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Jjav829
06-05-2004, 04:01 PM
Maggs walked into and out of the surgery. Herm says everything is fine. Maggs could begin rehab as soon as Monday. Link (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-040605soxordonezsurgery,1,1091525.story?coll=cs-home-headlines)

The Fox announcers were talking about it and according to them, what the doctors found when they did the surgery wasn't nearly as bad as they thought it might be. The Fox announcers speculated that Maggs could return within a month.

soxwon
06-05-2004, 04:17 PM
another great day for the sox, maggs is ok we are winning, twinkies lose
everythings good on earth

StockdaleForVeep
06-05-2004, 06:23 PM
Is this a sign of faulty medical sox staff? I mean we know the history with our pitchers and torn labrums and other assorted injuries and misdiagnoses. Repeatedly the sox said nothing was wrong and tests were negative yet he was still hurting and even after more tests they couldnt find what was wrong.

Knowing our luck during the surgery someone dropped a junior mint in his wound

"prognosis negative..."

Voice of Reason
06-05-2004, 06:30 PM
I suggest we don't take everything at face value. The Sox seem to be adept at hiding the severity of injuries. It happened with Jon Rauch, we all remember what happened with Mike Sirotka. I'll take injury news from the Sox organization with a grain of salt.

kojak
06-05-2004, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep

Knowing our luck during the surgery someone dropped a junior mint in his wound

"prognosis negative..."

LMAO!!!!

They're very delicious!

kojak
06-05-2004, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by Voice of Reason
I suggest we don't take everything at face value. The Sox seem to be adept at hiding the severity of injuries. It happened with Jon Rauch, we all remember what happened with Mike Sirotka. I'll take injury news from the Sox organization with a grain of salt.

I wonder what ever happened to Mike Sirotka. Is he officially retired? He never pitched an inning for the Jays.

He was the second best .500 pitcher we ever had (after Wilbur Wood, of Coors)

mike squires
06-05-2004, 08:48 PM
I tihought Sirotka was a Cubbie. Maybe they released him?

pearso66
06-05-2004, 08:51 PM
Sirotka wasn't a factor of our staff hiding an injury. The Blue Jay's team doctor cleared him as being fine. If we were hiding something, then their doctor must not be very good.

StockdaleForVeep
06-05-2004, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by mike squires
I tihought Sirotka was a Cubbie. Maybe they released him?


I believe he's in the Cubs minors still with gary glover still

JoseCanseco6969
06-05-2004, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
I believe he's in the Cubs minors still with gary glover still

He's not on the Cubs minor league roster. I think hes out of baseball. But heres some interesting numbers from baseballreference.com

Salaries
1997 Chicago White Sox $165,000
1998 Chicago White Sox $195,000
1999 Chicago White Sox $500,000
2000 Chicago White Sox $1,400,000
2001 Toronto Blue Jays $3,000,000
2002 Toronto Blue Jays $3,800,000

$6.8 million for never playing a game! Amazing

bahn1225
06-05-2004, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by Jjav829
Maggs walked into and out of the surgery. Herm says everything is fine. Maggs could begin rehab as soon as Monday. .

Is there an address where you could send a "get well" card to Maggs and it would actually get to him?

StockdaleForVeep
06-05-2004, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by JoseCanseco6969
He's not on the Cubs minor league roster. I think hes out of baseball. But heres some interesting numbers from baseballreference.com

Salaries
1997 Chicago White Sox $165,000
1998 Chicago White Sox $195,000
1999 Chicago White Sox $500,000
2000 Chicago White Sox $1,400,000
2001 Toronto Blue Jays $3,000,000
2002 Toronto Blue Jays $3,800,000

$6.8 million for never playing a game! Amazing


Thats actually great he got paid. Injuries like that are horrible and he needs to be compensated somehow. I know the blue jays were prob pissed. Bet they were like orlando who are pissed they still need to pay grant hill.

JoseCanseco6969
06-05-2004, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
Thats actually great he got paid. Injuries like that are horrible and he needs to be compensated somehow. I know the blue jays were prob pissed. Bet they were like orlando who are pissed they still need to pay grant hill.

I dont know the specifics of Grant hill's salary but speaking of paying for nothing, i thought of our old buddy Belle.

1997 Chicago White Sox $10,000,000
1998 Chicago White Sox $10,000,000
1999 Baltimore Orioles $11,949,794
2000 Baltimore Orioles $12,868,670
2001 Baltimore Orioles $12,049,040 Never played a game!
2002 Baltimore Orioles $12,368,790 Never played a game!
2003 Baltimore Orioles $13,000,000 Never played a game!

$37,000,000 for sitting on his lazy @$$!

Anyone remember the specifics of his injury or how much Hill has gotten in injury payment?

StockdaleForVeep
06-05-2004, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by JoseCanseco6969
I dont know the specifics of Grant hill's salary but speaking of paying for nothing, i thought of our old buddy Belle.

1997 Chicago White Sox $10,000,000
1998 Chicago White Sox $10,000,000
1999 Baltimore Orioles $11,949,794
2000 Baltimore Orioles $12,868,670
2001 Baltimore Orioles $12,049,040 Never played a game!
2002 Baltimore Orioles $12,368,790 Never played a game!
2003 Baltimore Orioles $13,000,000 Never played a game!

$37,000,000 for sitting on his lazy @$$!

Anyone remember the specifics of his injury or how much Hill has gotten in injury payment?


Lazy ass? The man had a severe degenerative hip disease. He will live the rest of his life with a limp and who knows till he wont be able to walk anymore. He was one of the bests in baseball, dont discredit his name by callin him a lazy ass

Grant hill gets his full contract, orlando tried to petition the nba to let him go\not pay him since he didnt play last season or get compensation from the nba for injuries and nba told them no. I believe grant hill has a large salary since he was brought in and prophesized to bring the new dynasty with him and T-mac

JoseCanseco6969
06-05-2004, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
Lazy ass? The man had a severe degenerative hip disease. He will live the rest of his life with a limp and who knows till he wont be able to walk anymore. He was one of the bests in baseball, dont discredit his name by callin him a lazy ass

Grant hill gets his full contract, orlando tried to petition the nba to let him go\not pay him since he didnt play last season or get compensation from the nba for injuries and nba told them no. I believe grant hill has a large salary since he was brought in and prophesized to bring the new dynasty with him and T-mac

Sorry, I didnt know the seriousness of the injury. I guess the media always gave him a bum rap and that probably why I have that distorted view on him. But he will always have that cork incident like our buddy Sosa to explain, except the media still loves Shammy, not Belle.

StockdaleForVeep
06-06-2004, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by JoseCanseco6969
Sorry, I didnt know the seriousness of the injury. I guess the media always gave him a bum rap and that probably why I have that distorted view on him. But he will always have that cork incident like our buddy Sosa to explain, except the media still loves Shammy, not Belle.

I hate to defend sammy but nobody stole the bat as did the belle incident.

TornLabrum
06-06-2004, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep
I hate to defend sammy but nobody stole the bat as did the belle incident.

The barrel of the bat has never been found.

batmanZoSo
06-06-2004, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by StockdaleForVeep


I hate to defend sammy but nobody stole the bat as did the belle incident.


Originally posted by TornLabrum


The barrel of the bat has never been found.

OOOOoooooooooo.... :cool:

pearso66
06-06-2004, 10:41 AM
You never know if Sammy's bat would have been stolen. Or if anyone would have ever accused him as the White Sox did Belle. Sammy's bat exploded on the playing field allowing for someone else to pick it up and see what was in it. Belle's bat was never looked into before it was stolen.

ode to veeck
06-07-2004, 12:51 PM
Is this a sign of faulty medical sox staff? I mean we know the history with our pitchers and torn labrums and other assorted injuries and misdiagnoses. Repeatedly the sox said nothing was wrong and tests were negative yet he was still hurting and even after more tests they couldnt find what was wrong.

In a word, no, it was not a sign of faulty medical staff, as the pain was somewhat misleading and sporadic, the MRIs didn't show the medial meniscus flap tear, & even As and Angels orthopedists had trouble with the diagnosis, which wasn't finally determined until they got into his knee with the scope.

Magglio being in good shape will help, as typically the biggest recovery issue is atrophy in adjascent muscles.

Lip Man 1
06-07-2004, 01:15 PM
Two names to consider when discussing the Sox medical staff.

Cal Eldred
Mike Sirotka

Lip

ode to veeck
06-07-2004, 01:19 PM
Two names to consider when discussing the Sox medical staff.

Yeah, sure, but there's no data in the Maggio situation that points to a problem with the medical staff.

On Sirotka, didn't the Jays docs also give him a green light, which is why they had no grounds on their post trade, post re-diagnosis whinings.

ZachAL
06-07-2004, 04:34 PM
For what it's worth I just saw Magglio today at Fletcher Jones Mercedes dealership in the city and he looked good. He was walking fine and I would have never known that he had surgery if I didnt know any better. He was wearing shorts and I could not see any visible scars or swelling or redness around his knee. Im sure none of this is new news but I told him to get well soon cause we need him.

Rocky Soprano
06-07-2004, 04:36 PM
Wow, very cool. Did he say anything to you?

I would of also sneaked in a, PLEASE PLEASE re-sign with the WHITE Sox. :D:

steff
06-07-2004, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by JoseCanseco6969
speaking of paying for nothing, i thought of our old buddy Belle.

1997 Chicago White Sox $10,000,000
1998 Chicago White Sox $10,000,000
1999 Baltimore Orioles $11,949,794
2000 Baltimore Orioles $12,868,670
2001 Baltimore Orioles $12,049,040 Never played a game!
2002 Baltimore Orioles $12,368,790 Never played a game!
2003 Baltimore Orioles $13,000,000 Never played a game!

$37,000,000 for sitting on his lazy @$$!





I'd love to see you live ONE day with the pain he deals with. ONE. Just ONE!

BearSox
06-07-2004, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by Rocky Soprano
Wow, very cool. Did he say anything to you?

I would of also sneaked in a, PLEASE PLEASE re-sign with the WHITE Sox. :D:

"Drink Peksi and I'll see you at the park"

Lip Man 1
06-07-2004, 05:47 PM
Ode:

I'm not necessarily condemming the Sox medical staff but it is a fact that Ken Williams spent a great deal of his time talking to the media his first off season about the Sox medical staff. He was defending it in the wake of numberous pitching injuries. he said he was going to conduct a thorough investigation into the Sox medical practices, minor league instructors and pitching philosophies to see what was going on.

Personally I never saw of heard any results from that 'thorough investigation.' If you have please pass them along.

Cal Eldred's problem was completely misdiagnosed. Manager Gandhi himself told the media that it was just a 'strain' and that 'he'd probably only miss a start or two.'

Mike Sirotka alledged that the Sox tried to hide his injury after taking an MRI when he hurt it in his last start before the postseason. That's a serious charge.

Now you have Ordonez' confused injury situation. A strained calf goes to being a knee injury. That's a pretty big difference.

Lip

ZachAL
06-07-2004, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by Rocky Soprano
Wow, very cool. Did he say anything to you?

I would of also sneaked in a, PLEASE PLEASE re-sign with the WHITE Sox. :D:

Ha, he didnt say much, except thank you. Ive heard he doesnt speak much/is uncomfortable with english so I didnt really ask him many questions. He just said thank you. After he left I kicked myself for not asking him to please re-sign.

South Side
06-07-2004, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by ZachAL
Ha, he didnt say much, except thank you. Ive heard he doesnt speak much/is uncomfortable with english so I didnt really ask him many questions. He just said thank you. After he left I kicked myself for not asking him to please re-sign.

That's strange because I have heard he speaks fluent English.

ode to veeck
06-07-2004, 07:32 PM
Lip,

I don't know of anything either on KW's "investigations" other than we got a new pitching coach eventually, and we have a lot fewer pitchers going down these days than we did back in 00, 01, etc. And I don't really don't know enough of the Sirotka and Eldred situations to really comment further there.

However, in Magglio's case, I can't fault the docs at all here, at least based on the info made public. The pain was originally apparent in the calf and all of the pre-surgery imaging really showed nothing conclusive, either in the knee or calf. Magglio's physical impact seemed pretty minimal until last Tuesday, when it became clear he wasn't recovering & something more was going on. Prior to that all indications were he was getting around pretty good, enough so that Ozzie really intended to use him as PH.

At that point, specialists from several clubs examined him and additional tests were made, & there were still inconclusive results. They went somewhat speculatively into the knee via arthroscope on the medial meniscus as it was the most likely problem given the circumstantial data they had from Magglio on pain, discomfort, etc.

The doc who did my knee (& more major sports stars than I can count) had a reasonable guess from examining me, but really wasn't going to go in to repair my meniscus until after there was clear indications from an MRI. In my case, both the MRI and the swelling and pain coincided with the front of my medial meniscus.
My pain was actually pretty subtle and not apparent in location within the knee, & only the "after hours of tennis" knee swelling was a bother to me.

In Magglio's case the physical symptoms and scans were much less helpful, even misleading, making for a tougher diagnosis, even by a group of specialists from several teams. None of these folks had a hard diagnosis until they actually went into the knee.

You may be right about some of the other cases, but I can't see that another group of docs from different teams or expert clinics would have done much better with Magglio's knee. Actually, I thought they did pretty well on Friday going in speculatively rather than waiting for more conclusive data, which may have saved some time for the Maggs-less Sox.

StockdaleForVeep
06-07-2004, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by ode to veeck
Yeah, sure, but there's no data in the Maggio situation that points to a problem with the medical staff.

On Sirotka, didn't the Jays docs also give him a green light, which is why they had no grounds on their post trade, post re-diagnosis whinings.

Jays and the sox also green lighted david wells, who has a history of disc\back problems

Also ode, thankyou for being resident medical technician in explaining the details on the magglio surgery\results.