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CyYoung5621
06-10-2004, 10:02 PM
Alright folks, Im going to need your help on this one. While at the TB Giants game last night a friend asked me if I thought Wood was a good pitcher. I replied, no hes overrated. I also said MB was a better pitcher. Now since I only get to watch a handful of games when they pitch, who is the better one and what should i say to this guy?

CyYoung5621
06-10-2004, 10:02 PM
move this to parking lot please

SoxFan76
06-10-2004, 10:22 PM
I was in this argument, (through AIM) and this guy was a loser. He really thought he knew his stuff, and I told him to stop believing what Peter Gammons tell him and just look at the facts. He refused. I think CyYoung is looking for some really good material to blast this guy with. I said all I could, and apparently my arguments weren't good enough for this guy.

Reichardt
06-11-2004, 11:04 AM
This is Kerry's 7th season with the Cubs. His best year was in 2003 when he posted 14 wins. The same win total that Danny Wright had in 2002.

fledgedrallycap
06-11-2004, 11:11 AM
Kerry Wood is a good pitcher, there is no debating that. However, he is probably the most over-rated player in the Major Leagues.

He is often injured, throws too many pitches in too few innings and has made the most of his twenty strike out game.

With that said, he has really good stuff, is a stand-up guy and I would put him in a Sox jersey in a second.

Hondo
06-11-2004, 11:32 AM
Kerry Wood is the third of fourth pitcher on the Cubs staff when everyone is healthy.
As much as you can say about Prior he's got the most potential.
Zambrano is really solid( I would love to see him on the southside)
And Maddux is still Maddux.
Wood will never win 20 games because of how hard he throws, suspect mechanics and a .10 cent head.
He is solid though but in no way in the top 10 of pitchers inthe NL.

34 Inch Stick
06-11-2004, 12:52 PM
On his best day he is better than Buhrle. You rarely get his best day. He is also injured too often and is a definite risk for future arm trouble.

Saying he would be third on that Cub staff is not insult. Regardless of how much Sox fans dismiss Prior, he is, right now one of the better pitchers in the league. I think Zambrano is like Kerry Wood with a brain. He should be an All Star this year. I think you could argue that both of these guys are in the top 15 starters in the league

The thing I like about Burhle is that he seems to keep the Sox in the game even on his bad days.

SoxFan76
06-11-2004, 02:13 PM
AL vs. NL stats can be misleading. Not to take away from Zambrano, because his ERA is very low this year, but they also don't have to pitch to a DH. That can make a BIG difference in a big inning. Plus, the AL is much more competitive than the NL, as far as caliber of teams.

Tekijawa
06-11-2004, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by SoxFan76
AL vs. NL stats can be misleading. Not to take away from Zambrano, because his ERA is very low this year, but they also don't have to pitch to a DH. That can make a BIG difference in a big inning. Plus, the AL is much more competitive than the NL, as far as caliber of teams.

You also have to think that Fact is somewhat negated because the Cubs pitchers never get to face the Cubs hitters...

Hondo
06-11-2004, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by SoxFan76
AL vs. NL stats can be misleading. Not to take away from Zambrano, because his ERA is very low this year, but they also don't have to pitch to a DH. That can make a BIG difference in a big inning. Plus, the AL is much more competitive than the NL, as far as caliber of teams.

This isn't scientific but I just add a run to NL pitchers or subtract a run off the ERA to try and project what'd they do in the other league.

StockdaleForVeep
06-12-2004, 02:44 AM
When wood has his A game going then id say perhaps. But something ive noticed about him and clement, esp in the cubs\sox series'. The second they are knocked out of their groove\have runners on, they fall to pieces and start throwin wild left and right.

Buehrle is more reliable and quicker.

TomC727
06-13-2004, 02:41 AM
I agree. Wood seems to walk too many guys. I gotta go with MB. He keeps his team in the game and he doesn't walk guys.

StockdaleForVeep
06-13-2004, 02:52 AM
I agree. Wood seems to walk too many guys. I gotta go with MB. He keeps his team in the game and he doesn't walk guys.
Not even walks, its wild pitches, that will kill more than any walk if you got runners on. They cannot remain consistant when baserunning pressure is present. Plus wood and clement are the types of power pitchers doomed to injuries. Without using clemens, nearly every fireball pitcher sufferes some severe arm setback in their carrers, for kw, took what....1 season?

SOXintheBURGH
06-13-2004, 02:57 AM
MB has won 20 games in a season and will do it again this year. Pitches a game quicker than anyone in the league, and effectively. No contest.



:burly > :woo-woo

OEO Magglio
06-13-2004, 03:07 AM
MB has won 20 games in a season and will do it again this year. Pitches a game quicker than anyone in the league, and effectively. No contest.



:burly > :woo-wooBuehrle has never won 20 games in a season, he won 19. Buehrle is a better pitcher then wood. I've always thought wood is overrated because he's very inconsistant. One night he's pedro martinez the next he's danny wright. Wood is way to inconsistant be considered one of the best pitchers in baseball. IMO, he's not even close to a top pitcher in the league, I'd take Mark over him any day.

fquaye149
06-13-2004, 05:39 AM
nearly every fireball pitcher sufferes some severe arm setback in their carrers, for kw, took what....1 season?
:KW:

"Whatchou talkin' about?"

Mohoney
06-14-2004, 01:34 AM
Kerry Wood is a good pitcher, there is no debating that. However, he is probably the most over-rated player in the Major Leagues.

He is often injured, throws too many pitches in too few innings and has made the most of his twenty strike out game.

With that said, he has really good stuff, is a stand-up guy and I would put him in a Sox jersey in a second.


Kerry Wood, White Sox closer.

Seriously though. Think about it. The guy throws a great fastball and a very good slider, but doesn't really have a legit third pitch to keep hitters honest for 7 or 8 innings or, more importantly, 3 or 4 times through the order. However, with just one look at him per day, he would be really tough to time, and has a great chance to be dominant with the raw power he has.

Let's face it. That wicked curveball of his youth won't be coming back. His arm won't allow it. Plus, being the strikeout pitcher that he is, he throws too many pitches when he gets into later innings, risking further arm damage with each passing month.

I don't see this guy ever winning 20 in a season, but I would count on multiple 40+ save seasons, and maybe even a few 50+ save seasons, if he closes. He would have plenty of opportunities every season because the Cubs usually find themselves in tight games. They simply don't have the offensive firepower to tee off on the glut of good pitching in the NL Central.

doublem23
06-14-2004, 01:45 AM
Wood is too good a starter right now to be considered for the closer's role. Yeah, he may never win 20 or a Cy Young, but he's still a pretty solid pitcher and as long as Dusty doesn't blow his arm out, he should be a solid MLB starter for at least another 10 years.

I could see Wood following the John Smoltz path... Good starter turned into a dominant closer to lenghten his career after some arm troubles. Maybe if Wood doesn't recover from this latest batch of injuries, the Cubs would use him in the 'pen? The biggest problem is probably economics. Wood is getting paid too much money to realistically be used in that kind of a role and when he ever tests the F/A market, someone would offer him more money to start before someone would give him big money for 70 IP of work per year.

A 200-inning starter is more valuable than a closer any day of the week.

StockdaleForVeep
06-14-2004, 02:37 AM
:KW:

"Whatchou talkin' about?"
http://www.krisbenson.com/images/media/Kris-photos/tommy1.jpg "Lieutenant Dan got new legs, i got a new arm"