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soxwon
06-05-2004, 12:35 AM
do you think the big hurt will hit homer 500 next season?
he has 430, with 12 this year.
what do you project for this and next year?

RKMeibalane
06-05-2004, 12:46 AM
Let's just take it one home run at a time.

SoxFan76
06-05-2004, 12:51 AM
He's having a great year, say 45 this year. That puts him at 463. That leaves 37 more. Next year he does it.

Randar68
06-05-2004, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by soxwon
do you think the big hurt will hit homer 500 next season?
he has 430, with 12 this year.
what do you project for this and next year?

average 41 HR's this year and next? Maggs has yet to hit 40 in a season.

it's much more likely he'll hit #500 early 2006 and if healthy, end with 550-600 HR's.

CWSGuy406
06-05-2004, 01:03 AM
I was there for Frank's 400th career homer (Against Tampa Bay, IIRC). When he hits 500 the stadium is going to go nuts!

Randar68
06-05-2004, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
I was there for Frank's 400th career homer (Against Tampa Bay, IIRC). When he hits 500 the stadium is going to go nuts!

Yep, I was down the 3rd base line... electric...

Randar68
06-05-2004, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by SoxFan76
He's having a great year, say 45 this year. That puts him at 463. That leaves 37 more. Next year he does it.

Frank's not on pace right now to break 40. Although he usually get's hot in july and august, we'll see. i still think it'll be early 2006 unless he goes nuts the rest of this year and keeps the pace up next year.

personally, I'd rataher see him hit .300 both years and not get to 500 until 2006. Not being anywhere near .300 the past couple of years has hurt his legacy. A couple more .300-30-100 100 BB, 100 R seasons would put him in firist ballot despite the writers hatinig him, IMO

Railsplitter
06-05-2004, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by Randar68
A couple more .300-30-100 100 BB, 100 R seasons would put him in firist ballot despite the writers hatinig him, IMO

Ted Williams wasn't on the best of terms with sportswriters, but he made it in on the first ballot.

gosox41
06-05-2004, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by soxwon
do you think the big hurt will hit homer 500 next season?
he has 430, with 12 this year.
what do you project for this and next year?

I think he can hit it in late '05 but it might be a stretch. The bigger question is do you think he will be in a Sox uniform when he hits his 500th?

Bob

voodoochile
06-05-2004, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by gosox41
I think he can hit it in late '05 but it might be a stretch. The bigger question is do you think he will be in a Sox uniform when he hits his 500th?

Bob

If he's not, then JR and KW should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail...

SSN721
06-05-2004, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by voodoochile
If he's not, then JR and KW should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail...

I gotta second that. I know, not a very introspective post but I dont really have anything to add to that statement. :D:

SoxFan76
06-05-2004, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Randar68

personally, I'd rataher see him hit .300 both years and not get to 500 until 2006. Not being anywhere near .300 the past couple of years has hurt his legacy. A couple more .300-30-100 100 BB, 100 R seasons would put him in firist ballot despite the writers hatinig him, IMO

I agree 110% on that. Personally, I think home runs are a little overrated. BIG innings are usually due to base hits and doubles, something Frank does very well. Most of the time a big inning is capped off by a 2 or 3 run home run. BUT, unfortunately we are in a time of the long ball. Everybody wets there pants over who hits the most home runs. People can't respect Frank's freakish ability to see a baseball, not to mention hit the ball. The man is 275 pounds of muscle, yet he takes over 100 walks a year, and has been known to slap a base hit over the second baseman's head. All Sox fans know that Frank should be no doubt first ballot hall of fame, but there is a cork wiedling steroid using loser on the north side of town who kind of over shadows the big man.

jabrch
06-05-2004, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by voodoochile
If he's not, then JR and KW should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail...

VC - it isn't only up to JR - and it has little to do with KW since ultimately Frank can make the call. Frank has options for the next two seasons, right? It will be his choice if he chooses to stay with this franchise. If he gets traded that's one thing - but Frank has the option to stay for the next two years.

voodoochile
06-05-2004, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by jabrch
VC - it isn't only up to JR - and it has little to do with KW since ultimately Frank can make the call. Frank has options for the next two seasons, right? It will be his choice if he chooses to stay with this franchise. If he gets traded that's one thing - but Frank has the option to stay for the next two years.

And if Frank turns down his option than the Sox can pick up theirs for a measly $2M more than the option that Frank rejected. Anyone think Frank isn't worth $10M next year and $12M the year after that if he can put up close to 2000 numbers? Anyone? Beuhler? Beuhler?

I suppose some wiseass will now crack that $2M isn't measly, so I'll just add my comment now... "what's your point?"

kojak
06-05-2004, 07:37 PM
The only problem I have ever had with Frank is his inability to produce in the clutch. He deserted us in the 2000 playoffs.

In today's game, FOX flashed a stat right before Frank struck out on that nasty pitch in the 8th with 2 0n, 0 out that showed Frank's batting average at .156 after the 7th inning so far this year. A little shocking, but then again, not particularly surprising...

nasox
06-05-2004, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by CWSGuy406
I was there for Frank's 400th career homer (Against Tampa Bay, IIRC). When he hits 500 the stadium is going to go nuts!


Originally posted by Randar68


Yep, I was down the 3rd base line... electric...


I was there too, but unfortunately, was in the bathroom. Man o man, I was pissed that I mised it. :angry:

voodoochile
06-05-2004, 09:39 PM
One more biscuit for Hurt's breakfast and that baseball was mine. It landed about 15 rows right in front of me. Hangar was sitting across the aisle from it.

Mohoney
06-05-2004, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
Frank's not on pace right now to break 40. Although he usually get's hot in july and august, we'll see. i still think it'll be early 2006 unless he goes nuts the rest of this year and keeps the pace up next year.

personally, I'd rataher see him hit .300 both years and not get to 500 until 2006. Not being anywhere near .300 the past couple of years has hurt his legacy. A couple more .300-30-100 100 BB, 100 R seasons would put him in firist ballot despite the writers hatinig him, IMO

Being a DH will severely hamper any first-ballot hopes.

Unjust, but probably unavoidable.

pinwheels3530
06-06-2004, 01:18 AM
It shouldn't matter if he's a DH, he's the greatest hitter that has played on either side of town. Plus his bats or 100% cork free!

MRKARNO
06-06-2004, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by Mohoney
Being a DH will severely hamper any first-ballot hopes.

Unjust, but probably unavoidable.

The Case for Thomas:

1. 10th all time OBP at .429 and the second best all time for a right handed hitter behind Roger Hornsby

2. 54 all time RBI and rising quickly. Should be in the low 40's by the end of this year. 3 more productive years and he's top 20. In the top 27, all who were HOF eligible got in

3. Nearly top 30 all time in Homers. Could be top 15 all time when he's done

4. 10th all time career OPS

5. 15thish all time career slugging

6. 20th all time career walks. Should be top 10 all time

batmanZoSo
06-06-2004, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by Mohoney
Being a DH will severely hamper any first-ballot hopes.

Unjust, but probably unavoidable.

When he's done he'll be one of the greatest hitters who ever lived. He's been an absolutely dominant hitter and he's not near done. What a piss poor shame that would be.

Deadguy
06-06-2004, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by kojak
The only problem I have ever had with Frank is his inability to produce in the clutch. He deserted us in the 2000 playoffs.

So did just about everyone. I guell they're all chokers too, or maybe we just ran into three pitchers who had their A game.

In today's game, FOX flashed a stat right before Frank struck out on that nasty pitch in the 8th with 2 0n, 0 out that showed Frank's batting average at .156 after the 7th inning so far this year. A little shocking, but then again, not particularly surprising...

One thing you'll notice about Frank is that when the game is out of hand, he doesn't produce at all, which is in direct contrast to a lot of guys on this team who love to pick up RBIs in garbage time, like Konerko. Take for instance the two games where he went 3 for 4 and 4 for 5 in back to back games. His two outs in those games were in his final PAs, when the game was way out of hand, and that happens to coincide with him coming to the plate in the 7th innning or later.