neighbohood, or even go more than 10 blocks from their house? Man, three blocks is another world in Boston!
I've been there three times, and this was my experience in Boston as well. Whether I'm at the game, at the bar, or just walking around the city, if I have my black friends with me, we get glares, poor service, and are constantly hassled by the police. When I'm with my white friends, there's never an issue.

MarkEdward
06-19-2004, 04:32 AM
That's a claim I've heard many times before. As much as I hate Boston and would be willing to take any chance to denigrate the city and its fans, I cannot find any evidence whatsoever to back up that claim.

Indeed, if anything, Boston has a reputation for being quite the opposite. It was the birthplace of abolition and all.
I don't know about the city and racism (but from what munchman and 1951Campbell say, it doesn't sound too good), but the Red Sox have a history of organizational racism. From what I remember, the Red Sox were the last team to integrate. Recently Howard Bryant, a Boston sport's writer, wrote a book on the Red Sox and racism.

If there's someone I could rely on in regards to this subject, I think it would be Barry Bonds. His family (which includes Bobby Bonds and Willie Mays) have been integral parts of baseball for the past fifty years. Barry does seem to have a good understanding (and reverence) of history.

pinwheels3530
06-19-2004, 05:16 AM
Man those posts from 1951 Campbell and Munchman 33 really shut the mouths of the posters who would've surely turned this conversation into a " I hate Barry, Bostons not racists, lets make some smart remarks because I don't agree with what he said" thread, even though there is evidence to support his statements. I am glad to see we have posters here who speak the truth and will not just sweep the subject under the rug!! I am very dissappointed with the reaction of the first couple of posters to this thread!!! SAD VERY SAD!!!!:(: :(:

hose
06-19-2004, 10:16 AM
Didn't Bonds say that he wants to break Babe Ruth's record but not Henry Aaron's?

*** is that suppose to mean?

JohnBasedowYoda
06-19-2004, 10:36 AM
sadly alsip is a town that falls victim to generalizations

Cubbiesuck13
06-19-2004, 12:55 PM
Man those posts from 1951 Campbell and Munchman 33 really shut the mouths of the posters who would've surely turned this conversation into a " I hate Barry, Bostons not racists, lets make some smart remarks because I don't agree with what he said" thread, even though there is evidence to support his statements. I am glad to see we have posters here who speak the truth and will not just sweep the subject under the rug!! I am very dissappointed with the reaction of the first couple of posters to this thread!!! SAD VERY SAD!!!!:(: :(:
I have never been to boston so i really can't dispute anyone who has been there, and that is why i stopped on the discussion. Bonds said that boston is racist because of what other people have said and not because of anything he witnessed personally. I can't stand it when someone pulls a jesse jackson and I will speak up, just like i did. if bonds thinks that the world has not gotten any better, in terms of racism, fine. but to randomly come out against a city/person/organization that has never acually put you down is ignorant.

Fridaythe13thJason
06-19-2004, 02:39 PM
I have never been to boston so i really can't dispute anyone who has been there, and that is why i stopped on the discussion. Bonds said that boston is racist because of what other people have said and not because of anything he witnessed personally. I can't stand it when someone pulls a jesse jackson and I will speak up, just like i did. if bonds thinks that the world has not gotten any better, in terms of racism, fine. but to randomly come out against a city/person/organization that has never acually put you down is ignorant.
Is that really true? If everyone you meet says that Lou Malnatis pizza is the worst pizza ever; they hate it, etc...do you really reserve judgement until you have some? I think people take other's opinions all the time...did he need to say it to the media? No, but to know deep down that he doesn't want to move there because of what his peers say is perfectly normal. Everyone does it.

Cubbiesuck13
06-19-2004, 02:47 PM
Is that really true? If everyone you meet says that Lou Malnatis pizza is the worst pizza ever; they hate it, etc...do you really reserve judgement until you have some? I think people take other's opinions all the time...did he need to say it to the media? No, but to know deep down that he doesn't want to move there because of what his peers say is perfectly normal. Everyone does it.
it is true. having someone elses opinion on a matter doesn't really hold water with me. if lou malnatis pizza was the worst ever, i would prolly not eat there but i certainly would not tell people that it is awfull. pizza and race are pretty different. i don't think anyone is going to be offended by someone's pizza choice. the fact that bond's has at least played an all star game in boston without incident (he has never said anything) but would start talking about how someone else had an incident there is beyond me.

pinwheels3530
06-19-2004, 02:48 PM
People use to say Bridgeport was racist, If it's ture or not I'll keep it too my self.

doublem23
06-19-2004, 02:48 PM
it is true. having someone elses opinion on a matter doesn't really hold water with me. if lou malnatis pizza was the worst ever, i would prolly not eat there but i certainly would not tell people that it is awfull. pizza and race are pretty different. i don't think anyone is going to be offended by someone's pizza choice. the fact that bond's has at least played an all star game in boston without incident (he has never said anything) but would start talking about how someone else had an incident there is beyond me.
Actually, I'm pretty offended when people tell me New York style pizza is better than Chicago. :redneck

Cubbiesuck13
06-19-2004, 02:51 PM
double m,
me too, most of all fast food pizza disgusts me. but i don't knock it before i try it. i have had ny style pizza and it is gross. no one had to tell me what to think about it. isn't that what seperates us from the animal...er..cub fans....er...

fquaye149
06-19-2004, 04:27 PM
Didn't Bonds say that he wants to break Babe Ruth's record but not Henry Aaron's?

*** is that suppose to mean? It means that Bonds' father probably was old enough to remember an era when blacks weren't allowed to play major league baseball and obviously that was something taht bothered both Barry to the point where it became a case of black nationalism in major league baseball.

It would be like an olympian who didn't have any special desire to break jesse owens' records.

edit: if he had any

fquaye149
06-19-2004, 04:33 PM
it is true. having someone elses opinion on a matter doesn't really hold water with me. if lou malnatis pizza was the worst ever, i would prolly not eat there but i certainly would not tell people that it is awfull. pizza and race are pretty different. i don't think anyone is going to be offended by someone's pizza choice. the fact that bond's has at least played an all star game in boston without incident (he has never said anything) but would start talking about how someone else had an incident there is beyond me.

but if someone had asked you if lou malnatis pizza was any good, wouldn't you at least say "i've heard a lot of people say it isn't too good" especially if EVERYONE you heard said it was "the worst ever?"

Someone asked Bonds if he would play in Boston, and he replied "no, it's too racist."

And something you forgot to mention in this whole pizza analogy is that Bonds has BEEN to Boston.

Even people who hate Bonds have been taking his side on this issue. . .I'm not sure why you have to twist this situation out of proportion.

Cubbiesuck13
06-20-2004, 09:23 AM
but if someone had asked you if lou malnatis pizza was any good, wouldn't you at least say "i've heard a lot of people say it isn't too good" especially if EVERYONE you heard said it was "the worst ever?"

Someone asked Bonds if he would play in Boston, and he replied "no, it's too racist."

And something you forgot to mention in this whole pizza analogy is that Bonds has BEEN to Boston.

Even people who hate Bonds have been taking his side on this issue. . .I'm not sure why you have to twist this situation out of proportion.
have you read the quote? i thought it had him saying that he heard it was racist. the fact that he has been there, not have an incident and then still say that it is a racist place because some one said so is the problem.

and if someone asks me how something is, and i have not tried it, i say i have not tried it. passing along someone elses criticisms is wrong. it is different if you had the pizza and agreed that it sucked.

before the two 1st hand accounts on this board, i never thought of boston being a racist place. Mo Vaugn played there and was loved, Pedro plays there and is loved. two examples of non-incidents. i am pretty sure that pedro would say something if anything happend to him. and mo vaugn loved the place.

what am i twisting out of proportion?

Flight #24
06-20-2004, 12:06 PM
before the two 1st hand accounts on this board, i never thought of boston being a racist place. Mo Vaugn played there and was loved, Pedro plays there and is loved. two examples of non-incidents. i am pretty sure that pedro would say something if anything happend to him. and mo vaugn loved the place.


IIRC, a couple of Celtic players (Dee Brown?) had incidents a few years back where they were basically pulled over for DWB. And there have traditionally been comments from african american FAs that especially the "tonier" areas are lily white and don't take kindly to them that's not.

Until the past few years, the team's also been mostly white, no?

Cubbiesuck13
06-20-2004, 12:21 PM
flight,
i don't know about their team make up in the past, but i never noticed anything out of the ordinary. i figured that it would be on par with the race make up of other teams.

the whole dwb thing has been all over the us, at least i have never heard of a particular place having more incidents than others. but i never really looked into it either.

'Barry Bonds takes exception to the fact that the media takes "second-hand" comments about his alleged steroid use. He's said too many times that nobody knows what the hell they're talking about, and if he says he isn't taking them, the media should accept that as fact and be done with the issue.

But yet, he admits the Boston racist comments came from "second-hand sources" - i.e., anonymous baseball players - and yet he has taken those comments as fact...'- a paraphrase of dan patrick

that is my point in a nutshell, from someone more articulate than i

Flight #24
06-20-2004, 01:03 PM
'Barry Bonds takes exception to the fact that the media takes "second-hand" comments about his alleged steroid use. He's said too many times that nobody knows what the hell they're talking about, and if he says he isn't taking them, the media should accept that as fact and be done with the issue.

But yet, he admits the Boston racist comments came from "second-hand sources" - i.e., anonymous baseball players - and yet he has taken those comments as fact...'- a paraphrase of dan patrick


the only difference is that if BB's hearing it from guys he knows (players) about their personal experiences v. media hearing allegations 3d, 4th hand....there's a pretty big difference there.

RedPinStripes
06-20-2004, 01:16 PM
That's ok. San Fran is too gay for me. Anyone can play the sweeping-generalization game.
LOL! Word of mouth tells me it's too gay in sanfran but i really dont know. So i'll never live there. LMAO!

viagracat
06-20-2004, 02:34 PM
I have never been to boston so i really can't dispute anyone who has been there, and that is why i stopped on the discussion. Bonds said that boston is racist because of what other people have said and not because of anything he witnessed personally. I can't stand it when someone pulls a jesse jackson and I will speak up, just like i did. if bonds thinks that the world has not gotten any better, in terms of racism, fine. but to randomly come out against a city/person/organization that has never acually put you down is ignorant.
I'm a white guy. I've been to Boston and I liked it. There was one incident, though, that bothered me a lot when I was there. My kid was about three years old then, and as we were walking the historic trail downtown, she decided she had to go to the bathroom. Like, right now. So we went to a restaurant and I herded her to the washroom. A woman rushed up to us and said she couldn't use their washroom since we weren't customers. I tried to explain to her that this was a 3-year-old with an episode, not some smelly homeless guy looking to relieve himself. She still said no. I said, "OK, call the (expletive) police and I guarantee you I'll make a scene". She backed off and we were in and out, but I thought that was just not right.

I certainly could be wrong, but I think Bostonians are more provincial than racist, although I can imagine that in some districts like Charlestown once upon a time, being an African American could be an invitation to trouble. But this is Massachusetts, probably the most liberal state in the union, so I have to believe instituational racism there is at least waning, but like I said, I could be wrong.

I do know, however, that Bostonians hate the Yankees more than any ethnic group. Go to any bar in Boston and you'll hear epithets against the Evil Empire even if they're not playing Boston that day.:gulp:

illiniwhitesox
06-21-2004, 12:05 AM
I read a biography on Bill Russell where he talked about the time he moved his family to a white suburb just outside Boston. He had already been a key contributor to a number of NBA championships and was fawned over by fans. Granted, his surly demeanor to the media and constant refusal to sign autographs did not indere him to all.

However, it was a dream of his to move his family into a home in a community such as this. His home was later vandalized, with the N-word written on the walls of his home. The reception he received was rather chilly. I believe a number of neighbors rallied to try and defuse the controversy.

There was also a story about Dee Brown - another Celtic. He was driving his car and was pulled over by a cop and forced to lie face down on the pavement. The cop thought he was driving a stolen car. There was a great deal of backlash regarding his treatment.

I'm not saying that this would not happen in Chicago. Raisin in the Sun was written about the suburbs of Chicago. However, Boston has drawn the ire of athletes b/c of incidents such as these.

Champs2004
06-21-2004, 09:22 AM
Beautiful as the city of Boston is asthetic-wise, i gottta face the facts. Boston is racist as hell, as with Dee Brown, when i was visiting Boston last year with my mom, Boston PD pulled me over, for no reason at all. And here i thought Chicago PD pulls you over for driving while black. Boston is a black man's hell and Bonds knows the truth, along with most black men.

Nard
06-21-2004, 07:38 PM
I thought here in Salt Lake City was the only place that had DWBs. :D:

Anyway, once an area gets a "racist" stamp it never goes away, even if it's untrue. Some places, like Utah and Salt Lake for instance, get a bad rap for being racist when it is completely the opposite. I'll be the first to admit there aren't a helluva lotta black people here. But that doesn't mean it's racist. It's the complete opposite (disregarding the hicks and white trash of course). It sucks because we can't get a single black NBA free agent to come here because of the stupid racist label.


That being said, Boston is really, really racist. Bonds knows what he's talking about here.

Dadawg_77
06-21-2004, 09:09 PM
Didn't Bonds say that he wants to break Babe Ruth's record but not Henry Aaron's?

*** is that suppose to mean?
Barry's chip on his shoulder is when you talk of the great players of baseball, how many White guys are mentioned? Then how many non-white guys are mention.

When talking about the greatest players in the history of the game, one have to talk Mays, but many don't. Why, well to Barry it is racism.

Dadawg_77
06-21-2004, 09:14 PM
Wasn't Boston the place where Man shot his pregnant wife and blamed a black guy. Police has some arrested a few hours later. Turns out the guy had blamed generic black guy since he knew the Boston police would buy the story hook line and sinker.

thepaulbowski
06-22-2004, 08:44 AM
Man those posts from 1951 Campbell and Munchman 33 really shut the mouths of the posters who would've surely turned this conversation into a " I hate Barry, Bostons not racists, lets make some smart remarks because I don't agree with what he said" thread, even though there is evidence to support his statements. I am glad to see we have posters here who speak the truth and will not just sweep the subject under the rug!! I am very dissappointed with the reaction of the first couple of posters to this thread!!! SAD VERY SAD!!!!:(: :(:
Maybe it's because it's like the little boy who cried wolf. He bitches about everything all the time, so when he says something that may be relevant people dismiss it because all he does is complain. As soon as he opens his mouth most people are like "Here we go again...."

34 Inch Stick
06-22-2004, 11:44 AM
Rather than taking the opinion of people who have been there on work or vacation for a limited number of days, wouldn't it be better to seek opinions from a more valid source. Did any reporter follow up with thoughts from African Americans who have lived in Boston for a significant amount of time. I would be interested if residents or former residents feel Bonds' statement to be accurate. The opinions of pro atheletes about any city but the city where they grew up generally mean nothing to me. Atheletes, for the most part, are insulated from the life of the city in which they reside/work.

In order to relate it to Chicago, we should remember that at some point in the not to distant past this city was statistically the most segregagted city in the country. It is possible that Chicago still is. I hear racial/ethnic slurs being openly spoken on a regular basis from all demographics. Yet I would not hesitate recommending Chicago as a home city to a member of any race. Maybe a reporter should ask Bonds about playing for the Cubs and then drop the statistics on him.

Race/ethnicity is a tough issue in this country and always will be. There are way to many people willing to give easy answers to complex questions.

Cubbiesuck13
06-22-2004, 01:17 PM
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Race/ethnicity is a tough issue in this country and always will be. There are way to many people willing to give easy answers to complex questions.[/QUOTE]

i agree. i am also gulty.

1951Campbell
06-22-2004, 01:42 PM
Wasn't Boston the place where Man shot his pregnant wife and blamed a black guy. Police has some arrested a few hours later. Turns out the guy had blamed generic black guy since he knew the Boston police would buy the story hook line and sinker.
Yes, this was the Charles Stuart case I alluded to. Not only did they arrest a "generic black guy," they did so after essentially going house-to-house through the entire Mission Hill neighborhood. Generic Black Guy, of course, denied everything, Stuart's brother was in on the scheme, and showed signs of cracking. Stuart cracked by jumping off the Tobin Bridge.

Ironically, Jesse Anderson tried this same trick in the Milwaukee area about 5 or 6 years later.

1951Campbell
06-22-2004, 01:46 PM
Rather than taking the opinion of people who have been there on work or vacation for a limited number of days, wouldn't it be better to seek opinions from a more valid source. Did any reporter follow up with thoughts from African Americans who have lived in Boston for a significant amount of time. I would be interested if residents or former residents feel Bonds' statement to be accurate. The opinions of pro atheletes about any city but the city where they grew up generally mean nothing to me. Atheletes, for the most part, are insulated from the life of the city in which they reside/work.


Well, perhaps this is second hand as well, but here goes.

When I lived in Boston, the Globe did a story on black professionals in Boston--kind of a "what's it like for you living here." The consensus seemed to be "it sucks, I'm moving to Atlanta, because at least there you won't be hassled for being a well-heeled black man/woman."

OurBitchinMinny
06-23-2004, 02:14 PM
I dont know whether or not boston is racist because I have never been there. Every city is racist in some way because they have racists living in them. However Peter Gammons comes to bostons defense. I guess he is from there the way he foams at the mouth when he talks about the red sox.