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GoSox2K3
06-10-2004, 09:14 AM
Maybe this belongs in the parking lot. Another article by a Cub fan taking cheap shots at Sox fans. Sounds like this fan moved to Chicago and adopted the Cubbies and decided that anything south of Madison St. is decaying. This person didn't have the guts to list her e-mail address, but the person who runs this website (a Sox fan) lists an email address.

http://www.zulkey.com/diary_archive_051204.html

Palehose13
06-10-2004, 09:21 AM
My first beef is that the supposed "cub fan" is really an Indians fan...hmmmm...that is definitely unbiased. Why didn't we have a Cardinal fan living in Chicago write about the Sox?

From the Indian fan:
But both the Cubs and the Indians teams developed lots of fans who come out for a ball game, no matter the outcome.

Is this chick delusional? Before "The Jake" and the success of the Indians in the 90's, they drew more gnats than fans (remember Ozzie swatting them away in the field?). Now that the Indians are losing again, the Jake isn't selling out anymore. Someone needs to get this woman off of the blue and red kool-aid.

SoxFan78
06-10-2004, 09:28 AM
I don't even know what to say about what that lady wrote. She bases all of her reasoning on the location of Comiskey. It amazes me that she can even put complete sentences together.

My favorite line...

This is not a sport about the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. It's about sitting in the sun and drinking a cold beer and listening for the crack of the bat and the roar of the crowd.

This is not a sport of winning and losing?? Isn't that what defines a sport?????

Baby Fisk
06-10-2004, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by SoxFan78
I don't even know what to say about what that lady wrote. She bases all of her reasoning on the location of Comiskey. It amazes me that she can even put complete sentences together.

This is not a sport of winning and losing?? Isn't that what defines a sport?????

Yeah, winning's for losers anyway. :cool:

daveeym
06-10-2004, 09:39 AM
If you click on her name it links to another article on her and she's a computer geek. Being a computer geek a girl and a cub fan explains it all. No offense to the 5% of women that actually know baseball, especially since i think they all are WSI members.

eriqjaffe
06-10-2004, 09:41 AM
It's about sitting in the sun and drinking a cold beer and listening for the crack of the bat and the roar of the crowd.

Darn right, you have to listen for the crack of the bat, because you're obviously not watching the game.

Hokiesox
06-10-2004, 09:46 AM
She may be that girl who cried behind the dugout after game 7 last season.

Doubtful, but still...it's at least plauisble.

woodenleg
06-10-2004, 09:55 AM
I love how she thinks the south side had absolutely no black population until the seventies.

Way to be culturally sensitive and aware of your adopted hometown's history!

The north siders did NOT 'stay put', either.

Wherever 'Annie Logue' is, she needs to be held accountable for her garbage. I can't stand when published authors lie and get away with it. I also can't stand when people move to our city and don't bother to learn the history.

Stop treating our hometown like a resort. It's not our fault you couldn't get a media job in New York.

If you're going to publish garbage, you should always grant people the right of reply.

PaulDrake
06-10-2004, 10:04 AM
The South Side experienced one of the most profound demographic shifts in history in the 1960s, when it went from being almost entirely white to almost entirely black. I'm getting so tired of historical inaccuracies all over this board. It serves to remind me why my career as a history teacher was so brief and unhappy. The whole city of Chicago has experienced profound demographic shifts from its very beginnings. Chicago is the quintessential American city, and as such has always been a mobile restless place where neighborhood change is a constant not an exception. The south side has had "profound demographic shifts" beginning long before the 1960's. The south side of Chicago hasn't been "almost entirely white" for a lot longer than the 1960's. In the 1960's Chicago's black population first topped one million. The south side has had a huge black population since the days of WWI. 47th street was once the epicenter of Bronzeville, rivaling Harlem in the 1920's as a center and a mecca for black business and culture. And besides, if the south side is a home to many minority groups does that make it automatically inferior to yuppified Wrigleyville?

During all this, North Siders stayed put, and North Siders stayed loyal to their team. People walk to the stadium, see good baseball, go home. The north side is no stranger to major demographic shifts. During my time in Chicago I lived in N and NW side areas, including Albany Park, Irving Park, Uptown, Edgewater and Logan Square. None of these areas remotely resembles what they were back in the day.

So the north side is stable and prosperous, flowering in the letters and arts. The south side is a black ghetto and the few Sox fans that remain are in the mold of William Ligue and his ilk. I'm the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet but this is enough to make me plenty :angry: . The lady is a dolt.

Zulkey
06-10-2004, 01:37 PM
Actually, aside from the Sox-dumping, Annie is a lovely human being. You'll notice I gave Leonard the last word.

The thing that got me upset were this weekend's Letters to the Editor in Saturday's Tribune . I still fail to understand how Cubs fans find having more butts in the seats somehow superior to being in first place.

SOXintheBURGH
06-10-2004, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Zulkey
Actually, aside from the Sox-dumping, Annie is a lovely human being. You'll notice I gave Leonard the last word.

The thing that got me upset were this weekend's Letters to the Editor in Saturday's Tribune . I still fail to understand how Cubs fans find having more butts in the seats somehow superior to being in first place.


Zulkey, thats just one of countless reasons why their "fans" are some of the worst in professional sports.

StillMissOzzie
06-10-2004, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by Zulkey
Actually, aside from the Sox-dumping, Annie is a lovely human being. You'll notice I gave Leonard the last word.

The thing that got me upset were this weekend's Letters to the Editor in Saturday's Tribune . I still fail to understand how Cubs fans find having more butts in the seats somehow superior to being in first place.


Gosh, do you think that Annie Logue ("analog" - non-digital?) is her real name?


By the way, welcome to WSI!!!

SMO
:gulp:

Zulkey
06-10-2004, 03:31 PM
Oops--having a problem linking. Anyone see this?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ericzorn/chi-0406100227jun10,1,3230832.column?coll=chi-homepagenews-utl

I liked the Cubs fan who said "THIS HAPPENS AT THE CELL, TOO!" Because that's what the point of the column is, right?

samram
06-10-2004, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Zulkey
Anyone see http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ericzorn/chi-0406100227jun10,1,3230832.column?coll=chi-homepagenews-utl ?

It's telling that he considers Cubs fans to be "knowledgeable" when they understand the ball doesn't go as far when the wind is against it as opposed to blowing with it. What great garden of genius is this where one can find such acumen?!

GoSox2K3
06-10-2004, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by Zulkey
Oops--having a problem linking. Anyone see this?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ericzorn/chi-0406100227jun10,1,3230832.column?coll=chi-homepagenews-utl

I liked the Cubs fan who said "THIS HAPPENS AT THE CELL, TOO!" Because that's what the point of the column is, right?

Interesting that Cub fans like to say that Sox fans are obsessed with the Cubs and that Cub fans couldn't care less about the Sox. Yet, in reality, when one of these stories come out, the reaction from Cub fans is often the same old anti-Sox BS. I didn't read the comments, but I can imagine it's full of the same old garbage ..."it's not a problem at The Cell because only 400 people show up there per game".

I'm taking my kids to the Sox game on Sunday, so hopefully we won't hear too many f-words. It's Kids Day - so I'm not too worried about it.

Risk
06-10-2004, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by Zulkey
Actually, aside from the Sox-dumping, Annie is a lovely human being. You'll notice I gave Leonard the last word.

The thing that got me upset were this weekend's Letters to the Editor in Saturday's Tribune . I still fail to understand how Cubs fans find having more butts in the seats somehow superior to being in first place.

Zulkey,

Not to dump on your friend, but she is the epitome of everything that members here at WSI despise. Some of her logic is beyond mind-numbing, in fact, I nearly drooled on myself when she tried to equate baseball is not about who wins, but sitting in the stands and getting toasted by either the sun or the booze. Next time, please try to find a cub fan with some actual baseball knowledge, not some transplanted yuppie poseur who doesn't know what she is talking about. The quality and reasoning she used in her article shows that she did at most, the bare minimum amount of civic research in articulating her arguments.

Contrary to popular belief, there are actually some cubs fans (albeit, very few) that have both civic and baseball knowledge about our great city. Your friend, on the other hand, did not come off as a professional journalist, rather, another martyr to the hit parade of following what seems to be "popular/hip" who might be smoking a little to much of the Wrigley ivy and pounding down keg after keg of cubbie kool aid.

Nonetheless, welcome aboard, and I for one appreciate your efforts. :D:

Risk

C-Dawg
06-10-2004, 05:28 PM
"I'm still an Indians fan. Until interleague play brings the Tribe to Wrigley, I'll make the occasional trip to Comiskey to see them. I'll see the empty seats."

Didn't they do a Cubs-Indians series one year already? Of course, as a Cubs fan she probably had never even heard of the Cubs at the time, since the whole 2003-playoff-bandwagon thing hadn't happened yet.

Dubman
06-10-2004, 08:45 PM
I'm quite happy with the first Zulkey article. If you didn't know Chicago ,or their fans, who do you think came out looking better? The mean spirited Annie or the thoughtful Leonard? It's quantity vs quality. Thank you Mr Pierce for your soothing wisdom again.

OEO Magglio
06-13-2004, 12:43 PM
This is not a sport about the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. It's about sitting in the sun and drinking a cold beer

LOL, what a stupid line. That's probably the funniest line I've ever read.

TheBull19
06-14-2004, 09:32 AM
From the Cubs fan - "Baseball is an old game played over long seasons. The average team loses more than half of its games every summer..."

F'in hilarious, gee, I thought the average team would win and lose half of their games, but what do I know. I guess that would apply for the cubs though.

"This is not a sport about the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. Its about sitting in the sun and drinking a cold beer."

Wait a minute, is she bashing the Sox or trying to prove Cubs fans are idiots and aren't really into baseball?

"I grew up in Ohio and spent my formative years following the Cleveland Indians during their forty year drought .... the Cubs, despite their Loser reputation, have never suffered anything like what the Tribe went through."

Umm, if you say so.

"But both the Cubs and the Indians teams developed lots of fans who come out for the game, no matter the outcome."

Yes, Cubs and Indians fans have always looked into the crystal ball for the score of the next days game and decided to buy tickets anyway despite the beating that the Ghost of Christmas Future forewarned them about.

"The South Side experienced one the most profound demographic shifts in history in the 1960's, when it went from being almost entirely white to almost entirely black."

Yeah, there were hardly any black people on the South Side of chicago before 1960. And that's why we Cubs fans stick to Wrigley, minorities are scary!

What a *****-*** cubs fan

RKMeibalane
06-15-2004, 01:20 PM
"I'm still an Indians fan. Until interleague play brings the Tribe to Wrigley, I'll make the occasional trip to Comiskey to see them. I'll see the empty seats."

Didn't they do a Cubs-Indians series one year already? Of course, as a Cubs fan she probably had never even heard of the Cubs at the time, since the whole 2003-playoff-bandwagon thing hadn't happened yet.
The Indians played two games at Wrigley in 1998. If this woman were really a baseball fan, she would have taken the time (all of one minute) to double-check before she made a comment like that one.

bobj4400
06-16-2004, 03:47 PM
All that needs to be said about the Flubs and their inferior league is look at the Interleague record. The AL has taken the NL out behind the woodshed. Thru yesterday's play the record has the AL in the lead 59-38. Absolute dominance.

DSpivack
06-16-2004, 04:42 PM
All that needs to be said about the Flubs and their inferior league is look at the Interleague record. The AL has taken the NL out behind the woodshed. Thru yesterday's play the record has the AL in the lead 59-38. Absolute dominance.
But with teams like the Sox in the AL and Cubs in the NL, it's no wonder the AL comes out on top!

TaylorStSox
06-16-2004, 11:22 PM
Both letters are equally ignorant and generalized.

"Sox fans work at Target." - Are you kidding me? Also, to have a whole section dedicated to "style" is asinine to any baseball fan.

You guys have already pointed out the numerous flaws in the Cubs fans explanation. I'll refrain.

Cubbiesuck13
06-17-2004, 12:14 AM
This is not a sport about the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. It's about sitting in the sun and drinking a cold beer

LOL, what a stupid line. That's probably the funniest line I've ever read.
she is harry carey incarnate