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Jurr
06-17-2004, 11:52 PM
While we're playing the 'spos, the Twins play the Brewers. While we play the Cubs, the Twins play the Brewers. That leads up to the four game series with Minnesota. We could conceivably be 6-7 games down before the all star break.

FarWestChicago
06-17-2004, 11:53 PM
:prozac

doublem23
06-17-2004, 11:54 PM
The schedule eventually balances out... Look at the second half schedules. Minnesota plays a significantly harder schedule than we do. Especially not the last few weeks of the season.

valposoxfan
06-17-2004, 11:54 PM
While we're playing the 'spos, the Twins play the Brewers. While we play the Cubs, the Twins play the Brewers. That leads up to the four game series with Minnesota. We could conceivably be 6-7 games down before the all star break.
The thought has crossed my mind. What a horrific turn this season could turn. We have to get things turned around IMMEDIATELY. However I think we have to offense to pull us out of a hole, and the pitching that we had this past series was encouraging. We just played a team with pitchers that caught fire at the right time. I have a feeling we will play well and win in Montreal.

Jurr
06-17-2004, 11:57 PM
Yeah..I hope we can just hang in there 'till Maggs gets healthy

Lip Man 1
06-17-2004, 11:57 PM
That's the unbalanced schedule for you.


Lip

MRKARNO
06-17-2004, 11:58 PM
Yeah..I hope we can just hang in there 'till Maggs gets healthy
He probably should be back in time for the first Cubs series.

doublem23
06-18-2004, 12:01 AM
That's the unbalanced schedule for you.


Lip
This has to be one of the few things that Lip and I agree on. I still find it mind-boggling that a 162-game schedule cannot be balanced out so that all teams in the same division play their opponents an equal amount of time.

But, then again, is anyone really surprised that the guy who let an All-Star Game end in a tie doesn't know how to run Major League Baseball?

Viva Magglio
06-18-2004, 12:12 AM
While we're playing the 'spos, the Twins play the Brewers. While we play the Cubs, the Twins play the Brewers. That leads up to the four game series with Minnesota. We could conceivably be 6-7 games down before the all star break.
I am not happy about how things are going right now. But - Jesus! - I'm not that pessismistic.

MRKARNO
06-18-2004, 12:26 AM
That's the unbalanced schedule for you.


Lip
I cant think of any year since the inception of interleague play that 6 games against the Brewers was equivilent to 6 against the Cubs. Interleague play should go except for the rivalry serieses. Met-Yanks, Sox-Cubs, LA-Angels, Oakland-SF, KC-STL, Tex-Hou and that's about it. Even that might be overkill.

gosox3072
06-18-2004, 12:55 AM
Anyone notice the cupcake interleague schedule the twins get while we play division leaders?

Twins get Mets, Phillies, Expos, Brewers, Brewers, and Diamondbacks
White Sox get Phillies, Braves, Marlins, Expos, Cubs Cubs

What happened to equal schedules within a division? We play all tough teams except the Expos, while the twins play all cupcakes except the Phillies (and MAYBE the diamondbacks). :angry:

This all proves even more that the twins are lucky!

pudge
06-18-2004, 01:21 AM
Ironically, Jurr is usually pretty positive...

Bottom line, we need to beat the holy hell out of the Tigers in the second half...

And that folks is my...

1000th post!!

npdempse
06-18-2004, 01:22 AM
I remember being ticked about this last year...and then the Twins lost something like 4 of six to the brew crew.

But yeah, if there's going to be interLigue play, it should be totally balanced. That balance would mean extending it to at least six weeks. That would be dumb. Get rid of interleague play.

bobj4400
06-18-2004, 09:02 AM
While we're playing the 'spos, the Twins play the Brewers. While we play the Cubs, the Twins play the Brewers. That leads up to the four game series with Minnesota. We could conceivably be 6-7 games down before the all star break.
The Brew Crew are not a push over this season. Grant it, they arent the Cubs, they arent the horse manure team you guys are making them out to be...

Blob
06-18-2004, 09:31 AM
The schedule eventually balances out... Look at the second half schedules. Minnesota plays a significantly harder schedule than we do. Especially not the last few weeks of the season.
We'll just have to take care of the Stinkies when we play them, that's all. Besides with Koch gone, we have a better chance!

Flight #24
06-18-2004, 09:33 AM
This has to be one of the few things that Lip and I agree on. I still find it mind-boggling that a 162-game schedule cannot be balanced out so that all teams in the same division play their opponents an equal amount of time.

But, then again, is anyone really surprised that the guy who let an All-Star Game end in a tie doesn't know how to run Major League Baseball?
Out of curiosity - what would you have recommended in the ASG situation? Have pitchers go longer (and risk injury in an exhibition game)? Switch to home-run derby?

Bud's made his share of mistakes and screwups, but I have a hard time blaming the ASG outcome on him. At that point, all options were equally bad.

havelj
06-18-2004, 10:05 AM
Ben Sheets is pitching against the Twinkees tonight and if they ignore the off day - he will pitch against them again next week.

:cool:

Flight #24
06-18-2004, 10:31 AM
Ben Sheets is pitching against the Twinkees tonight and if they ignore the off day - he will pitch against them again next week.

:cool:
Maybe THAT'S the delay in a trade, huh? Give him his 2 starts v. Twins at a time when we don't really need the #5 guy (I think we should be able to beat the Expos with Munoz), then pick him up!

Kogs35
06-18-2004, 10:35 AM
way back when the schedule was made the sox were spose to go to ny after florida. mlb wanted fox to show the yanks-dodgers game in prime time tomrow night. and the sox met were spose to have a saterday afternoon game. but when fox did not want to put the yanks-dodgers game in prime time they mlb schedule makers deciced to send the sox to montreal. the reds where spose to be in seattle last week, but that was changed also so the reds and indians could play a home and home series.

Jerko
06-18-2004, 10:45 AM
I remember being ticked about this last year...and then the Twins lost something like 4 of six to the brew crew.

But yeah, if there's going to be interLigue play, it should be totally balanced. That balance would mean extending it to at least six weeks. That would be dumb. Get rid of interleague play.
It USED to be totally balanced when it first started; even the Cub/Sox only played 3 games against each other because every AL central team used to play every NL central team 3 times. Then suddenly the old "every team will have to play every other team both home and away within 6 years how more balanced can it get" argument reared its ugly head as soon as people started complaining about the unbalanced-ness of it all. Then of course Selig figured out hey; we get more money for Chi/Chi, Ny/NY, Ana/LA, OAK/SF, and to a lesser extent Cle/Cin and Hou/Tex (who didn't play each other in the original format) so they had to create "rivals" for everyone and double the amount of times those rivals play each other. So, per usual, $$$$ is more important than fairness. So much for the "integity of the game". Add that to the 19 times each team plays vs. division foes and the schedule is a joke now.

jeremyb1
06-18-2004, 10:48 AM
Anyone notice the cupcake interleague schedule the twins get while we play division leaders?

Twins get Mets, Phillies, Expos, Brewers, Brewers, and Diamondbacks
White Sox get Phillies, Braves, Marlins, Expos, Cubs Cubs

What happened to equal schedules within a division? We play all tough teams except the Expos, while the twins play all cupcakes except the Phillies (and MAYBE the diamondbacks). :angry:

This all proves even more that the twins are lucky!

Yep. It's not the unbalanced schedule that creates problems it's interleague play. However, the Sox are much to blame for it. They want to drive up attendance and please the fans with the two Cubs series but while we play the Cubs twice that means the Twins play the Brewers twice.

JB98
06-18-2004, 11:57 AM
Maybe THAT'S the delay in a trade, huh? Give him his 2 starts v. Twins at a time when we don't really need the #5 guy (I think we should be able to beat the Expos with Munoz), then pick him up!
The delay in the trade is the fact that the Brewers are 33-30 and only 4.5 games out of first. Trading their best pitcher (who isn't going to be a free agent for another two years, BTW) at this point is a horrible message to send to the Milwaukee fans, who have to be somewhat energized after enduring season after season of 95+ losses over the last decade. I read in The Sporting News this week that the Brewers will not trade Sheets. As much as I'd like to have him on the Sox, it ain't going to happen.

lowesox
06-18-2004, 12:04 PM
Yep, the road ahead is going to be tough and we haven't exactly been on top of our game of late. It's time Ozzie makes a big speech and Kenny pulls off a big trade.

We need a momentum shift.

delben91
06-18-2004, 12:28 PM
The Sox could just use a winning streak in the worst way. A couple of good games can turn the tide.

Jurr
06-18-2004, 12:28 PM
Well, if we get a new player or two, the momentum will be there. I won't totally panic until we get any more than 3 games under. It just really gets me that a former division champ would get cupcakes like that. It should run like the NFL, where a lower finish last year would dictate who you played the next year.

SoxxoS
06-18-2004, 01:00 PM
The schedule thing is overrated to an extent. We played the Yankees at the right time, and the Twins are going to play them (hopefully) at their best. It's all about how a team is playing AT THAT TIME...as we know baseball is all about streaks.

With the schedule, it's all about catching teams at the right time. It balances out for the most part. Let's not forget that the Twins lost 4 of 6 to the Brewers last year. Wins on paper are just that, wins on paper. Not in the standings.

Would I like to face Milwaukee for 6 games rather than the Flubbies? Sure. But if Milwaukee goes into the series red-hot, and the Flubs ice-cold, then give me the Cubs.

I take solace in the fact that I believe that the Sox are better than the Twins. This was also the case the past few years, but we don't have Ghandi to hold us down. There is a LONG way to go, and I have confidence in KW and the team to finish on top.

VaSoxfan
06-18-2004, 01:06 PM
Well we better fold our tents then since the Twins have an easier schedule than we do for a little while...geesh. It's not like we're 10 games back...and it's not like the Brewers are 10-52. They are above .500 and should give the Twins some good games.

Besides, the Sox need to take care of business and not panic because one of our rivals might be having an easier time. In the latter stages of the season our schedule is loaded with Tigers, Indians, and Royals...what goes around comes around.

HebrewHammer
06-18-2004, 01:38 PM
While we're playing the 'spos, the Twins play the Brewers. While we play the Cubs, the Twins play the Brewers. That leads up to the four game series with Minnesota. We could conceivably be 6-7 games down before the all star break.The all star break is what 3 weeks away? I won't say that its impossible for the Sox to fall that far back behind, but I feel its unlikely, we've got a good team, I'd rather have the Sox battle tested and ready for the stretch run than limping in with a padded record against crappy teams.

kittle42
06-18-2004, 02:48 PM
What worries me (a little) is that les Expos come in on a 9-game losing streak.

Most teams don't get to 12....

MRKARNO
06-18-2004, 02:51 PM
What worries me (a little) is that les Expos come in on a 9-game losing streak.

Most teams don't get to 12....
Most teams dont have an offense as horribly pathetic as that of the Les Expos

Lip Man 1
06-18-2004, 03:25 PM
The talk about 'going on a winning streak,' made me look and this season the longest Sox win streak has been four games. That surprised me. With a team that can hit well for a week, ten days at a time, I thought they would have had a longer one. Perhaps the reason they haven't is due to the 5th starter and or Billy Koch.


Lip

doublem23
06-18-2004, 04:16 PM
Out of curiosity - what would you have recommended in the ASG situation? Have pitchers go longer (and risk injury in an exhibition game)? Switch to home-run derby?

Bud's made his share of mistakes and screwups, but I have a hard time blaming the ASG outcome on him. At that point, all options were equally bad.
Oh, I agree that he made the right call, but that doesn't mean it wasn't complete bull****... Now we have the "It matters" garbage. blegh.

Flight #24
06-18-2004, 04:18 PM
Oh, I agree that he made the right call, but that doesn't mean it wasn't complete bull****... Now we have the "It matters" garbage. blegh.
OK, I guess I'm used to seeing people say it was his fault and use that to say he's an idiot, when in reality it was not at all his fault and theree are plenty of legitimate reasons to call him an idiot.:)

soxwon
06-18-2004, 07:02 PM
dont sweat it, be confident we will take atleast 4 of 6 from the flubs.

Blob
06-18-2004, 09:59 PM
While we're playing the 'spos, the Twins play the Brewers. While we play the Cubs, the Twins play the Brewers. That leads up to the four game series with Minnesota. We could conceivably be 6-7 games down before the all star break.
Well the Stinkies couldn't hold off the Mighty Brewers tonight!!

Bucktown
06-18-2004, 10:20 PM
I don't see any advantage to plyaing the Brewers over playing the Cubs. Last I looked they had about the same record. The Brewers are playing inspired baseball. There pitching is impressive. I would say they are up there with the Rangers in terms of pleasant surprises.

viagracat
06-19-2004, 12:20 PM
"While we're playing the 'spos, the Twins play the Brewers. While we play the Cubs, the Twins play the Brewers. That leads up to the four game series with Minnesota. We could conceivably be 6-7 games down before the all star break."

Can't worry about Minnesota's schedule; all the Sox can do is do their best. If the Sox lose 12 of the 19 games this year against the Twins like they seem to be prone to doing every year, it won't matter who the Twinkies play now, will it?