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illiniwhitesox
06-01-2004, 04:23 PM
Quote from Kenny William (Tim Williams if you are Gammons.


"Remember, he is definitely a Major League pitcher in my mind," Williams added of Rauch. "He's going back to Charlotte and back into the rotation. If an opportunity presents itself for us to get better, then, yes, it's something we would explore. But we aren't in the business of giving away that sort of talent."


Come on now - let's think before we talk to the media. This is a complete 180

Tekijawa
06-01-2004, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by illiniwhitesox
Quote from Kenny William (Tim Williams if you are Gammons.


He was calling him Kevin Williams earlier this year... I don't know if Tim is getting closer or further away, atleast we're moving up the power rankings though... I don't know how the Cubs are rated #4 moving up from #5 last week when they lost 3-4 to the mighty Pirates?

Dadawg_77
06-01-2004, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by illiniwhitesox
Quote from Kenny William (Tim Williams if you are Gammons.


"Remember, he is definitely a Major League pitcher in my mind," Williams added of Rauch. "He's going back to Charlotte and back into the rotation. If an opportunity presents itself for us to get better, then, yes, it's something we would explore. But we aren't in the business of giving away that sort of talent."


Come on now - let's think before we talk to the media. This is a complete 180

I wouldn't be upset if the Sox traded Rauch. I don't know how this can be stress enough, NO MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHER HAS EVER RECOVERED FULLY FOR A TORN LIBRIUM. It is death of a pitcher. Until medical science improves, like it did with Tommy John, you can almost write off pitchers who get it.

Randar68
06-01-2004, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
I wouldn't be upset if the Sox traded Rauch. I don't know how this can be stress enough, NO MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHER HAS EVER RECOVERED FULLY FOR A TORN LIBRIUM. It is death of a pitcher. Until medical science improves, like it did with Tommy John, you can almost write off pitchers who get it.

Aaron Sele had Labrum surgery. Facts suck, don't they?

Dadawg_77
06-01-2004, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Randar68
Aaron Sele had Labrum surgery. Facts suck, don't they?

When? I know he had elbow surgery, but I don't remember him having Torn Labrum surgery. And if he did, he would be the first to come back to their former self, that is what I meant by full recovery.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2100895

Dadawg_77
06-01-2004, 04:49 PM
From ESPN article this spring

Sele missed most of September after going on the disabled list Aug. 21 with a partially torn muscle in his right shoulder, only his third time on the DL and first since 1996. After five weeks of rehabilitation, he pitched into the fifth inning of the final regular-season game, after the Angels had clinched a playoff spot.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0221/1512325.html

Nothing about Torn Labrum surgery.

kittle42
06-01-2004, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
NO MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHER HAS EVER RECOVERED FULLY FOR A TORN LIBRIUM.

This is 100% accurate. In fact, I would go so far as to say no one in the world has ever come back from a torn librium. :smile:

Randar68
06-01-2004, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
From ESPN article this spring



http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0221/1512325.html

Nothing about Torn Labrum surgery.

I thought the study done only was in relation to SLAP lesions. I was just going by the comments of the ESPN announcers the other day. In the past 2 weeks or so, I have heard several TV announcers state that the current pitcher had a torn or frayed labrum. I don't recall details, just going off memory.

There are always varying degrees of severity, and frays can sometimes not be considered as "tears" when studies like this are done.

Aaron Sele: Torn Rotator Cuff and Labrum (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/03cactus/0315closeup0315.html)

Randar68
06-01-2004, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
From ESPN article this spring



http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0221/1512325.html

Nothing about Torn Labrum surgery.


USA Today mention of Torn Labrum (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2003-01-16-injury-roundup_x.htm)