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Win1ForMe
06-07-2004, 02:30 AM
"I had him 1-2 and was going to strike him out," Koch said of the walk to Martinez.
I think my other WSI bretheren will join me in giving Billy the collective middle finger after that little dozy.

WhiteSox = Life
06-07-2004, 02:36 AM
Yeah, and I was gonna get up, walk over to the TV, and kick in the screen.

I didn't walk, so what's your excuse, Billy?

ShoelessFred
06-07-2004, 03:19 AM
"I had him 1-2 and was going to strike him out," Koch said of the walk to Martinez.

WHO YOU CRAPPIN!!!!!!!!!

voodoochile
06-07-2004, 07:28 AM
Not saying I believe Koch, but I do think it threw him off that final bit to have to walk Edgar after being up 1-2. Maybe next time he won't allow people to run wild on the bases and then he won't have to walk anyone.

DrCrawdad
06-07-2004, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by voodoochile
Not saying I believe Koch, but I do think it threw him off that final bit to have to walk Edgar after being up 1-2. Maybe next time he won't allow people to run wild on the bases and then he won't have to walk anyone.

I absolutely hate walking the bases loaded in that type of situation, where it's tied in the home team's (potentially) last at bat. It puts too much pressure on the reliever.

Koch sure made things worse by letting the players run around like a merry go round on the bases, but it was a bad decision to walk Martinez. Let Koch win or lose with Martinez.

SSN721
06-07-2004, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
I absolutely hate walking the bases loaded in that type of situation, where it's tied in the home team's (potentially) last at bat. It puts too much pressure on the reliever.

Koch sure made things worse by letting the players run around like a merry go round on the bases, but it was a bad decision to walk Martinez. Let Koch win or lose with Martinez.

I have to agree, I felt the game was pretty much lost as it is, so I would rather take the chance of him striking out Martinez, getting the infield pop-up or getting the ball in the infield with a chance to throw out at the plate. I dont know, I dont think it would have matter with what was going on, he might have walked unintentionally. I would have rather we took our chances instead of loading the bases. Oh well, it doesnt matter now. I am so depressed :whiner: :gulp: :whiner:

steff
06-07-2004, 08:59 AM
After he said "MF'er" it was clear he had gone past the point of return. The guy has mental issues. He sucks. Plain and simple he sucks. And we're screwed...

sas1974
06-07-2004, 09:14 AM
I think Ozzie made the right call to walk the bases loaded. If the pitcher can't handle the pressure then he needs to find a new line of work. After the intentional walk, I would have someone else in though(Adkins was warming). I'd make Billy do the walk of shame back to the dugout to have to face all of the guys that he just let down.

I wasn't really one of the people jumping all over him after his past meltdowns, but this is the last straw. We had two games in the bag w/ a chance to come back from the West Coast 3-2. I've seen enough. I am not sure if Shingo is the answer, but I would be willing to bet the farm that he can't be any worse.

Tekijawa
06-07-2004, 10:29 AM
Maybe he should just try walking guys now then... let's see if that works?

I might have to go tomorrow just to boo him on his walk out to the Bull Pen

DrCrawdad
06-07-2004, 10:34 AM
I read somewhere on WSI last night that Koch has a bad attitude. One thing I like about Koch is his attitude, for the most part. The guy at least spoke last night and said his opinion. In the past, IIRC, he's even said that he doesn't mind the Sox fans booing him if he's blown game(s).

All that said, Ozzie, Koch is dead. Koch is not a closer. Give the ball in the ninth to Shingo.

DrCrawdad
06-07-2004, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by sas1974
I think Ozzie made the right call to walk the bases loaded. If the pitcher can't handle the pressure then he needs to find a new line of work. After the intentional walk, I would have someone else in though(Adkins was warming). I'd make Billy do the walk of shame back to the dugout to have to face all of the guys that he just let down.

I wasn't really one of the people jumping all over him after his past meltdowns, but this is the last straw. We had two games in the bag w/ a chance to come back from the West Coast 3-2. I've seen enough. I am not sure if Shingo is the answer, but I would be willing to bet the farm that he can't be any worse.

I understand your point and largely I agree. BUT...I've seen the walk the bases loaded thing blow up way too many times.

I'd like to hear from John Dewaan (sp?) on the percentage of times that that strategy wins for the defense.

Jerko
06-07-2004, 10:44 AM
The best Koch quote was in the times: [Expletive Paul] Konerko could steal off me...

LongLiveFisk
06-07-2004, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by sas1974
I think Ozzie made the right call to walk the bases loaded. If the pitcher can't handle the pressure then he needs to find a new line of work. After the intentional walk, I would have someone else in though(Adkins was warming). I'd make Billy do the walk of shame back to the dugout to have to face all of the guys that he just let down.

I wasn't really one of the people jumping all over him after his past meltdowns, but this is the last straw. We had two games in the bag w/ a chance to come back from the West Coast 3-2. I've seen enough. I am not sure if Shingo is the answer, but I would be willing to bet the farm that he can't be any worse.

I agree with you in theory here, the problem is I very rarely see Koch get batters to hit grounders (in this case, for a DP, of course) so once he did have Martinez 1-2, he might as well have taken his chances trying for just one more strike.

DrCrawdad
06-07-2004, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Jerko
The best Koch quote was in the times: [Expletive Paul] Konerko could steal off me...

Koch & Alomar are a bad combo. But Koch probably was able to get away with ignoring runners back when he was firing 100MPH fastballs. Now though with Koch's pedestrian, smashable fastball he can't afford runners on the base let alone having them run around at will.

kittle42
06-07-2004, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Jerko
The best Koch quote was in the times: [Expletive Paul] Konerko could steal off me...

I am sick of Koch telling us how horrible he is and this team following up by saying "Billy, you're a great stand-up guy. Let's give you 20 more chances."

sas1974
06-07-2004, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by kittle42
I am sick of Koch telling us how horrible he is and this team following up by saying "Billy, you're a great stand-up guy. Let's give you 20 more chances."

I am getting sick of Koch showing us how horrible he is.

mcfish
06-07-2004, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
Koch & Alomar are a bad combo. But Koch probably was able to get away with ignoring runners back when he was firing 100MPH fastballs. Now though with Koch's pedestrian, smashable fastball he can't afford runners on the base let alone having them run around at will.

Sandy is 9/30 (9 caught stealing and 21 stolen bases) - 30%, Olivo is 6/25 (6 CS and 19 SB) - 24%. We are awful at throwing out base stealers, whomever is behind the plate. This has been a problem for weeks, and there probably isn't a solution out there for us. We just have to hope teams don't catch on, because anyone can steal at will on us.

npdempse
06-07-2004, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by mcfish
Sandy is 9/30 (9 caught stealing and 21 stolen bases) - 30%, Olivo is 6/25 (6 CS and 19 SB) - 24%. We are awful at throwing out base stealers, whomever is behind the plate. This has been a problem for weeks, and there probably isn't a solution out there for us. We just have to hope teams don't catch on, because anyone can steal at will on us.

A lot of the blame should go to the pitchers, though (and indirectly to Coop)--in particular Schoeneweis does NOTHING to keep baserunners in place. With a predictable delivery and few throws back to first, there's little a catcher can do to stop steals.

MikeKreevich
06-07-2004, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by steff
After he said "MF'er" it was clear he had gone past the point of return. The guy has mental issues. He sucks. Plain and simple he sucks. And we're screwed...
No, we're not.

mcfish
06-07-2004, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by npdempse
A lot of the blame should go to the pitchers, though (and indirectly to Coop)--in particular Schoeneweis does NOTHING to keep baserunners in place. With a predictable delivery and few throws back to first, there's little a catcher can do to stop steals.

You're right. I guess what I was trying to say is don't blame Sandy when he's doing better than Olivo in that specific stat right now - even with 4 steals on him last night.

DrCrawdad
06-07-2004, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by mcfish
Sandy is 9/30 (9 caught stealing and 21 stolen bases) - 30%, Olivo is 6/25 (6 CS and 19 SB) - 24%. We are awful at throwing out base stealers, whomever is behind the plate. This has been a problem for weeks, and there probably isn't a solution out there for us. We just have to hope teams don't catch on, because anyone can steal at will on us.

I'll take my chances with Olivo over Alomar, in spite of the stats. The blame on the steals yesterday lies primarily with Koch. As I said, in the past Koch could probably get away with ignoring the baserunners and concentrate on throwing his fastball by the hitter. Clearly Koch can't blow away hitters any longer. As a result, there is no way Koch can ignore runners.

beckett21
06-07-2004, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by mcfish
We just have to hope teams don't catch on, because anyone can steal at will on us.

Ummmm......I think the secret's out.

Incidentally Olivo has one of the better arms in the game. A lot if not all the blame has to fall to the pitchers.

beckett21
06-07-2004, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by kittle42
I am sick of Koch telling us how horrible he is and this team following up by saying "Billy, you're a great stand-up guy. Let's give you 20 more chances."

I agree 1000%. Shut up and pitch, or better yet get out of town.

alohafri
06-07-2004, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by DrCrawdad
Koch is not a closer. Give the ball in the ninth to Shingo.

Shingo! Shingo!

Next time I see Koch come into the game with less than a 6 run lead, I walk out. But let's get down to brass tacks here. Who brought him in after practically depleating our bullpen? Ozzie. Tony LaRussa's bullpen management system plain sucks! Don't use it anymore.

steff
06-07-2004, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by MikeKreevich
No, we're not.



Oh Lord, I'm so sorry...


In MY OPINION, we're screwed.

SOXSINCE'70
06-07-2004, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by sas1974
I think Ozzie made the right call to walk the bases loaded. If the pitcher can't handle the pressure then he needs to find a new line of work. After the intentional walk, I would have someone else in though(Adkins was warming). I'd make Billy do the walk of shame back to the dugout to have to face all of the guys that he just let down.

I wasn't really one of the people jumping all over him after his past meltdowns, but this is the last straw. We had two games in the bag w/ a chance to come back from the West Coast 3-2. I've seen enough. I am not sure if Shingo is the answer, but I would be willing to bet the farm that he can't be any worse.

Shingo is the answer.As a setup man.Let Marte or Mike Jackson
(who saved 20 or more for the Twinkies in' 02 and at least 30 for the '97 Tribe) have a go at it.The Belly Krotch experiment is OVAH!!!!

CubKilla
06-07-2004, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by MikeKreevich
No, we're not.

WOW!!!!! We go 1-4 on a road trip where we should have been 3-2..... could have possibly been 4-1..... and we're not screwed with a "closer" that can't get three outs (after getting the 1st batter to groundout) to end the game in the ninth? And that has nothing to do with the fact that Seattle ran roughshod all of Botch. Botch shoulders the loss in 2 of those games exclusively.

steff
06-07-2004, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by CubKilla
WOW!!!!! We go 1-4 on a road trip where we should have been 3-2..... could have possibly been 4-1..... and we're not screwed with a "closer" that can't get three outs (after getting the 1st batter to groundout) to end the game in the ninth? And that has nothing to do with the fact that Seattle ran roughshod all of Botch. Botch shoulders the loss in 2 of those games exclusively.


Killa.. you know better that to respond with common sense.. :D:

viagracat
06-07-2004, 01:36 PM
Hey, the Cubs need a closer with Borowski on the DL! I'd love to see Koch in a Cubs uniform! KW, the pitching is the biggest threat to the Sox's post-season! Trade (almost) anyone for a fifth starter and a CLOSER. Every time I see Koch on the mound I end up drinking too much, and I'm getting too old for that stuff. :gulp: